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eagle2014
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This is ridiculous.

jredallas
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Is that a requirement for the job?

UNT90
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Commitment to doing everything necessary to win. The BOR at UNT has never, EVER made that commitment. Plain and simple.

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I give their leadership a ton of credit. Hiring Larry Brown to coach at his age, when he hasn't coached college basketball since 1988, and also buying off Jankovich to be the coach-in-wating from his Illinois State head coaching gig took some major boldness and dollars to commit. I get that they have money to throw around down there because of their alumni, but the boldness part, at least for now, is really paying off.

Next year, when the AAC loses Louisville, SMU might just be one of the top 4 teams to win that league, with Cincy, Memphis, and UConn. That is incredible to type, much less believe, but it really does make you realize just how dormant their hoops program was under Doherty and the coaches before him. Shocking how much coaching actually matters, huh? (See Brown at SMU and Benford at UNT)

I'm just on sanction watch. The clock is ticking.

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Quoner Mentor

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Why, he's so old, he had a first class cabin on Noah's Ark!

He's so old, his social security card has Roman numerals on it!

He's OLD, I tells you. Old!

I don't care who you are, that's funny stuff! /puts on mustache and glasses, sprays seltzer out of bow tie

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UNT90 Newbie

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Its not like someone from this staff is going to step in and make things better. If there is not a potential improvement from getting an interim from the staff, then why bother?

Completely disagree here. You have a former head coach sitting on the staff. While all the assistants have to support Benford publicly, what they think privately may be an entirely different thing.

Things would be way different with a different head coach, even if it was an interm from this current staff.

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There where a lot of times that Rice had unguarded inside men right under the basket, but I have no idea who's fault that is in the different zones NT is attempting to play.

So nothing has changed since last year? Except the post players, of course. But it is still somehow their fault. Don't believe me, ask RV. He will tell you so.

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Anyone that watches should know that Benford is a much better coach this year. Now, that is indeed faint praise, but this team is losing primarily because they are not very good. A good guard group cannot compensate enough for a very weak front court.

After stating that Benford has significantly improved over a disastrous first year, I still think a change should be made after this year. I just don't see him ever digging out of the hole that he has made himself. I don't think the team has any confidence in him and the fan base has been all but destroyed.

There is no rationale for NT to settle for someone whose upside appears so limited. This was not rebuilding project when Benford was hired, but it definitely is now.

Yes, the financial aspect of terminating Benford will be difficult for NT, but another year of Benford is likely to be much worse.

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How much $$$ will it take? How do we raise the $$$?

I don't think an Internet fundraiser would do it, nor do I think it is necessary. The person who made this failed hire needs to raise the funds to fix it, if he hasn't already.

This is not our doing and not our responsibility.

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A good guard group cannot compensate enough for a very weak front court.

This is the main reason why Benford is not good long term, to me. As 90 said, you can blame it on the players, but when it's different players every year, where should the blame really fall? Benford is the constant through this all and as long as he's here it's hard to see us ever having the posts we need to really win significantly. Voss is doing a decent job, but he is 6'7" (listed, more like 6'6" in person) and has trouble on defense. But he's the best we have. Obviously, the production from Gaines, Coleman, and Flannigan forces Voss to play heavy minutes, and have to play the 5 often. I also have a hard time believing that Benford's other former commits would be helping out (Arthur Casimiro, Tony Nunn, and Josh Friar).

Another great point that is made on here is by CMJ. His point is that if you want to blame the individual games on players, that's cool. But the season is reflective on the coach, at least as much as the players. That's true for the season, and definitely true over the course of multiple seasons, as the roster changes.

I'm not personally calling for Benford's head ASAP, but if we keep him after this year we'll need him to replace Chris Jones, Jordan Williams, and TJ Taylor, as well as all of our current posts. As scary as replacing those first three guys is, I'm even more scared about what our front court recruiting will look like. Will we have a player over 6'7" on the roster in two years?

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Yes a good guard group can compensate for a weak front court or the lack of one. Villanova is always a good example. They normally go with 4 guards.

I don't believe our guards are good enough to be considered a good group. Decent group, but not good.

When the big dance rolls around I seem to always favor the teams that are guard heavy. They just perform better.

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Yes a good guard group can compensate for a weak front court or the lack of one. Villanova is always a good example. They normally go with 4 guards.

I don't believe our guards are good enough to be considered a good group. Decent group, but not good.

When the big dance rolls around I seem to always favor the teams that are guard heavy. They just perform better.

Especially in a single-game elimination format. Villanova had one of my favorite teams to watch in 05-06 with Allan Ray, Randy Foye, Kyle Lowry, Nardi, and a big man. 4 guard lineup that won a lot of games. Benford also coached a Marquette team a few years back that was similar. Dominic James, Wesley Matthews, and Jerel McNeal were all guards and their 4 was Lazar Hayward, who was a small forward. But those guys were exceptional guards, like you said.
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