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Your delusion would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

Eventually, one of those four teams will be in the top group. The other three will be down with SMU and UNT

You mean like USC going to Rutgers for a conference game? or BYU going to UCF? You're acting like the geographic disposition is unique to the ACC. Its not. This is all being driven by TV.

If wishes were horses... If wishes were fishes...

Basketball matters about as much as a popcorn fart with respect to realignment. Also, last I checked the ACC has won 7 of the last 16 men's NCAA tournaments and had 3 teams in the Elite 8 last year. Truck Stop 12 had nada.

THE SPHERE IS 30-ISH SCHOOLS!!! The debate is should we continue with this charade or be proactive and put something together that could benefit the rest of the left overs. I happen to think a regional direction for the rest of us will be good...both in eyeballs and costs. Especially compared to what we have now. For crying out loud, Cal is going to North Carolina for conference games. That's dumb.

The Big 12 is a superior basketball conference to the ACC. I know you're hurt they don't want you back, but them's the breaks!

B/c there are too many complications of limiting the sphere to 30-ish schools, not the least of which will be Congress and the mother of all antitrust lawsuits.

If you actually think that Louisville, NC State, VT, PITT, and GT are going to willingly commit financial seppuku to join an inferior Big 12 then there is no reasoning with you. The ACC isn't going anywhere b/c (thankfully) the commissioner isn't a total idiot. Sorry champ but them's the breaks.

Finally. Someone here gets it. The FSU/Clemson lawsuits are hilariously bad as proven out by a sitting judge in Tallahassee telling FSU to mediate with the ACC, in large part due to the fact that the grounds for the suit are beyond frivolous. FSU willingly entered into an agreement with the ACC/ESPN in 2014. They again, re-signed the deal with an extension through 2036 in 2017. Its tough to argue in contract law that you signed a deal twice and now you are suing b/c you don't like the outcome. its the equivalent of selling your house in 2008 during the financial crisis and then wanting to get all the accretive value increase in the subsequent years after selling. Its beyond stupid.

I know you're in denial that any ACC school wouldn't want to stay with Smu in the conference, but there are more $$ for them elsewhere. That's what it is all about today. You bought your way into the ACC. Schools will buy their way out of the ACC> From another article: ACC would lose schools to SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12 If/when FSU leaves, the Seminoles and Clemson would likely be SEC-bound. UNC and UVA, which both have AAU accreditation, would join the Big Ten as basketball and academic fits. The Big 12 would likely try to poach Louisville, NC State, VA Tech, Pitt, and/or GA Tech.

For now….. But why would the P2 want to share the playoff with the non P2? they don’t have to. There’s nothing in it for them. Who do they want in, an 8-4 big brand like Penn St or an 11-1 non brand like SMU.

The ACC contract appears to be iron clad. It's difficult to find a sympathetic judge when your case is basically that the contract you agreed to years ago was unfair. It appears to me that the ACC is here to stay until their present agreement runs out. I just don't think you add 3 programs if you plan to dissolve the conference as soon as possible but that's just me. In addition, besides being a UNT fan I enjoy college sports, and having the opportunity to see ACC teams play in Dallas and Big 12 in Ft. Worth works for me.

Hate to break it to you, but NT has never been able to keep pace with the top tier of teams in terms of resources or overall quality. Plus if your current competition moves up and you don't than that is moving down not staying in place. What should happen and I believe will at some point is that there will be adjustments to NIL. No one likes it except the players and their agents. Probably not for decades, but fans will eventually dictate the change. When the fans stop caring because they won't support the new nomads of sports like the teams prior to NIL; there will be changes.

You are correct. It's time for some of the minor bowls to bite the dust anyway.

Oh there's no question SMU (along with several others) are not going to be in the Power 2. The point I'm making is there will still be access to a playoff system for the Big 12 and ACC "leftovers". Same will not be true for the G5.

That's right they'll shuffle them "DOWN" In this new world, who is SMU more aligned with? Rutgers, Vandy, NW and a few others? or Ohio St, Bama, Texas, USC (I didn't want to turn this into an SMU topic but you just can't seem to accept reality...)

Yes, I am aware of all that, and remember when they were very good back in the 80's or so. But, as you said, they haven't been very great lately, and had pretty much fallen off the radar until a long-past-his-prime Pitino went there.

The Boston College/SMU's of the world will still be in the mix through access to the playoff. Obviously, there is going to be a Power 2 but what's going to eventually happen is the Big 10 and SEC will shuffle off some of their lesser performing "assets" down to the ACC and Big 12 while FSU, Clemson, Kansas, and potentially UNC move up. Rutgers, Vandy, NW, and a few others will head down. The G5 will have their own division and won't be given access to the playoff, therefore necessitating they create their own.

But I don't see this a move down....more of a "not moving up" For this to take shape, you have to assume that the "highest official classification" is going to change. It's gonna be 30-40 teams. This isn't like going FCS in the '80s. It's not even close....the entire landscape has changed. NIL, transfer portal, ESPN, media.....nothing today resembles 1988. The "highest official classification" is just a label. It's unofficially the SEC/Big 10 now...even the Big 12 is not stable...P5 is going to P2. We have to stop thinking that because an Oregon State has "always been a Power conference school" that they will continue to be one. Boston College? SMU? LOL. The math has changed. Alabama, Ohio State and Texas are so far removed from the lower P5s and G5s that snow ball is moving at warp speed down the mountain. Them along with ESPN run college football now and what they want, they will get. I don't think Ohio State really cares about Washington St.... We (current G5 plus the P5 "hanger ons") aren't going to be able to keep up with this new world... I think this proposal is a new classification...not moving down to an existing one. Just my humble opinion....

Sigh. I don't want you to take this the wrong way but this might be most ill-informed and ignorant take on the current ACC situation I've seen yet. And that's saying something. FACTS: You need a majority of schools to vote to dissolve the conference. Well, you just added three sure-fire "NO" votes in CAL, SMU, and Stanford. Now tell me. Where are you going to find the other votes needed to dissolve the conference? Duke? Nope. WF? Nope. Miami? Nope. PITT? Nope. Louisville? Nope. Georgia Tech? Nope. Syracuse? Nope. Boston College? Nope. Notre Dame? Nope. Virginia Tech? Nope. I realize you hate SMU and that the G5 split that's coming sucks but c'mon man.

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