Next 10 yrs... a hypothetical

[MeanGreenTexan]

Say we hire a coach with a great track record, and he comes in here and changes the mindset of UNT football as a place you can win.

He leaves us to take the job at Oklahoma State in 2025 after compiling a 73-47 regular-season record during his tenure here.  A sure-fire NT HOF'er.

Would you rather his record look something like this:                        Or, something like this:

SCENARIO 1 - Never a losing season					SCENARIO 2 - Feast or Famine
Year	Wins	Losses	Bowl result		Year	Wins	Losses	Bowl result
2016	6	6	L - Bahamas		2016	5	7	No Bowl
2017	8	4	L - HoD		2017	7	5	L - NM
2018	8	4	W - NM		2018	8	4	W - HoD
2019	7	5	L - Hawaii		2019	10	2	L - Music City
2020	6	6	L - Bahamas		2020	6	6	L - Arizona
2021	7	5	L - New Orleans		2021	4	8	No Bowl
2022	8	4	W - HoD		2022	5	7	No Bowl
2023	8	4	W - Independence		2023	9	3	W - Independence
2024	7	5	W - Miami Beach		2024	9	3	L - Alamo
2025	8	4	W - HoD		2025	10	2	W - Peach
Total	73	47	Bowl Record: 5-5		Total	73	47	Bowl Record: 3-4

 
What say you?

[Matt from A700]

I said the consistent winner, but if you consider a few "awful seasons" as 4-8 and 5-7, what would you call this season?

 

P.S. In 2017, no way we're losing the Heart of Dallas Bowl in our own backyard!!!

[MeanGreen13]

The first step is always building a consistent winner in your own league... Then you start to sprinkle in some wins over the big boys and that attracts even better players. finally, you start to consistently beat "better" programs. that is how it always works as far as long term elevation of a program (see TCU and UTAH for reference). 

[southsideguy]

both look good right now

[Censored by Laurie]

we'd find a way to piss on either. 

[foutsrouts]

I'll take wins in any way, shape, or form, but having spectacular seasons is the path to consistency. Beating big name teams like a Florida during a winning season would wake up the recruiting pipeline in a big way. You would think that the odds Gods would shine on us one of these days, but I guess we'll just have to wait on that one. And wait, and wait, and wait....

[MeanGreenTexan]

I said the consistent winner, but if you consider a few "awful seasons" as 4-8 and 5-7, what would you call this season?

 

P.S. In 2017, no way we're losing the Heart of Dallas Bowl in our own backyard!!!

Abysmal, catastrophic, lowest-of-the-low, bottom-of-the-barrel, ultimate suck...

4-8 is still pretty awful.  Especially if sandwiched between some 10-2 seasons at higher profile bowls than just the ones C-USA is tied to.

[casual fan]

Say we hire a coach with a great track record, and he comes in here and changes the mindset of UNT football as a place you can win.

He leaves us to take the job at Oklahoma State in 2025 after compiling a 73-47 regular-season record during his tenure here.  A sure-fire NT HOF'er.

Would you rather his record look something like this:                        Or, something like this:

SCENARIO 1 - Never a losing season					SCENARIO 2 - Feast or Famine
Year	Wins	Losses	Bowl result		Year	Wins	Losses	Bowl result
2016	6	6	L - Bahamas		2016	5	7	No Bowl
2017	8	4	L - HoD		2017	7	5	L - NM
2018	8	4	W - NM		2018	8	4	W - HoD
2019	7	5	L - Hawaii		2019	10	2	L - Music City
2020	6	6	L - Bahamas		2020	6	6	L - Arizona
2021	7	5	L - New Orleans		2021	4	8	No Bowl
2022	8	4	W - HoD		2022	5	7	No Bowl
2023	8	4	W - Independence		2023	9	3	W - Independence
2024	7	5	W - Miami Beach		2024	9	3	L - Alamo
2025	8	4	W - HoD		2025	10	2	W - Peach
Total	73	47	Bowl Record: 5-5		Total	73	47	Bowl Record: 3-4

 
What say you?

Scenario 1 would be the best pick for UNT.

In scenario 2 he would be fired in 2022 and the 9-3. 9-3, 10-2 wouldn't happen.

 Four bowls in a row followed by 2 losing season = gone.   Ask Darrell Dickey

[UNTexas]

I honestly believe we will be in the same place in ten years that we've been in the previous 10 years.

[Mean Green 93-98]

In scenario 2 he would be fired in 2022 and the 9-3. 9-3, 10-2 wouldn't happen.

 Four bowls in a row followed by 2 losing season = gone.   Ask Darrell Dickey

Assuming the recruiting has nosedived like it did toward the end for Dickey, and that the coach has alienated the entire fanbase like Dickey did, that is true.

As for the scenario, that's a very interesting question, and a very tough call.  I went for the "special" seasons accompanied by the bad, because I think that would generate far more lasting interest than the other.  But either one would be wonderful compared to what we've had since I began cheering on the Eagles in '93.

[MeanGreenHoops]

Assuming the recruiting has nosedived like it did toward the end for Dickey, and that the coach has alienated the entire fanbase like Dickey did, that is true.

As for the scenario, that's a very interesting question, and a very tough call.  I went for the "special" seasons accompanied by the bad, because I think that would generate far more lasting interest than the other.  But either one would be wonderful compared to what we've had since I began cheering on the Eagles in '93.

Agreed. And mostly because of what @Censored by Laurie said, we will hate on either but i'd rather the higher highs.

[medpilot21]

In 2024 we lose in the Alamo Bowl? Please God not to UTSA.. please..please..please.

 

GMG!!!

[Mean Green 93-98]

In 2024 we lose in the Alamo Bowl? Please God not to UTSA.. please..please..please.

 

I don't think that would be possible, unless they went to some very strange tie-ins.

[Withers940]

Give me a team that has a winning record year after year because that will make us look more attractive after this Hypothetical coach leaves for OSU. We would no longer be considered a laughing stock of college football, we would be able to out recruit the other shit heels in our state and our attendance should be very good

[NTXCoog]

I've had several debates with Tech fans during the SWC days about this.  Tech was always 1 or 2 games around .500.  Never a horrible team, but never an amazing or championship team either.  Meanwhile UH would have 1 or 2 win seasons, but also have championship and top 10 seasons. 

Yes, those 2 win seasons are horrendous, but it's all forgotten when you win that championship and knowing that you can compete with anyone.

[NT93]

I voted consistent winner, but honestly the two scenarios are very similar.  I mean, same won/loss record and 10 bowl games vs 7 bowl games.  To me feast or famine means something like a 9-4 record with a HoD bowl win one season followed by 4-8 and 2-10 (at best) seasons.  Give me 7-8 wins consistently with a 9 or 10 win season mixed in along with a 5 or 6 win season and I'd be happy.

[Got5onIt]

NT is what it is. We need to look at this thing like the service academies do. Granted, they have a certain appeal to recruits since they are military academies. However, i believe NT can compete for similar players. Bring in a similar system and look at consistently winning 6 games every year with an occasional 9-10 win season. I'd take that in a heartbeat over the last decade of crap we've been exposed too.....

[Ben Gooding]

NT is what it is. We need to look at this thing like the service academies do. Granted, they have a certain appeal to recruits since they are military academies. However, i believe NT can compete for similar players. Bring in a similar system and look at consistently winning 6 games every year with an occasional 9-10 win season. I'd take that in a heartbeat over the last decade of crap we've been exposed too.....

That system you speak of is option football. They run it because of their inabilities to recruit top tier athletes on a consistent basis, much like North Texas. It's a proven winning formula. 

[MeanGreen13]

this was the easiest poll question in the history of ever.