2024 Schedule

[DentonStang]

Looks like the SMU-UNT game is done. SMU released their 2024 conference schedule as well as OOC being 

Houston Christian, TCU, BYU

 

[MeanGreenGlory]

[El Paso Eagle]

Dear Mods, can you please move this off the UNT Football forum?

[NM Green]

I’m loving this. Ain’t gonna miss the pony. Let’s send them out with an L.

GMG

[Cr1028]

35 minutes ago, NM Green said:

I’m loving this. Ain’t gonna miss the pony. Let’s send them out with an L.

GMG

We gotta get in first to set the trend because next year they will be taking L’s like candy at Halloween.

[NT80]

3 hours ago, DentonStang said:

Looks like the SMU-UNT game is done. SMU released their 2024 conference schedule as well as OOC being 

Houston Christian, TCU, BYU

 

I see 1-11 for you next season...unless Houston Christian returns their 3rd string QB, then you're 0-fer!

[DentonStang]

9 hours ago, NT80 said:

I see 1-11 for you next season...unless Houston Christian returns their 3rd string QB, then you're 0-fer!

Hey, Virginia is awful!

[UNTLifer]

[untjim1995]

Good riddance. Enjoy your in state games in the 2025 and beyond against Houston Christian, SFA, ACU, Incarnate Word, and Tarleton. I doubt anyone will ever play you again from this great state that plays FBS now. Maybe SHSU, Texas State, or UTEP, so congrats on those wonderful matches.

[DentonStang]

32 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Good riddance. Enjoy your in state games in the 2025 and beyond against Houston Christian, SFA, ACU, Incarnate Word, and Tarleton. I doubt anyone will ever play you again from this great state that plays FBS now. Maybe SHSU, Texas State, or UTEP, so congrats on those wonderful matches.

Lol all of those teams, including UNT, would love to schedule a game with a local P3 team.  TCU doesn't have issues scheduling.

[cousin oliver]

8 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Lol all of those teams, including UNT, would love to schedule a game with a local P3 team.  TCU doesn't have issues scheduling.

It just seems like having a local team could bring you a better crowd and attendance has not been your strong suit. 

[untjim1995]

37 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

Lol all of those teams, including UNT, would love to schedule a game with a local P3 team.  TCU doesn't have issues scheduling.

Not a one of the FBS teams in a league below the AAC will ever play yall. Enjoy recruiting Texas kids to play Boston College, Syracuse, and Wake Forest...because when this thing is all done, the FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Duke, NC State, Va Tech, and UVa combo will be all gone. That GOR ain't keeping them all from leaving until 2036.

The fact is that your money bought you a spot in a great conference that is about to fall apart within 3 years. Enjoy it. I mean it. Those are gonna be some fun matchups in football and hoops. But you're gonna feel like the SWC explosion is occurring again when those teams leave to the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12.

[DentonStang]

56 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Not a one of the FBS teams in a league below the AAC will ever play yall. Enjoy recruiting Texas kids to play Boston College, Syracuse, and Wake Forest...because when this thing is all done, the FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Duke, NC State, Va Tech, and UVa combo will be all gone. That GOR ain't keeping them all from leaving until 2036.

The fact is that your money bought you a spot in a great conference that is about to fall apart within 3 years. Enjoy it. I mean it. Those are gonna be some fun matchups in football and hoops. But you're gonna feel like the SWC explosion is occurring again when those teams leave to the SEC, Big Ten, and Big 12.

It won't be 2036, but 3 years from now isn't substantially different from now. 

[GBarksdale]

On 10/31/2023 at 6:58 AM, DentonStang said:

Hey, Virginia is awful!

They are.  And they can't wait for for SMU to come on board so they're not the cellar team next year.  Same with WF, Syracuse and Pitt.

[Matt from A700]

Nothing to get worked up about people. Our nonconference schedule is booked until 2028.

[NT80]

On 10/31/2023 at 3:47 PM, DentonStang said:

Lol all of those teams, including UNT, would love to schedule a game with a local P3 team.  TCU doesn't have issues scheduling.

"Buying" your way in does not make you a P5 program.

[Mean Green 93-98]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

"Buying" your way in does not make you a P5 program.

Technically, it does.  But it does not guarantee you will be P5--or that "P5" will even exist--5 years from now.

[NT80]

1 hour ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Technically, it does.  But it does not guarantee you will be P5--or that "P5" will even exist--5 years from now.

No, not a "legit" P5 program that "earned" the invite because of superior play and fan support.  

[Mean Green 93-98]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

No, not a "legit" P5 program that "earned" the invite because of superior play and fan support.  

The same could be said for schools like Illinois, Vanderbilt, et al.  There is nothing truly legit about the P5 designation, anyway.

[DentonStang]

9 hours ago, NT80 said:

No, not a "legit" P5 program that "earned" the invite because of superior play and fan support.  

Well that's ridiculous. P5 is, and always has been, entirely about money and luck.  Most did not earn anything and perception of being a 'worthy' P5 is largely historical.  The only difference between Texas Tech and UNT is playing UT and A&M every year for 100 years.

[UNTcrazy727]

4 hours ago, DentonStang said:

Well that's ridiculous. P5 is, and always has been, entirely about money and luck.  Most did not earn anything and perception of being a 'worthy' P5 is largely historical.  The only difference between Texas Tech and UNT is playing UT and A&M every year for 100 years.

You know what he means. In the last 15 years or so, every G5 that got invited to a P5 conference "earned" it with multiple seasons of great success (conference titles, T-25 rankings, NY6 Bowls), while having a supportive fan base. There's a big difference in how TCU, Utah, Houston, UCF, and Cincy got their invites compared to SMU. 

[DentonStang]

1 hour ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

You know what he means. In the last 15 years or so, every G5 that got invited to a P5 conference "earned" it with multiple seasons of great success (conference titles, T-25 rankings, NY6 Bowls), while having a supportive fan base. There's a big difference in how TCU, Utah, Houston, UCF, and Cincy got their invites compared to SMU. 

You mean like Rutgers who joined the big 10 the year after having a losing record in the AAC?

Or Colorado joining the PAC with Utah despite not sniffing a winning record in many years? (Yes they came from B12 but still an upgrade)

Or Louisville in 2014 coming after two good seasons, only one of which was winning the American, and a whole lot of very average in the Big East before that?

[UNTcrazy727]

49 minutes ago, DentonStang said:

You mean like Rutgers who joined the big 10 the year after having a losing record in the AAC?

Or Colorado joining the PAC with Utah despite not sniffing a winning record in many years? (Yes they came from B12 but still an upgrade)

Or Louisville in 2014 coming after two good seasons, only one of which was winning the American, and a whole lot of very average in the Big East before that?

Colorado - Already a power conference team. Not sure how this is an applicable example?

Rutgers- Maybe the only decent example. But they were a member of the Big East from 1991-2012. A lot of this time the Big East was a Power Conference. And they did make a bowl game 8 of the 9 years before being invited to the Big 10. Still a dumb addition by the Big 10. They didn't need an East Coast presence. 

Louisville - Won CUSA 3 of their final 5 years (2000-2005) before moving to the Big East. During their 8 years (2005-2012) in the Big East, they won the conference 3 times. After the Big East folded, Louisville went 12-1 and finished the year ranked #15 in their only year (2013) as a member of the AAC. Between 2000-2013, they finished with a T-25 ranking 6 times.  I think most would say this is "earning" your way to a P5 conference. 

I don't know why SMU fans are so defensive about how they got a P5 invite and try to say its nothing out of the ordinary. Just own it. Not many schools have the deep pockets to buy their way into a P5 conference despite no real on-field success and a non-existent fan base.  

Edited November 3, 2023 by UNTcrazy727

[UNTLifer]

[DentonStang]

3 hours ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

Colorado - Already a power conference team. Not sure how this is an applicable example?

Rutgers- Maybe the only decent example. But they were a member of the Big East from 1991-2012. A lot of this time the Big East was a Power Conference. And they did make a bowl game 8 of the 9 years before being invited to the Big 10. Still a dumb addition by the Big 10. They didn't need an East Coast presence. 

Louisville - Won CUSA 3 of their final 5 years (2000-2005) before moving to the Big East. During their 8 years (2005-2012) in the Big East, they won the conference 3 times. After the Big East folded, Louisville went 12-1 and finished the year ranked #15 in their only year (2013) as a member of the AAC. Between 2000-2013, they finished with a T-25 ranking 6 times.  I think most would say this is "earning" your way to a P5 conference. 

I don't know why SMU fans are so defensive about how they got a P5 invite and try to say its nothing out of the ordinary. Just own it. Not many schools have the deep pockets to buy their way into a P5 conference despite no real on-field success and a non-existent fan base.  

None of us will say we "earned it" through on field results. It's not 100% accurate to say we bought our way in, as if, say, Boise offered to take no money they still aren't getting in - geography , facilities, academics, etc., but yeah it's totally about the money.

That's the thing, the fantasy that conference upgrades are about performance is limiting you and the rest of the G5.  It's like saying your company's CEO is the boss purely through merit. It's not. He can't be a buffoon, but you can't ignore that he got his degree from SMU with the son of the company founder. He had connections.  There is more than one path and it isn't about meritocracy.