Another Fatal Attack on Free Speech, Copenhagen

[FirefightnRick]

"Shooters Open Fire, Hit Three Police in Attack on Cartoonist Who Drew Muhammad as a Dog"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/14/danish-paper-shooters-open-fire-hit-three-police-in-possible-terror-attack/?utm_source=TheBlaze.com&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=story&utm_content=danish-paper-shooters-open-fire-hit-three-police-in-possible-terror-attack&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Rick

[KingDL1]

I would figure this crap is going to come to a head in the near future.

[MeanGreen13]

there's free speech, and there's hateful speech. It's still free but to depict someone that a billion people around the world hold in high esteem as a dog is definitely pushing it. I am not condoning violence but it is inevitable given the general human propensity for incredible acts of self-destruction. The framing of these attacks as attacks on free speech is at the detriment of the integrity of the idea of free speech. Where is the line crossed as far as what can be said freely? Doesn't our constitution say something about freedom for all until your behavior infringes on the rights and freedoms of others. religious persecution is real and Muslims in the west experience it just as much as other religions in the middle east. I cannot in good conscience defend drawing Muhammad as a dog anymore than I can defend the plethora of offensive depictions of Christ, Buddha, or any other religious symbol. It's incredibly egotistical to think that you have the right to blatantly disrespect the epistemology of so many people and no consequences will befall you; almost as egotistical as thinking that you have the right to kill those who offend you. There are 2 sides to the story and they both have their merits. But the idea that this is about free speech is a bit off the mark. This is about a senseless act of violence and a blatant showing of narcissism on both sides. I hope the deceased rests in peace and there is justice for this senseless crime.

[Mean Green 93-98]

The thing is, publications such as Charlie Hebdo have portrayed Christ blasphemously. . . . But you don't find large numbers of Christian preachers calling for violence as the proper response, or Christians shooting up magazine offices as their means of defending their faith.

[KRAM1]

The thing is, publications such as Charlie Hebdo have portrayed Christ blasphemously. . . . But you don't find large numbers of Christian preachers calling for violence as the proper response, or Christians shooting up magazine offices as their means of defending their faith.

This.

[Mean Green 93-98]

And, as we speak, here's more from the "religion of peace":

Islamic State released a video on Sunday purporting to show the militant group beheading 21 Egyptian Christians kidnapped in Libya.

In the video, militants in black marched the captives, dressed in orange jump suits, to a beach. They were forced down onto their knees, then beheaded. . . .

Before the killings, one of the militants stood with a knife in his hand and said: "Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for."

http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-releases-video-purporting-show-killing-21-192518248.html

[UNT90]

Apparently our president doesn't understand that the crusades happened 1000 years ago. Or he just hates prayer breakfast.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yoY0MQBSmsI

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

Generally low education levels and poverty + religion = religious fanaticism and violence regardless of which religion it is. Some seem to forget there are groups in Africa portraying themselves as "true Christians" and killing their own people in the name of religion.

[meangreendork]

Generally low education levels and poverty + religion = religious fanaticism and violence regardless of which religion it is. Some seem to forget there are groups in Africa portraying themselves as "true Christians" and killing their own people in the name of religion.

Generally, low education levels and poverty are a breeding ground for just about anything that puts a power system in place. In some places, it's religious fanaticism and in others, it's drug related crime. It all still boils down to humanity basically eating itself over money and/or power.

Edited February 15, 2015 by meangreendork

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

Generally, low education levels and poverty are a breeding ground for just about anything that puts a power system in place. In some places, it's religious fanaticism and in others, it's drug related crime. It all still boils down to humanity basically eating itself over money and/or power.

Very true, it doesn't have to be religion. But it is easier to point at one particular religion and say "there, thats the problem," and not dig any deeper than that. Especially when that particular religion is foreign to you.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Generally low education levels and poverty + religion = religious fanaticism and violence regardless of which religion it is. Some seem to forget there are groups in Africa portraying themselves as "true Christians" and killing their own people in the name of religion.

You might want to look at the background of the 9/11 hijackers. Several of them came from wealth, or at least what we would consider middle-class, and almost all of them had college educations.

As for these groups in Africa. . . . Tell us more about how they are as bad as Boko Haram, or how they have killed comparable numbers of people to the numbers of professed Christians that Omar al-Bashir has killed.

[UNT90]

Generally low education levels and poverty + religion = religious fanaticism and violence regardless of which religion it is. Some seem to forget there are groups in Africa portraying themselves as "true Christians" and killing their own people in the name of religion.

Except for pretty much every other poor Christian area except the one you mention. Central and S. America come immediately to mind.

Edited February 16, 2015 by UNT90

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

Islam is part of the equation, no doubt. But you can't simplify it to one circumstance causing the unrest going on over there. Political unrest in the area caused by poverty and their government systems in general are big factors as well. My point is that it does happen in Christianity, when Christianity is mixed with other circumstances in certain areas. Central and South America have been Catholic since the colonial days and are not "new" to Christianity like Africa is. They are also not bordered by a heavily Islamic population like Africa and the Middle-east. Africa is different than South and Central American in a lot of ways. Like I said all part of the equation. It's important to look at a totality of circumstances to try to figure out what's going on over there empirically and not just pinpoint one factor.

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

http://news.yahoo.com/copenhagen-police-shoot-kill-man-shot-them-051757486.html

The suspected gunman killed by police after shooting attacks against a free speech event and outside a Copenhagen synagogue was 22 years old and had a background in criminal gangs, police said Sunday.The suspect was born in Denmark and had a criminal record, including violence and weapons offenses, Copenhagen police said in a statement. They didn't release his name.

[Quoner]

"Enjoyed" is definitely the wrong word here, but this article was incredibly interesting/horrifying/depressing: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[FirefightnRick]

"Will Obama tell the Danes to get off their high horse about Islamic shootings given the misconduct of their ancient Viking ancestors?"

-Dinesh D'Souza

LOL

Rick

Edited February 16, 2015 by FirefightnRick

[UNTDoubleAlum]

You might want to look at the background of the 9/11 hijackers. Several of them came from wealth, or at least what we would consider middle-class, and almost all of them had college educations.

You're both right, however, the causes of terrorism differ even among similar kinds of terrorism in similar types of situations. Homegrown terrorism is both an issue for the US and Europe. Both of these regions/countries have relatively similar democratic institutions and cultural characteristics, but poverty and perceived marginalization plays a much bigger role in radicalization in Europe than it does in the US. Homegrown terrorists who either grew up in the United States have revealed that they are more often motivated by a perceived act of wrongdoing.

Because of disparate nature of terrorism as a phenomenon, it's usually more useful to look at "what factors can create an environment for terrorism to thrive in" as opposed to looking for direct causes.

Edited February 16, 2015 by UNTDoubleAlum

[FirefightnRick]

"Egyptian planes pound ISIS in Libya in revenge for mass beheadings of Christians"

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/16/egypt-hits-isis-affiliated-terrorists-in-libya-after-video-showing-mass/

The Egyptian president doesn't play golf I suppose?

Rick

[All About UNT]

"Egyptian planes pound ISIS in Libya in revenge for mass beheadings of Christians"

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/16/egypt-hits-isis-affiliated-terrorists-in-libya-after-video-showing-mass/

The Egyptian president doesn't play golf I suppose?

Rick

Cause we aren't bombing ISIS on a daily basis? Good try Rick. Must be because Obama is a Mooslim

[FirefightnRick]

Cause we aren't bombing ISIS on a daily basis? Good try Rick. Must be because Obama is a Mooslim

You do realize this was an immediate, definitive response by Egypt 24 hours after the video of the 21 beheadings was made available? Not weeks after?

After the video of the Jordanian pilot being burned to death surfaced the Jordan president, visibly upset vowed revenge, and then had two Isis prisoners hung.

What did our guy do after being notified of Benghazi? He went back to sleep then sent out his loyalist to lie about it and fabricate some story about a video as the cause.

Rick

[All About UNT]

That's because we have checks and balances and not a military dictatorship or a monarchy. Open a book dude. Where were we supposed to drop bombs after Benghazi? Isis has a definitive boundary and infrastructure to bomb. The guys at Benghazi didn't

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

That's because we have checks and balances and not a military dictatorship or a monarchy. Open a book dude. Where were we supposed to drop bombs after Benghazi? Isis has a definitive boundary and infrastructure to bomb. The guys at Benghazi didn't

He should just use his executory power and go around congress, that's what they want right?

[Army of Dad]

He should just use his executory power and go around congress, that's what they want right?

That's never stopped him before.

Or since really.

[FirefightnRick]

That's because we have checks and balances and not a military dictatorship or a monarchy. Open a book dude. Where were we supposed to drop bombs after Benghazi? Isis has a definitive boundary and infrastructure to bomb. The guys at Benghazi didn't

Funny,... this Ststement a day after the guy nationalizes the Internet.

So going back to Benghazi, tell me cause I haven't kept up with it. is the U.S. citizen that was the scapegoat for the lie your guy drummed up about the mythical video...is that poor bastard still in jail or did they let him out?

Rick

Edited February 28, 2015 by FirefightnRick

[ChristopherRyanWilkes]

Funny,... this Ststement a day after the guy nationalizes the Internet.

So going back to Benghazi, tell me cause I haven't kept up with it. is the U.S. citizen that was the scapegoat for the lie your guy drummed up about the mythical video...is that poor bastard still in jail or did they let him out?

Rick

Nationalize the internet? You're all rhetoric and no substance, huh?