Texas State at UTSA.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

13 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

It's John.  Nothing hidden.

Ok, John. 

[All About UNT]

44 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

It's John.  Nothing hidden.

You are Tom now.

[untjim1995]

1 hour ago, meangreenbob said:

Back in the 70’s I would drive up many times from South Oak Cliff after work on a Friday night to attend a North Texas pep rally. Fry would be on a about 1 foot high small wooden platform on the south side of Kerr Hall encouraging the 80 or so fans to support the team at Saturdays game. This was at a time when many students were pushing to abolish the football program. I would drive up again Saturday for the game by myself because I couldn’t get anyone to go. Same for basketball. Fry is the best Coach this University has ever had bar none and the Administration would not support him. Not at all. He left and is now in the College Hall of Fame  

Dr. Hurley a great academic President allowed the school to drop to 1aa football. Many on this board recognize and claim this as the most damaging move the Administration could have ever made and point to this failure as the reason for our lack of real success to this present day. 

Helwig banning tailgating and changing our school colors, adding blue and orange. 

The Dodge hire and allowing him to bring his high school defensive coordinator and coaches. Enough said. 

Trilli, Benford. Enough said  

Allowing Rick Villarreal to stick around for 15 years. Enough said  

Instead or hiring a young, vibrant enthusiastic head coach we hire an aged coach clearly on his way out, McCarney,  and pay a 1.3 million buyout. Or was it 2.3? 

We next hire an unproven head coach in Littrell allowing him to learn on the job, get hoodwinked in contract negotiations because of our lack of knowledge and understanding and then can not fire him at a crucial time for the program because of the huge buyout we agreed to.

I’m on this board because I fell in love with NORTH TEXAS the first time I laid eyes on it in the Fall of 1969. I’ve listed a few  of the foolish and damaging decisions this Administration has made over the years that has stymied the success of our programs. I’m sure there are more. 

You can label me a fatalist if you want, that’s fine, but actually I’m a realist and believe it or not an optimist. I can put on the green glasses and I have at times. 

 I love this school more than any employee ever will. Most on this board do. But if we want this program to excel beyond our wildest dreams then all of us need to take off the green glasses, see and tell the truth and hold those making huge salaries accountable for failure by not being timid or afraid to speak out and tell it like it is. 

 

I started following the program in 1990 when I came for a visit and then chose it  in 1991. I had admittance at UT and TCU, but UNT offered a huge scholarship and I was the first in my family to graduate.

When I graduated in 1995, I was certain that we were finally going to make our way upward to being a legit program to be proud of. Helwig was the AD, Simon and Jankovich were the head coaches when I graduated and just thought we were going to make things happen. But I quickly found out that nobody in Denton or that had UNT degrees really gave two craps about our athletic program. When your circle of friends are Longhorns, Aggies, Red Raiders, Sooners, Horned Frogs, and Bears, it got to be really frustrating 

Those fans on here that do care, for whatever reason, find out that nobody in the state that has played football before 2010 in the FBS cares to be associated with us, which also causes frustration. It just gets to be embarrassing. And with no school spirit at all to embrace, alums that somehow graduated and still care just get looked down at by our OWN alumni, much less other schools. One of the most embarrassing moments I ever had was being at a neighborhood party by in 2007, as OU annihilated us 79-10 in Dodge’s first game and a buddy said that if we all had to play UNT in a Marching Band Contest, we’d get our asses kicked like y’all do in sports. It has never gone away, as that moment just gets relived over and over, for the most part. 
 
What I’ve learned to do is just enjoy the rare winning season that rolls around and take it all in. We have two bowl wins and they were amazing. The NIT Championship was really neat, but nobody really cares, if we are being honest. We have absolutely no media interest or care, which follows the sad reality of what Denton has festered for so long. I’ve got a son who is a senior in HS and when it came time for him to apply to colleges, he applied to TCU and Oklahoma State. I asked him why not UNT? And his answer was simple: I like sports and they don’t care. If a 17 year old knows that, what do you think those in their 30’s and forward think? It’s just an unending cycle that gets worse as we watch teams like UTSA surpass almost everything we have ever accomplished in a fraction of the time. And if Texas State keeps improving, we are gonna then start wondering when Sam Houston will surpass us. It’s just a really tough reality to face, year after year.

[Mike Jackson]

4 hours ago, UNTcrazy727 said:

Green tinted glasses? I'm looking at it through UTSA glasses. Losing to a new Big 12 team that a lot of people don't think will make a bowl game is a bad loss for a G5 team expected to compete for a NY6 Bowl. 

Expecting them to make a NY6 bowl is way too optimistic.  Again, after one game we don't have enough information for accurate projection of what these teams will be.   It took 3 OT for them to beat Houston last year so a 3 point loss to them this year shouldn't drastically change expectations for either team.  

[UNTLifer]

16 minutes ago, All About UNT said:

You are Tom now.

Okay, Richard

[NorthTexasWeLove]

11 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I started following the program in 1990 when I came for a visit and then chose it  in 1991. I had admittance at UT and TCU, but UNT offered a huge scholarship and I was the first in my family to graduate.

When I graduated in 1995, I was certain that we were finally going to make our way upward to being a legit program to be proud of. Helwig was the AD, Simon and Jankovich were the head coaches when I graduated and just thought we were going to make things happen. But I quickly found out that nobody in Denton or that had UNT degrees really gave two craps about our athletic program. When your circle of friends are Longhorns, Aggies, Red Raiders, Sooners, Horned Frogs, and Bears, it got to be really frustrating 

Those fans on here that do care, for whatever reason, find out that nobody in the state that has played football before 2010 in the FBS cares to be associated with us, which also causes frustration. It just gets to be embarrassing. And with no school spirit at all to embrace, alums that somehow graduated and still care just get looked down at by our OWN alumni, much less other schools. One of the most embarrassing moments I ever had was being at a neighborhood party by in 2007, as OU annihilated us 79-10 in Dodge’s first game and a buddy said that if we all had to play UNT in a Marching Band Contest, we’d get our asses kicked like y’all do in sports. It has never gone away, as that moment just gets relived over and over, for the most part. 
 
What I’ve learned to do is just enjoy the rare winning season that rolls around and take it all in. We have two bowl wins and they were amazing. The NIT Championship was really neat, but nobody really cares, if we are being honest. We have absolutely no media interest or care, which follows the sad reality of what Denton has festered for so long. I’ve got a son who is a senior in HS and when it came time for him to apply to colleges, he applied to TCU and Oklahoma State. I asked him why not UNT? And his answer was simple: I like sports and they don’t care. If a 17 year old knows that, what do you think those in their 30’s and forward think? It’s just an unending cycle that gets worse as we watch teams like UTSA surpass almost everything we have ever accomplished in a fraction of the time. And if Texas State keeps improving, we are gonna then start wondering when Sam Houston will surpass us. It’s just a really tough reality to face, year after year.

I largely agree with what you're saying. 

However, our NIT semi-final game has 886k viewers (an increase from last year's semis). The NIT Championship Game had 370k viewers (a significant decrease from last year's). 1.256M viwers on our basketball product and our university as we excelled. So, some people cared and clearly tuned in. We would only have to play 15 football games on ESPNU vs a P5 opponent to reach our 2 NIT basketball final 4 viewership. 

And I get it, we were the only product on or close to the only product on and our vs Cal game we were up agaist ESPN and FOX. But, viewership is viewership. 

[Mike Jackson]

5 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

I asked him why not UNT? And his answer was simple: I like sports and they don’t care.

Did you have a response to that to refute that assessment?   Does anyone else on this board have something to say when friends and family voice that negative opinion?  And let’s replace “sports” with football.  Because I believe they do care about everything but football.  Chiefly because they think they compete cheaply.  Low risk, low reward should be the athletic department’s motto.

It seems to me the average fan on this board cares about winning 5 times more than administration or the  largest donors to the program.  I don't care how much I may like a coach personally this program can afford to keep any underperforming coach to long.  They didn’t afford that opportunity to Dickey.  Even though he had a heart attack, lost his presumptive starting QB, they didn’t wait to pull the trigger once he started losing.   

[Cr1028]

2 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

You beat that drum a lot. That is bullshit. 

But for the sake of entertaining your stupid argument... People only pull the fire alarm when there's a fire. People only call 911 when there's a crime. 

So you are saying you are the canary to our coal mine?

[El Paso Eagle]

5 hours ago, YNWA2017 said:

Texas State has only been playing FBS football for 10 years. After beating Baylor, they are probably on track to their first bowl game ever. I bet Texas State actually has some dedicated fans and there's hype around the program now. Apparently they have two D2 national titles from the 80s. And with it being UTSA's first home game, I'm sure it will be a big crowd. 

Their efforts at growing their school and athletic programs are not that different to ours.

[untphd]

1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:

Okay, Richard

I am still laughing, at what you did there.

[VideoEagle]

5 hours ago, YNWA2017 said:

Texas State has only been playing FBS football for 10 years.

You realize UTSA also started playing FBS ball at the same time. They both became FBS schools when they were admitted to the WAC. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

53 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

Did you have a response to that to refute that assessment?   Does anyone else on this board have something to say when friends and family voice that negative opinion?  And let’s replace “sports” with football.  Because I believe they do care about everything but football.  Chiefly because they think they compete cheaply.  Low risk, low reward should be the athletic department’s motto.

It seems to me the average fan on this board cares about winning 5 times more than administration or the  largest donors to the program.  I don't care how much I may like a coach personally this program can afford to keep any underperforming coach to long.  They didn’t afford that opportunity to Dickey.  Even though he had a heart attack, lost his presumptive starting QB, they didn’t wait to pull the trigger once he started losing.   

Dickey was fired because he hurt RV's feelings. 

[YNWA2017]

1 hour ago, VideoEagle said:

You realize UTSA also started playing FBS ball at the same time. They both became FBS schools when they were admitted to the WAC. 

Yeah I know. I did kind of forget/ didn't think about UTSA though. I just focused on Texas State because they've been bad and I assume their fans are eager to jump on the wagon too. 

[DentonLurker]

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Dickey was fired because he hurt RV's feelings.

Riiiiiiightt......... We just fired a coach with a better record at UNT than Dickey.

[UNTcrazy727]

1 hour ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Dickey was fired because he hurt RV's feelings. 

And the small fact he went 5-18 his last 2 seasons. 

[RBP79]

1 hour ago, DentonLurker said:

Riiiiiiightt......... We just fired a coach with a better record at UNT than Dickey.

At least DD won a bowl game while HC at NT.

Edited September 7, 2023 by RBP79

[Mike Jackson]

3 hours ago, DentonLurker said:

Riiiiiiightt......... We just fired a coach with a better record at UNT than Dickey.

What did that coach record get us?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
 

 

 

 

 

All the white space is not a typo, it is a picture of the Seth Littrell Mean Green Trophy case.   That worse record coach you speak of has 4 Conference Championships and a bowl win.  Back then the ONLY way we could get a bowl invite guaranteed was winning the conference. I wonder how the fund raising goes for Apogee/DATCU if he doesn’t show that this program can win?  

Edited September 8, 2023 by Mike Jackson

[DentonLurker]

32 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

At least DD won a bowl game while HC at NT.

26 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

What did that coach record get us?

I’m not defending SL. Just saying DD didn’t get fired because he “hurt RV’s feelings.” At the end of the day, that train had fallen off the tracks.

[emmitt01]

23 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

What did that coach record get us?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
 

 

 

 

 

All the white space is not a typo is a picture of the Seth Littrell Mean Green Trophy case.   That worse record coach you speak of has 4 Conference Championships and a bowl win.  Back then the ONLY way we could get a bowl invite guaranteed was winning the conference. I wonder how the fund raising goes for Apogee/DATCU if he doesn’t show that this program can win?  

Careful, you’ll draw out the following Pavlovian responses:

- The Sun Belt was made up of 2A high schools

- Dickey said “mf’ers” once

- We wore black jerseys from Academy once

What will be conveniently omitted from the comparisons between Dickey and any of his successors will be the facilities he recruited to and played in, the coaching staff salaries he had to work with, the athletic budget we had at the time, or the pesky fact that NOBODY in any league was winning 27 straight conference games.  
 

To prove how serious we were about moving on from the horrors of Dickey…we hired Todd Dodge and let him go 6-37 over four years.

[Mike Jackson]

1 hour ago, emmitt01 said:

- The Sun Belt was made up of 2A high schools

- Dickey said “mf’ers” once

- We wore black jerseys from Academy once

Nothing makes me laugh more than this.  I am not sure people who are stuck on these things deserve a winning football program.   I think if God himself told me you are AD and have power to do anything you want to but you will never win a bowl game or conference title I would be tempted to hire Dickey just to troll the “get off my lawn” fans.  🤣🤣

[GMG_Dallas]

Frank Harris has gone to the locker room due to injury.

[golfingomez]

1 minute ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Frank Harris has gone to the locker room due to injury.

And one of their o lineman is about to get Carter off as well .

 

Texas St has a very good chance to win this game

Edited September 9, 2023 by golfingomez

[GMG_Dallas]

UTSA's right tackle goes down. 

[GMG_Dallas]

1 minute ago, golfingomez said:

And one of their o lineman is about to get Carter off as well .

 

Texas St has a very good chance to win this game

Yup. Feel bad for UTSA.

[Udomann]

1 minute ago, golfingomez said:

And one of their o lineman is about to get Carter off as well .

 

Texas St has a very good chance to win this game

UTSA was looking like the better team, but these are huge game changers. Love to see them lose, but hate to see it happen this way