SOC LB Jones Commits to ULM

[TheReal_jayD]

This was coming for a while. Before we start yelling at the kid for not following through with his commitment. North Texas pulled his offer after his OV. 

[NT80]

5 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

This was coming for a while. Before we start yelling at the kid for not following through with his commitment. North Texas pulled his offer after his OV. 

Well, something happened to him if we pulled his offer and he sank to ULM level.  Grades?  

I would just prefer we find a JUCO LB in the portal and forget about high school kids.  Too much risk to see if they adapt to college and then risk theft from P5s for them.  

Edited November 1, 2023 by NT80

[GMG_Dallas]

@TheReal_jayD Do you know why the offer was pulled? The 247 shows 22 offers but I wonder how many are no longer valid.

[GMG_Dallas]

2 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Lol.  Well, something happened to him if we pulled his offer and he sank to ULM level.  Grades?  

I would just prefer we find a JUCO LB in the portal and forget about high school kids.  Too much risk to see if they adapt to college and then risk theft from P5s for them.  

You'd prefer a JUCO LB? Maybe Raveon Hoston and William Johnson will finally make it to campus.

[TheReal_jayD]

42 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

@TheReal_jayD Do you know why the offer was pulled? The 247 shows 22 offers but I wonder how many are no longer valid.

I doubt any if he choose ULM

[All About UNT]

54 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

You'd prefer a JUCO LB? Maybe Raveon Hoston and William Johnson will finally make it to campus.

EJ Ejiya 

Josh Wheeler

Jalen Guyton

Kemon Hall

Saia Mose

DeAndre Torrey

Darrian McMillan 

While not all are LB... all worked out really well for us.

[GMG_Dallas]

10 minutes ago, All About UNT said:

EJ Ejiya 

Josh Wheeler

Jalen Guyton

Kemon Hall

Saia Mose

DeAndre Torrey

Darrian McMillan 

While not all are LB... all worked out really well for us.

They sure did and plenty of HS players have worked out as well. Just pointing out how silly the reaction is to move on from high schoolers because some decommit before national signing day.

[NT80]

1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

They sure did and plenty of HS players have worked out as well. Just pointing out how silly the reaction is to move on from high schoolers because some decommit before national signing day.

JUCOs or Portal transfers are acclimated to college and the college game speed.  They have been on their own, away from mom, to deal with classes and time management, etc, all things freshman struggle with.  Portal transfers in to us cannot transfer via the portal away from us like a HS recruit can.  JUCOs and portal transfers are more mature and better adapted to adjust...QB Rogers is a great example.

Edited October 31, 2023 by NT80

[Side.Show.Joe]

2 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

This was coming for a while. Before we start yelling at the kid for not following through with his commitment. North Texas pulled his offer after his OV. 

At a time when many on here are very unhappy about how our defense is preforming and being mismanaged, this is unwelcomed news. Coach O and coach Caponi (or whoever will be running the defense next season) needs to go out and find a legit impact player to replace this loss. Portal, juco, high school.... I don't care. We need immediate help on the defensive side of the ball.

[MeanGreen22]

7 minutes ago, Side.Show.Joe said:

At a time when many on here are very unhappy about how our defense is preforming and being mismanaged, this is unwelcomed news. Coach O and coach Caponi (or whoever will be running the defense next season) needs to go out and find a legit impact player to replace this loss. Portal, juco, high school.... I don't care. We need immediate help on the defensive side of the ball.

Is it really a loss when we pulled the offer and his next best choice is ULM? Feels more like a “we made space for someone else” situation rather than a “loss”. 

[UNTLifer]

In tracking stats this year, he hasn't seemed near as productive as in years past.  As noted above, we pulled his offer after his OV, so something happened.  I trust our coach's decision and wish him well.

[Side.Show.Joe]

27 minutes ago, MeanGreen22 said:

Is it really a loss when we pulled the offer and his next best choice is ULM? Feels more like a “we made space for someone else” situation rather than a “loss”. 

I really want to agree with you, but since we took Chandler Rogers from ULM, I can't knock the level of talent ULM has been able to lure. And to be honest, like every other defense in the FBS, ULM's defense is better than ours. I don't feel like we are in a position to turn our nose up at the talent any other defense wants to recruit.

[jtm0097]

If the offer was pulled after a visit, that's a huge red flag. It seems the team is buying into this new staff. We don't want to ruin it with character issues. Good on the staff if that's the case. 

[Venson]

I feel better after knowing we pulled his offer vs he left. I was thinking he got a look at Caponi's trash defense and said I can do better and develop somewhere else even if it's ULM because this trash they are rolling out is not going to get me better.

[GMG_Dallas]

4 hours ago, NT80 said:

JUCOs or Portal transfers are acclimated to college and the college game speed.  They have been on their own, away from mom, to deal with classes and time management, etc, all things freshman struggle with.  Portal transfers in to us cannot transfer via the portal away from us like a HS recruit can.  JUCOs and portal transfers are more mature and better adapted to adjust...QB Rogers is a great example.

I see your Rogers and raise you a Mason Fine.

And about the whole "transfers in to us cannot transfer via the portal away" deal, we are Rogers 4th school. I know there's new transfer portal rules but there's always new rules and exceptions to those rules. Get the best players you can get and worry about keeping them later.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

Wasn't this supposed to be the crown jewel? I'm confused. 

[NT80]

4 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I see your Rogers and raise you a Mason Fine.

And about the whole "transfers in to us cannot transfer via the portal away" deal, we are Rogers 4th school. I know there's new transfer portal rules but there's always new rules and exceptions to those rules. Get the best players you can get and worry about keeping them later.

The Murphy twins say “hi” to you from UCLA. 

[GMG_Dallas]

29 minutes ago, NT80 said:

The Murphy twins say “hi” to you from UCLA. 

Burns, Ward, Ragsdale, Rod Brown, Patrick Smith, Loronzo Thompson, Kevin Wood, Adaway, Isaiah Johnson, Nwaiwu, Duncan, Blair, and others making up at least half of our 2 deep say "hi" back.

Yeah, we lose players to the portal like other schools. How many key contributors do we actually lose on a yearly basis who leave prior to graduation? Very few.

Edited November 1, 2023 by GMG_Dallas

[UNT Family Man]

8 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Wasn't this supposed to be the crown jewel? I'm confused. 

No- Demps was. And he left for K-State.

[MGNation92]

I'm fine with this. Undersized linebacker at 5'10 170 that probably benefitted statistically from playing on all time great SOC teams.

Get a guy who can come in and produce next year. That's where the need is. Some developmental guys are still important but we need immediate impact at all three levels of the defense, especially the front 6/7.

[TheReal_jayD]

4 hours ago, UNT Family Man said:

No- Demps was. And he left for K-State.

  WR is one position I am not worried about in the least.

[TheReal_jayD]

17 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

They sure did and plenty of HS players have worked out as well. Just pointing out how silly the reaction is to move on from high schoolers because some decommit before national signing day.

I don't think they are moving away. But I think in todays age you have to be balanced. You have to use all avenues in roster building. Last staff was too HS dependent. This staff started that way.. but I think that has changed in quick amount of time

[Danish43]

20 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

You'd prefer a JUCO LB? Maybe Raveon Hoston and William Johnson will finally make it to campus.

Let's get Raveon a try.

[keith]

22 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

This was coming for a while. Before we start yelling at the kid for not following through with his commitment. North Texas pulled his offer after his OV. 

It seems there can be multiple ways to interpret what "pulled his offer after his OV" means.

Perhaps it doesn't matter, but for clarity, was it pulled immediately after or at the end of his OV maybe as a result of something discovered or that happened during the OV or was there some amount of time (days, weeks, months) after his OV that the offer was pulled?

[GMG_Dallas]

3 hours ago, TheReal_jayD said:

I don't think they are moving away. But I think in todays age you have to be balanced. You have to use all avenues in roster building. Last staff was too HS dependent. This staff started that way.. but I think that has changed in quick amount of time

I agree. We need balanced recruiting.