Jump to content

Why There Is No Such Thing As A "Medical Redshirt"........

FirefightnRick

By FirefightnRick
in Mean Green Football

 Share

Recommended Posts

FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
Posted (edited)

I dont claim to be the know-all on this subject so if I misquote something please correct me where needed. But It's my goal for the week that the fanbase of GMG.com becomes the ONLY college sports message board that understands the difference between a Redshirt year as it pertains to the Five Year Rule, and a Medical Hardship Waiver. Surely together we can get this straight once and for all?

First,..there is no such thing as a "Medical Redshirt". In fact, unless I'm missing it, no where within the NCAA bylaws of sec 14 is the term "Medical Redshirt" or even "Redshirt" mentioned. But for some reason, possibly for simplistic sake, the extra year not counted towards the 4 years of competition is referred to as a "Redshirt". Then, for some reason and who knows why,...a "Medical Hardship Waiver",.. which is an extended year added to the 5 years due to hardship,..ie (an injury)... is ways misnamed as a "Medical Redshirt".

A "Redshirt" and a "Medical Hardship Waiver" are two completely different subjects.

I posted NCAA by law 14.2.4 here before that explains all of this and will do it again.

Scroll to the bottom of page 148 where by law 14.2.4 begins.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf

.

14.2.4 Hardship waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the confer- ence or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of hardship. Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised: 8/8/02, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08)

138

.

(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two- year or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athletes senior year in high school; (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 11/1/01, 8/8/02)

.

(b.) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that con- cludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 14.2.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to com- pete for the remainder of that playing season; (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 4/3/02, 4/24/08)

.

(c.) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institutions scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States.) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competi- tion in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sports Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such by in the sports Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations; and (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07, 9/18/07, 4/24/08)

.

.

So allow me to try and simplify this:

Per the Five Year Rule, which starts on page 145,....that allows you 5 years to play 4 seasons of competition with a "redshirt" year included within those 5 years...and through by law 14.2.3...Criteria For Determining Season Of Competition...

IF A PLAYER...

.

***Plays one snap of football in any game then that season counts toward his 4 years, and he is immediately INELIGIBLE for a "redshirt" season. That ONE snap starts his clock to tick and he is now down to 4 years to play 3.

For eligibility to request a Medical Hardship Waiver in a 12 game schedule plus a conference championship game...13 games total....

IF A PLAYER...

***Plays in 5 games of the first 7 games of the season he is INELIGIBLE to request a Medical Hardship Waiver from the conference. This rule can only be overruled by the Committe on Student-Athlete Reinstatement.

14.2.4.2 Administration of Hardship Waiver. The hardship waiver shall be administered by the member conferences of the Association or, in the case of an independent member institution, by the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement. (Revised: 10/28/04, 4/20/09)

.

14.2.4.2.1 Review of Denied Waiver. A conference that denies an institutions hardship waiver may submit the waiver to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement. The committee shall have the authority to review and determine whether to approve the waiver based on circumstances that may warrant relief from the application of the legislated waiver criteria. (Adopted: 4/20/09)

.

.

So again.... a "Redshirt" and a "Medical Hardship Waiver" are two complete different subjects.

A "Redshirt" is the year of non-competition built within the 5 years an athlete is given to play 4 years.

And a "Medical Hardship Waiver" is an extension to the 5 years due to hardship.

Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick
  • Upvote 2
  • Downvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Censored by Laurie Veteran

Censored by Laurie

Posted
Posted

Uummm, people are still going to use the term redshirt. Coaches, players, announcers, etc still use the term incorrectly. Who says medical hardship waiver other than NCAA officials?

you probably use just your thumb and 2 fingers to make the talon, too.

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted (edited)

Uummm, people are still going to use the term redshirt. Coaches, players, announcers, etc still use the term incorrectly. Who says medical hardship waiver other than NCAA officials?

Ummmmm,...and some people still won't use a seatbelt while driving a car.

...and some people still misspell or misuse the word lose and loose...

... and some people still refer to North Texas as a commuter school..

.... and some people still claim the Mean Green nickname came from "Big" Joe Greene...

...and.....

Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick
  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
GOMG2013 Newbie

GOMG2013

Posted
Posted

I guess the last attempts at being funny or sarcastic are aimed at my comments, but dont be mad at me. Im not promoting the incorrect term throughout college football.

Sorry your feelings are hurt. Thats just the way it is. Lets see if dajons classification will be "medical hardship waiver freshman"

Well Bob, this dajon is a good looking kid. Yeah, steve...he's a medical hardship waiver freshman...he played a few series last year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted (edited)

I guess the last attempts at being funny or sarcastic are aimed at my comments, but dont be mad at me. Im not promoting the incorrect term throughout college football.

Sorry your feelings are hurt. Thats just the way it is. Lets see if dajons classification will be "medical hardship waiver freshman"

Well Bob, this dajon is a good looking kid. Yeah, steve...he's a medical hardship waiver freshman...he played a few series last year.

If the day goes by and you become the only poster who understands the difference between the "Redshirt" and the "Medical Hardship Waiver" and understand that they are two separate things then I will consider this thread a success.... now matter what punctuation you used or any attempt at sarcasm or humor or whatever????!!!!....???!!!!

Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick
  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted (edited)

Im not getting into an internet forum war dude. You win. Its not my fault the team lost and people use the term redshirt.

Who said it was your fault the team lost, dude?

I'm simply trying to help people learn something that is constantly misunderstood on message boards and in the media nearly every week. We go through this every year. Some new poster comes on here in the middle of the season after a player has played or gets hurt and states..." I hope we REDSHIRT so and so the rest of the year...".

Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick
  • Downvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted

As is always the case, while reading through the bylaws I learn something new every time.

***Prior to the first day of Fall Camp all incoming freshmen, walk on's and transfers must be allowed a 5 day "Acclimatization" period.

***A team's regular season must conclude by the second Saturday or Sunday of December. I assume this includes conference championships?

***After the last regular season game, including conference championships,... And before January 1, a player cannot participate in more than 8 hours of training/practice per week,.. And can only "WATCH FILM" for two hours of those 8 hours. That's an interesting one to me.

Rick

Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted

Here is a bylaw of interest that may apply to Dajon or any other athlete down the road.

14.2.6.3 Extenuating Circumstances. Extenuating circumstances include, but are not limited to, the fol- lowing: (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02)

(a) The student-athlete failed to complete the entire season of competition at the institution as a result of

a life-threatening injury or illness suffered by a member of the student-athletes immediate family, that clearly is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation; (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, Revised: 10/28/04)

(b.) The student-athlete failed to complete the entire season of competition at the institution as a result of extreme financial difficulties as a result of a specific event (e.g., layoff, death in family) experienced by the student-athlete or an individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent and prohibited the student-athlete from participating in intercollegiate athletics. These circumstances must be clearly supported by objective documentation (e.g., decree of bankruptcy, proof of termination) and must be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent; (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, Revised: 10/28/04)

(c.) The student-athletes institution dropped the sport (in which the student practiced or competed) from its intercollegiate program. (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02)

Rick

Link to comment
Share on other sites
UNT90 Newbie

UNT90

Posted
Posted (edited)

It's the same damn thing. Yes the Medical Hardship waiver blah blah blah is the technical term, BUT NOBODY EXCEPT FFR CALLS IT THAT!

I don't think it is, because I don't think you can apply for it until after your regular senior season.

Also, a redshirt is automatic. No petitioning the NCAA for an exception, which is what you do with a medical hardship. They are not automatic. Ask... Nathan Tune, wasn't it?

Edited by UNT90
  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted

It's the same damn thing. Yes the Medical Hardship waiver blah blah blah is the technical term, BUT NOBODY EXCEPT FFR and the NCAA and every compliance officer in the country CALLS IT THAT!

There you go. I actually think we are getting somewhere, cause at least you didnt call the Automatic 5th year(Redshirt) the same damn thing as the Medical Hardship Waiver.

Rick

Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted (edited)

I don't think it is, because I don't think you can apply for it until after your regular senior season.

Also, a redshirt is automatic. No petitioning the NCAA for an exception, which is what you do with a medical hardship. They are not automatic. Ask... Nathan Tune, wasn't it?

Mike, to reply to the bolded part above,.. you are absolutely correct. It is automatic,.. And to Houston's defense, and as I mentioned before,. the automatic year has been referred to as a "Redshirt" for simplistic sake. Someone in the past, a coach, an A.D., a reporter, whoever it was must have first referred to it as such and it stuck. They could have easily termed it Blueshirt, Yellowshirt, or whatever. We call it a redshirt and that's fine.

But what has bothered me is that people get it mixed up with the Hardship Waiver... again something labeled as a Medical Redshirt prlbablu for simplistic sake,.. And these two things are completely separate.

One is automatic and one is applied for by request. And as you correctly point out, is anything but AUTOMATIC. And keep in mind, all those years we applied for it for players like Muzzy, it was the Sunbelt conference that first turned us down. Your school's conference is who you first request the MHW. Then after that the body of the NCAA committee called the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement may be sent a request. I assume once they turn you down that's it.

What I want to know now, and I haven't been able to find out yet is,... Can you activate your Automatic redshirt year in between other years, say in between your junior and senior year? It seems you can but Im not sure.

Also, I believe any MHW can be applied at any point in an athletes career, not just following their senior year. At least I have not yet been able to find anything that counters that so far.

That's why I started this thread. To get answers to some of these questions.

Rick

Edited by FirefightnRick
Link to comment
Share on other sites
FirefightnRick Proficient

FirefightnRick

Posted
  • Author
Posted

I think most people understand that there is a difference between the two... maybe not down to the NCAA rulebook level though.

2 different phrases: "Hey, we redshirted such-and-such guy" (being a regular redshirt), and "Such-and-such guy got a medical redshirt" (being a Medical Hardship Waiver). I guess it's like slang.

Good points.

I simply started this because here and elsewhere I still see folks getting them mixed together. Plus there are some interesting information in there too.

Rick

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mean Green 93-98 Grand Master

Mean Green 93-98

Posted
Posted (edited)

A medical hardship waiver is not the same as a 6th year of eligibility. A hardship waiver is a way to get a season treated like a redshirt season (hence, the common nickname "medical redshirt"), even though a player has played in actual games. DT is an example, as is Riley Dodge and several others. A hardship waiver makes it possible for someone to play in 5 different seasons.

Getting the 6th year of eligibility is a whole different deal.

Edited by Mean Green 93-98
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Tell a friend

    Love GoMeanGreen.com? Tell a friend!

  • What's going on Mean Green?

    1. 0

      New NIL Lawsuit filed

      LINK: https://www.nilcollegeathletelitigation.com/media/4660999/clge_not_240306.pdf https://www.nilcollegeathletelitigation.com/?utm_source=gdn&utm_medium=natl&utm_campaign=clge UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA If you were denied NIL compensation opportunities any time between 2016-2023, your rights may be affected by a class action lawsuit. A federal court authorized this notice. It is not a solicitation from a lawyer. A class action lawsuit has been filed against the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) and Pac-12 Conference, Big Ten Conference, Big 12 Conference, Southeastern Conference, and Atlantic Coast Conference, including Notre Dame. (“Power Five Conferences”). The lawsuit claims certain NCAA rules that prevented student-athletes from receiving compensation for the commercial use of their names, images, and likenesses (NIL) and prohibited NCAA conferences and schools from sharing any NIL revenue they receive with student-athletes were anticompetitive. You may be included in the lawsuit if you are a current or former college athlete who received a full Grant-in-Aid (GIA) scholarship and compete on, or competed on, a Division I men’s or women’s basketball team or an FBS football team, at a college or university that is a member of one of the Power Five Conferences (including Notre Dame), any time between June 15, 2016 and November 3, 2023 OR who competed on a Division I athletic team prior to July 1, 2021 and received compensation while a Division I college athlete for the use of your NIL between July 1, 2021 and November 3, 2023. YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS AND OPTIONS DO NOTHING If you do nothing you are choosing to stay in the lawsuit. You will be eligible to share in any money that may be obtained through continued litigation or settlement. You will be bound by past and any future court rulings on, or settlement of, the claims against Defendants, and you will not be able to pursue your own claims against them. EXCLUDE YOURSELF If you exclude yourself from the lawsuit (i.e. opt out), you will not be able to share in any money that may be obtained in this case through continued litigation or settlement. You will not be bound by any past or future rulings against Defendants. You may pursue your own claims against Defendants. These rights and options—and the deadlines to exercise them—are explained in the notice. Your legal rights are affected whether you act or not. Please read the entire notice carefully by clicking HERE.
      cousin oliver in Mean Green Football
    2. 8

      Great Osobor transferring to Washington with big NIL deals ($2 million)

      maybe. but I just don't care about what the definition of NIL is...just happy the talent is finally getting something for their hard work.
      Censored by Laurie in Mean Green Basketball
    3. 21

      Who was playing QB at your first CFB game?

      First CFB game would have been Baylor against some nonconference cupcake in the early 2010s. First UNT game I went to, I got to witness this atrocity in Austin:
      Matt from A700 in Mean Green Football
    4. 21

      Who was playing QB at your first CFB game?

      I'm young. Derek Thompson and Andrew McNulty.
      GMG_Dallas in Mean Green Football
    5. 1

      Kansas to the SEC?

      no but I could see the Big 10 "maybe".
      SMU2006 in Conference ReAlignment

  • Popular Contributors

  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      15,386
    • Most Online
      1,865
    FairfieldFan
    Newest Member
    FairfieldFan
    Joined

WE BELIEVE IN THE MEAN GREEN!

News

Recruiting

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Please review our full Privacy Policy before using our site.