MGB: Today's DRC editorial on the state of UNT athletics

[UNT90]

I here you, but with each graduating class you get a few more hardcore fans. Growth occurs just slowly. I'd love to be a "football school". I'd also like to see a new face in RV's comfy chair. My point is we aren't there yet, and at this point it's probably going to take a new coach some time to get acclimated. If you aren't ready to be a die-hard this isn't the place for you AT THE MOMENT. If you want decades of success just hop over to Alabama and they will take care of you. Your disappointing seasons will be 2 losses. The culture is changing in my short window of being here, but the only head coaches i've known are Dodge and McCarney. I'm also a cubs fan, so maybe i've adapted to being a little more patient. I've been here about the same window of time as Munthe, so I don't get what the tantrum is about. Changes are being made now, more need to be made, but quitting being a fan isn't going to change any of that.

Withdrawing monetary support is the only way to affect change. It's the only thing that gets noticed. 

The Cubs try to win. This program rarely has put forth an honest effort to be successful. Huge difference.

[Green Mean]

They won a Stanley Cup in the late 90s and have done what since then? Go nearly 6 years without a playoff berth? In the NHL nonetheless where playoff berths are pretty much participation?

Yes they won in 99 and lost it in 00 but they were a playoff team in I believe all but 1 maybe 2 seasons from 93 until 2008 when they made that run to the WCF.  The wheels fell off after that organizationally but a few things happened, the team wasn't drafting and scouting well and Tom Hicks failed to spend enough money to get good players in here.  If I recall they would always be a decent amount of money under the salary cap and that's just unacceptable considering Dallas is a top 4 or 5 market.

They got relevant a few years ago although they're still not there quite yet but comparing the Stars to the Texans, Browns etc is rather silly.

[Caw Caw]

Withdrawing monetary support is the only way to affect change. It's the only thing that gets noticed. 

The Cubs try to win. This program rarely has put forth an honest effort to be successful. Huge difference.

Maybe this year we'll get our Epstein and Maddon.

[UNTcrazy727]

I love the Stars. And you're delusional if you think they aren't nothing but a massive failure over the last coming-up-on-20-years. They're no different than any of the teams mentioned. Guess what? I like the Mavs, and they're not a failure like the teams above. The Stars have been nothing but disappointment from 2000-Present. This delusion is why DFW and to a larger extent Texas sports are ridiculed in places where teams actually win, like Boston or Pittsburgh or New York.

Yup, and I still feel that way. The only good part of DFW is Denton and Fort Worth inside 820. Guess what? I did move back. And Bob McNair brought football back to Houston so I really couldn't give less of a damn how close to you think he acts to RV when you have an owner who treats his franchise like he's running WalMart.

As always, when we can't actually discuss the problem we get personal.

Probably the dumbest thing ever said.

[rcade]

I love the Stars. And you're delusional if you think they aren't nothing but a massive failure over the last coming-up-on-20-years.

Your math is off when you call it nearly 20 years. They won a Stanley Cup in 1999, went to another in 2000, won their division in 2001, 2003 and 2005 and were in the playoffs from 1997 to 2008 except for 2001. None of that is massive failure.

The Stars have been a massive failure for around 8 years. As a big fan I'm hoping this is the year that finally changes.

[rcade]

Nobody cares if you don't win the last game of the year. My sports motto.

So you either win it all or it's a massive failure?

I don't know how you could have that policy and root for teams in Houston. It's like hanging out at Walmart to meet skinny women.

Edited October 14, 2015 by rcade

[greenminer]

Ryan, it appears your definition of massive failure is your's and your's alone, whether you like it or not.

 

Chime back in when you have something on topic to say.

[ColoradoEagle]

The only good part of DFW is Denton and Fort Worth inside 820. 

[CMJ]

If you have to win it all or you're a failure -- every pro team in America is a failure.  Even the Yankees have only won about a quarter of the World Series played.  So they missed 75% of the time.

 

Man do they suck.

[CMJ]

 

Nobody cares if you don't win the last game of the year. My sports motto.

That is what you said.

[UNT90]

Nobody cares about what you are this year if you don't win the last game. Sorry, had to amend it. The Patriots rule the NFL until they get dethroned in the Super Bowl. So on and so forth. My favorite quote from Moneyball.

 

A quote from a guy who has never won the last game of the year.

Interesting.

[CMJ]

I just don't agree with that mentality.  It's never been an all or nothing deal with me.  Even Yankees fans would kill themselves eventually if it was.

[MeanGreenTexan]

I just don't agree with that mentality.  It's never been an all or nothing deal with me.  Even Yankees fans would kill themselves eventually if it was.

Not before being extremely obnoxious about it first, and bragging about how many more of their fans killed themselves than whatever team you root for.

[UNT90]

People need to go to the link for this story and post comments. Ask for RV to resign or be fired if that is how you feel. This article is being viewed by Smatresk. Guaranteed:

http://www.dentonrc.com/opinion/editorials-headlines/20151013-unt-needs-plan-to-strengthen-sports.ece
 

[UNTLifer]

I love the Stars. And you're delusional if you think they aren't nothing but a massive failure over the last coming-up-on-20-years. They're no different than any of the teams mentioned. Guess what? I like the Mavs, and they're not a failure like the teams above. The Stars have been nothing but disappointment from 2000-Present. This delusion is why DFW and to a larger extent Texas sports are ridiculed in places where teams actually win, like Boston or Pittsburgh or New York.

Yup, and I still feel that way. The only good part of DFW is Denton and Fort Worth inside 820. Guess what? I did move back. And Bob McNair brought football back to Houston so I really couldn't give less of a damn how close to you think he acts to RV when you have an owner who treats his franchise like he's running WalMart.

As always, when we can't actually discuss the problem we get personal.

Was talking about the Texans GM not owner.  Rick Smith is their RV and McNair allows the losing to continue.  I would take JJ over McNair as an owner any day.

[greenminer]

It is on topic. I'm discussing UNT's failure to aspire to compete with the big boys in the college sport realm.

I see that now.  I just had to sort through 5+ posts about Rangers, Stars, 'stros, and your favorite areas in DFW.

So, my mistake.

[Cerebus]

MGB: A strong take from the management of the paper

http://www.dentonrc.com/opinion/editorials-headlines/20151013-unt-needs-plan-to-strengthen-sports.ece

 

This is now the most up voted post in gmg history... make of that what you will.  

[MeanGreenTexan]

This is now the most up voted post in gmg history... make of that what you will.  

Then there must be quite a few down votes on it too because I've seen quite a few posts that have a up vote count higher than 27.

[Green P1]

Then there must be quite a few down votes on it too because I've seen quite a few posts that have a up vote count higher than 27.

I believe Fly and his buddies are able to buy quite a few more -1's than the rest of us poor folk. 

[untjim1995]

I guess we see just how much sway the DRC has on the UNT 17 and the UNT leadership...

Best editorial ever about UNT Sports in any DFW media, as well as the most up-voted post in GMG.com history.

And it didn't even matter one iota...ladies and gents, your UNT 17 Mean Green!!