Is this?

shaft · November 14, 2005

So history buffs is this UNT's worst season? Is it even the worst season under DD?

LongJim · November 14, 2005

No.

TheColonyEagle · November 14, 2005

No.
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and no.

NeedCoach · November 14, 2005

Considering where this program should be after what this team has accomplished the last 4 seasons, I'd say YES.

Ask this question again when this team is sitting at 2-9 at the end of the year.

NT91 · November 14, 2005

NO

GreenBrigadeDebbie · November 14, 2005

Disappointing yes. The worst no.

ipEAGLE · November 14, 2005

Considering what we have to work with...its pretty close.

MeanMag · November 14, 2005

UNFORTUNATELY, no

SilverEagle · November 14, 2005

worst season was 1972, 1-10. Our average attendance at games that year was 6000.

KingDL1 · November 14, 2005

I would think there are lots of ways to judge the worst season.

Is it the worst overall record?

Is it the biggest let down season?

Is it the season with the biggest blowouts?

Is it the season we have the worst home loss in history?

Is it the season we have 2 NCAA Rushing champions and still can't win?

Is it the season our coaches can't motivate the a fairly young but talented team?

Is it the season that sets the attendance back ten years?

Is it the season we lose to SMU?

Or a combination of these?

I don't know the answer.

Michael Scott · November 14, 2005

I would think there are lots of ways to judge the worst season.
Is it the worst overall record?
Is it the biggest let down season?
Is it the season with the biggest blowouts?
Is it the season we have the worst home loss in history?
Is it the season we have 2 NCAA Rushing champions and still can't win?
Is it the season our coaches can't motivate the a fairly young but talented team?
Is it the season that sets the attendance back ten years?
Is it the season we lose to SMU?
Or a combination of these?
I don't know the answer.
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"Worst" is wrong word here. Asking if it is the most disappointing may be a possibility.

No way this is the worst season - unless you recently became a fan perhaps.

Arkstfan · November 14, 2005

In 2000 UNT was the only I-A team Baylor beat and was Arkansas State's only win of the season. The only I-A wins were over 1-10 ULL and 3-8 NMSU.

shaft · November 14, 2005

How is it that much different than a win over FIU and MTSU this year?

Also given the drop off from where UNT was at the last 4 seasons, things look pretty bleak. And since no one can articulate a reseason why its not the worst season, I continue to say that it is.

VideoEagle · November 14, 2005

Oh no, we've been worse before. We just have not been really bad in a while which makes everyone think this is the worst.

GrandGreen · November 14, 2005

May not be the worst team, but it is certainly the most disappointing. Rod Rust last team went 1-10 but talk about adversity, after his golden years with Joe Greene, etc. NT continued to cut their football budget and imo Rust did not have a chance. All clubs of Fry, Moore, and even the worst hire ever, Bob Tylers' teams would have imo beat our current club.

Interesting in the 10 year period after the Rod Rust firing and entry into IA, NT only had more then forty points scored against them five times; 9-56 lost to highly rated San Diego State in Fry's first year, 0-41 loss to Memphis in Fry's second year, 7-61 loss to Okla State by Fry team that later beat Houston 28-0, and Tennessee 21-14. Jerry Moore teams had losses to East Carolina 16-49 and BYU 23-41. No team had more than 40 scored against them over once in a year. This years team has had more than 40 scored against them in every oc game including over 50 three times.

Even though NT's 1aa teams all would give this years team a tough game, I assume we don't want to compare todays team with twenty more ships to the Iaa teams.

An analysis of Simon's teams would seem to indicate although in first three years in 1A all were better than the current version of the mean green. Simmon's first year against the toughest schedule every played by NT went 2-9 with basically a IAA squad. His last two years he was 4-7 and 3-8.

Even D Dickey early Big West teams had better showings then this year's squad.

In 98 DD lost to OU 9-37, Tech 0-30, A&M 9-28 and Ariz State 15-34. In 99 lost to LSU 0-52, Baylor 10-23 and TCU 3-27 and beat Tech 21-14.

DD's 2000 team was his closest to being as unsuccessful as the current team going 3-8 including beating a 1aa team and bad losses to Boise State 0-59, Ark State 28-53 and Kansas State 10-55.

In summary there are two teams in recent 1a history that maybe as bad as the current team. The 2000 DD team and Rod Rust's last team. The difference is that hardly anyone expected either of these clubs to be much better. Rust's team followed two 3-8 years, and the 2000 team was after DD first two teams went 3-8 and 2-9.

Compare this with the current Mean Green returning most of their offensive team including two national rushing leaders. A team that was rated higher than any NT since the Fry years and predicted to win their fifth conference championship. No doubt this team will have the most disappointing finish of any NT team in recent history.

Got5onIt · November 16, 2005

In 2000 UNT was the only I-A team Baylor beat and was Arkansas State's only win of the season. The only I-A wins were over 1-10 ULL and 3-8 NMSU.
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So you think 2000 was the worst season?

medpilot21 · November 16, 2005

No.. 99 and 2000 season were worse. We may not win another game this year, but at least we had hope. No such luck with those teams. Great guys, but really bad football.

GMG!!!

GrandGreen · November 17, 2005

No.. 99 and 2000 season were worse. We may not win another game this year, but at least we had hope. No such luck with those teams. Great guys, but really bad football.
GMG!!!
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The 1999 team beat Tech and Boise State, other than 0-52 loss to LSU, they were at least not completely blown out in games. Losing 3-28 UNLV, 10-23 Baylor, Idaho 10-28, Ark State 10-14, 28-41 Nevada, 3-27 TCU, 9-22 New Mexico State and 7-34 Utah State.

If NT wins the final two games, a case could be made that current team is better than 1999 and 2000. However, not playing within 40 points of any team rated above 95 does not exactly present a strong case. Losing the last two games or getting blown out in one of the games would just about insure that this team imo is as bad as any in recent history.