Why?

[Cr1028]

Some of you were so certain that Seth Littrell was holding us back that just about anyone could improve over him. Well, we are now worse. I hope things improve but right now it looks like we are headed from conference runnerup to cellar dwellar again. Hope it was fun.

[Venson]

I want you to be wrong, but seems you are right. I can safely say that we are in the bottom 10 and maybe even the bottom 5.

[Side.Show.Joe]

Seth was not the answer.... Morris is just worse. Neither can lead UNT football where we want it to go. So after just two games, we are back to square one. 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

2 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Some of you were so certain that Seth Littrell was holding us back that just about anyone could improve over him. Well, we are now worse. I hope things improve but right now it looks like we are headed from conference runnerup to cellar dwellar again. Hope it was fun.

Well... I must say SL lost every game of consequence. This and next season may lead to 3-5 wins combined, but these 2 seasons will also bring home the exact amount of hardware SL stuffed into our trophy case. 

[KingDL1]

4 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Some of you were so certain that Seth Littrell was holding us back that just about anyone could improve over him. Well, we are now worse. I hope things improve but right now it looks like we are headed from conference runnerup to cellar dwellar again. Hope it was fun.

Clearly, we were not getting better under Seth, and that would only lead to worse results in this conference. He lacked the personality and the recruiting skills to be a head coach. Probably a great OC. 

Timing with Wren was more of the issue for. me

[meangreenbob]

Why? You want to know why? 
I’ll tell you why. Because we are North Texas where incompetence reigns supreme. 

[Cr1028]

7 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

Clearly, we were not getting better under Seth, and that would only lead to worse results in this conference. He lacked the personality and the recruiting skills to be a head coach. Probably a great OC. 

Timing with Wren was more of the issue for. me

I disagree. The wheels fell off after Harrell left but we were better every season after that 2019 disaster with Bodie Reeder. We were one play away from beating UTSA in their house last season and beat them like a drum the year before. Just imagine the beatdown they are going to throw us this November 4.

[Mike Jackson]

13 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Some of you were so certain that Seth Littrell was holding us back that just about anyone could improve over him. Well, we are now worse. I hope things improve but right now it looks like we are headed from conference runnerup to cellar dwellar again. Hope it was fun.

So watching a below 0.500 coach against FBS competition was fun for you?  If you were a loser, you’re a loser.   So now we’re comparing magnitude of being a loser to present in an argument?  I am sorry that I do not take any bowl game appearances bowl games seriously if you need the FCS game to count to get to 6 wins.  And Seth teams’ performances were trending, flat or down.

[GMG_Dallas]

I don't think his ceiling is where we wanted it to be but maybe we should have kept him for this year while a proper and complete search be conducted. 

[KingDL1]

2 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

I disagree. The wheels fell off after Harrell left but we were better every season after that 2019 disaster with Bodie Reeder. We were one play away from beating UTSA in their house last season and beat them like a drum the year before. Just imagine the beatdown they are going to throw us this November 4.

Yup what was that big important win game Seth won. I must of missed it. But he did let SMU come in here last year and trounce us. Did he ever beat them at home? 

[Mike Jackson]

17 hours ago, Cr1028 said:

Stop referring to this please.  The weather in Denton that day made it impossible for UTSA to pass the ball.  You couldn’t have scripted better weather for a Seth team that mediocre at passing in perfect whether.  Everyone knows they probably kick our ass that day, and Seth is fired if it weren’t cold, windy and raining that day. 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Mike Jackson

[Mike Jackson]

3 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I don't think his ceiling is where we wanted it to be but maybe we should have kept him for this year while a proper and complete search be conducted. 

His teams were trending down. 

[keith]

4 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

Yup what was that big important win game Seth won. I must of missed it. But he did let SMU come in here last year and trounce us. Did he ever beat them at home? 

Whether you like it or not, we beat a top, what, 15 team, in Denton and we made more noise beating a hapless Arkansas than we have in forever. 

[keith]

4 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

Stop referring to this please.  The weather in Denton that day made it impossible for UTSA to pass the ball.  You couldn’t have scripted better weather for a Seth team that mediocre at passing in perfect whether.  Everyone knows they probably kick our ass that day, and Seth is fire if it weren’t cold, windy and raining that day. 

We both played in the same conditions.  

[KingDL1]

10 minutes ago, keith said:

We both played in the same conditions.  

What does that mean? Are really saying conditions can't favor one team over another? 

[keith]

Just now, KingDL1 said:

What does that mean? Are really saying conditions can't favor one team over another? 

Yes.  People should quit  making excuses why we beat the sh!t out of UTSA that day. 

[KingDL1]

Just now, keith said:

Yes.  People should quit  making excuses why we beat the sh!t out of UTSA that day. 

Wow

[keith]

4 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

Wow

Maybe we should all just play inside where, you know, we don’t get wet and cold. 

[Cr1028]

57 minutes ago, Mike Jackson said:

So watching a below 0.500 coach against FBS competition was fun for you?  If you were a loser, you’re a loser.   So now we’re comparing magnitude of being a loser to present in an argument?  I am sorry that I do not take any bowl game appearances bowl games seriously if you need the FCS game to count to get to 6 wins.  And Seth teams’ performances were trending, flat or down.

Your favorite coach was lucky enough to have a FBS conference full of FCS schools fall into his lap so you may want to reevaluate your measuring stick of what a top coach at NT looks like.

Edited September 10, 2023 by Cr1028

[untjim1995]

We are now 128-205 since we moved up to I-A (FBS) in 1995. 

That’s with 7 head coaches, 4 conferences, and 2 stadiums.

In the end, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. We have 6 winning seasons since then. We have won 9 games in 4 seasons as our best record and we have  had 1 year with 8 wins. That’s it.

Sad, but it’s our truth.

[KingDL1]

26 minutes ago, keith said:

Whether you like it or not, we beat a top, what, 15 team, in Denton and we made more noise beating a hapless Arkansas than we have in forever. 

OMG, do you really believe UTSA was really a top-15 team? So silly, so overrated proved in their bowl game that year.  

[keith]

2 minutes ago, KingDL1 said:

OMG, do you really believe UTSA was really a top-15 team? So silly, so overrated proved in their bowl game that year.  

Unfortunately I don’t get a vote.  However, I think they were undefeated at the time and “ranked” somewhere around that.  Why the revisionist history?  We beat them.  

[keith]

At least we know where the “Birds Up” crew stands.  

[NorthTexasWeLove]

35 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

We are now 128-205 since we moved up to I-A (FBS) in 1995. 

That’s with 7 head coaches, 4 conferences, and 2 stadiums.

In the end, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. We have 6 winning seasons since then. We have won 9 games in 4 seasons as our best record and we have  had 1 year with 8 wins. That’s it.

Sad, but it’s our truth.

From your mouth to all the naysayers to the FACT we should invest our resources to basketball and quit pretending to play football at the D1 level. 

Field your football team. 

Invest your money into basketball. 

Let's be the KU of the AAC. 

Any other decision is foolish. 

[untjim1995]

Just now, NorthTexasWeLove said:

From your mouth to all the naysayers to the FACT we should invest our resources to basketball and quit pretending to play football at the D1 level. 

Field your football team. 

Invest your money into basketball. 

Let's be the KU of the AAC. 

Any other decision is foolish. 

The only thing that keeps me from going to quit football is the naive notion that college football here gives young men a chance at a free education to hopefully better themselves with in the future. Literally, it’s the only thing. But it’s a damn big one.