UNT90 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 So would you have followed Martin? Also, do you feel like it's within reason to confront someone who is following you? Depends on what you mean by confront. If you mean punch that person in the nose, get on top of them and pounded their head into the concrete, of course not. What a lot of you are missing is the testimony of the defense expert (and I believe the concurrence of the prosecution expert , although I may be wrong) that the evidence at the scene matched Zimmerman's account of events (such as Zimmermam saying Martin was on top of him when Zimmerman fired, and the expert testifying that Martin's short was away from his body when hit by the bullet, as it would be if he was on top of Zimmerman leaning forward and not vise versa). Then you have Zimmerman's story itself. Keep in mind he just suffered trauma to the head in a physical confrontation where he took a life, yet the account of events match up with the evidence. He is either the coolest customer in the entire world (he isn't), or he is telling the truth about the altercation. And if he is telling the truth about the altercation, why would he lie about what led up to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAGEMASTER5000 Posted July 15, 2013 Report Share Posted July 15, 2013 Depends on what you mean by confront. If you mean punch that person in the nose, get on top of them and pounded their head into the concrete, of course not. What a lot of you are missing is the testimony of the defense expert (and I believe the concurrence of the prosecution expert , although I may be wrong) that the evidence at the scene matched Zimmerman's account of events (such as Zimmermam saying Martin was on top of him when Zimmerman fired, and the expert testifying that Martin's short was away from his body when hit by the bullet, as it would be if he was on top of Zimmerman leaning forward and not vise versa). Then you have Zimmerman's story itself. Keep in mind he just suffered trauma to the head in a physical confrontation where he took a life, yet the account of events match up with the evidence. He is either the coolest customer in the entire world (he isn't), or he is telling the truth about the altercation. And if he is telling the truth about the altercation, why would he lie about what led up to it? Of course he was being beat up. That is obvious. Martin's self defense case would be just as strong had he not been killed. Police advised him to do nothing and he ignored them. Following a person is aggressive. It is enough to make a person fear for their life. That's why Zimmerman was acquitted. They were both acting in self defense and standing their ground. The jurors ruled in accordance with Florida law. He is most likely telling the truth about the event, but he set the event in motion. Had he not pursued Martin he would have continued reporting open garages and other strange characters for the rest of the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT91 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 To me, the 911 tape is the most damning thing for Zimmerman. It CLEARLY indicates that he was told not to pursue Martin, but he did anyway, putting him in an aggressor role. Dude is a murderer. There's semantics and crap that could get him off. If so, it's a travesty. Black/White/Red/Yellow/whatever. Zimmerman killed a young man. He premeditated pursuit, armed, which kinda makes it premeditated murder. This should be crystal clear to everyone. NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Typo. Thanks for the correction. Still stand with the question though. Do you think an armed man who is deathly afraid of 17 year old kids is safe to be in public Militas in Africa and terrorist organizations train actual children to kill. During the Serbian/Bosnian War, 6 year olds would walk up to soldiers and throw grenades. A 74 year old man shot and killed a Texas State trooper without remorse. My Kung Fu instructor's instructor could perform moves so fast at 70 years old, that they had to actually ask him to slow down so they could follow. A 15 year old who has been studying a martial arts form for 10 years is lethal. You can not judge a person's physical and fighting capabilities based on age and look alone. Exactly, If either would have taken the time to just talk to one another instead of letting their personal suspicions run loose. THIS x1000. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNT90 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Of course he was being beat up. That is obvious. Martin's self defense case would be just as strong had he not been killed. Police advised him to do nothing and he ignored them. Following a person is aggressive. It is enough to make a person fear for their life. That's why Zimmerman was acquitted. They were both acting in self defense and standing their ground. The jurors ruled in accordance with Florida law. He is most likely telling the truth about the event, but he set the event in motion. Had he not pursued Martin he would have continued reporting open garages and other strange characters for the rest of the night. 1) Police did not tell him, nor could they tell him not to follow. A police dispatcher did. Again, it doesn't matter, because following someone is not illegal. 2) the defense did not use the stand your ground law as a defense. They went with straight self defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Censored by Laurie Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 NOT. now that's how you debate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAGEMASTER5000 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) 1) Police did not tell him, nor could they tell him not to follow. A police dispatcher did. Again, it doesn't matter, because following someone is not illegal. 2) the defense did not use the stand your ground law as a defense. They went with straight self defense. 1) A police dispatcher is familiar with police procedures. It is probably best to follow their advice. A person in charge of the neighborhood watch program should be familiar with police procedures and know their limits. I never claimed that following somebody is illegal. It is aggressive and puts the person being followed on the defensive. If he did not follow Martin, nothing would have happened. He would not have been beaten up. 2) I will refrain from using that phrase. Edited July 16, 2013 by RAGEMASTER5000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRAM1 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 now that's how you debate. You don't really think this thread represents a debate....do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNTflyer Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I expect we will all come to an mutual consensus if this thread can go just a few more pages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I expect we will all come to an mutual consensus if this thread can go just a few more pages. But what fun is that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirefightnRick Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) CNN: Juror Speaks, Martin Threw First Punch.http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-juror-book/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Rick Edited July 16, 2013 by FirefightnRick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNTLifer Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Why was this case even big news to start with? Someone, anyone, please explain that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNT Five&Dime Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 CNN: Juror Speaks, Martin Threw First Punch.http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-juror-book/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Rick The article clearly states she BELIEVES Martin threw the first punch. And she THINKS he got mad and attacked. Nothing definitive like your recap suggests. She also said she believes Martin threw the first punch in the confrontation that followed. "I think George got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there. But Trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him ... and I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him," she said. The only thing we all know for certain is George Zimmerman is a dumbass, a giant female genitalia and a coward. The trial simply showed he was legally allowed to be so. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Censored by Laurie Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Why was this case even big news to start with? Someone, anyone, please explain that. No pretty, blonde white girl has been kidnapped/killed/gone missing in a foreign country for a while? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Censored by Laurie Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 The only thing we all know for certain is George Zimmerman is a dumbass, a giant female genitalia and a coward. The trial simply showed he was legally allowed to be so. Haven't seen it summed up any better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAGEMASTER5000 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I'd throw the first punch too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRAM1 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 What I like in reading this post thread is how many experts we have who "know" this and that...including the charater of both Zimmerman and martin who were no closer than several hundred miles from the scene, never set foot in courtroom, never met either of the two individuals, are not lawyers or judges, do not live in Florida or anywhere near the neighborhood in questioon...yet still somehow KNOW as facts everthing there is to know about the people involved and the case law. Man, we got some smart folks here! You know, because the media always protrays this stuff correctly and never ever has any sort of agenda.....everyone is welcome to their own opinions, but you don't actually KNOW. But, some very interesting and varied opinions here for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNT90 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Interesting that many supposed to know that evil was in George Zimmermam's soul, yet never bother to question what was in Treyvon Martin's soul. Wonder why that is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Censored by Laurie Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Interesting that many supposed to know that evil was in George Zimmermam's soul, yet never bother to question what was in Treyvon Martin's soul. Wonder why that is? One is dead? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAGEMASTER5000 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 Interesting that many supposed to know that evil was in George Zimmermam's soul, yet never bother to question what was in Treyvon Martin's soul. Wonder why that is? I do not think he had evil in his soul. I think he had stupid in his soul. He should have never been anywhere near Martin. He should have waited for the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNT90 Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 One is dead? So if you die, you get a pass on your own responsibility in what caused your death? I guess. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army of Dad Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I do not think he had evil in his soul. I think he had stupid in his soul. He should have never been anywhere near Martin. He should have waited for the police. do you think Martin should have run away, or is your avoidance stratagem only applied to Zimmerman? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNT Five&Dime Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 So if you die, you get a pass on your own responsibility in what caused your death? I guess. I know, right? This stuff is cheap too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanGreenTexan Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 So if you die, you get a pass on your own responsibility in what caused your death? I guess. Wow. This one takes the cake. I'm sucked back in... Are you saying he deserved to die? What exactly caused his death that he was responsible for? Walking home? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fake Lonnie Finch Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle” Sun Tzu The kid didn't know the enemy well enough to start the fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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