J.leavitt, Head Coach, Mike Canales, Asst. Head Coach/oc And...

[PlummMeanGreen]

"Dumb and wrong" I don't think so! Pretend for a minute you are Leavitt's agent (yes Leavitt has an agent and a good one). It's much easier to shop him if other schools are showing interest. For his agent to say "we have interest at UNT" only benefits his search and puts pressure on other schools to give him a consideration.

I like Leavitt; he's a great coach. But people are smoking crack if they think he's coming to UNT. Also, just because he built a program from the ground up doesn't mean he wants to do it again (20 years later, 20 years older with $20 million already in his banking account).

Read All This & Then Weep For Yourselves: Yes, It's Too Long But Read This One Anyway

I think crack smoking is already evidently in epidemic form as it is having a particular assistant coach from a program now descending to the depths of bribery (for crissakes') to get a job at North Texas our hiring consortium will not allow to happen unless they want to see the North Texas version of a Tea Party Movement. If you can find 10 who want to do this kind of hire once again at UNT--I can find 1,000 who do not and would be plain spoken about it, too; you know, real Tea Party'esque kind of plain spoken?

I mean come on now......free T-Shirts, little football handouts at the pre-game walk all sponsored and paid for by Canales? What's next? Free Mean Green prayer trinkets or prayer cloths to show that Jesus Himself wants all this to happen at North Texas, too? Well, looking at our past 6 "project" hires at UNT, we'd need a Jesus type of miracle of biblical proportions to have made another such hire work (which it wouldn't) and to also:

(1) Keep 5 major donors at North Texas (longtime friends) who have told me in the last 72 hours that they will disassociate their contributions and association with Mean Green football (new stadium to boot) if UNT powers get on this "Canales self-created" emotional yet almost comedic bandwagon and then make the University of North Texas the first school in NCAA FBS history to hire "any" football coach assistant from a losing program--no matter the circumstances. Each of the 5 major donors were to the man serious as a heart attack about their feelings on this, too.

(2) Luc'ee, Would You Please Esplain' This Hire? Have UNT powers attempt to explain the last assistant coach hire from a program that was 32-58 to be in charge of another Mean Green major program; and a hire that has yet to pan out with any semblance of success while turning down a former UTA women's basketball coach who actually took a program that plays on a freakin' stage to the NCAA tourney. We just really do like our assistant coaches from losing programs now don't we? Is North Texas the new Ellis Island of the NCAA? Give us your poor, your needy, etc, etc....and we'll hire em' at North Texas no matter what & give them a sweet state of Texas retirement, too!

(3) Explain to the entire UNT community, not just GMG.com which is really a very small microcosm of our entire alumnus and MG fan base why even the consideration of hiring yet another assistant coach from a losing program (maybe 3 wins this season--4 max?) is making the University of North Texas the laughing stock among other colleges alums many of us have to deal with in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex on a daily basis.

Can these who would even consider such a folly and negative perception creator get out of the Denton City Limits just long enough to go out and about to here the laughs and shaking of heads and our constant hiring theme of what one TCU alum I've know for years told me this: "North Texas is its own worst enemy--they just don't understand the concept of the kind of hiring for a football program that gets you from Point A to Point B now do they, Jim?" I asked him what Point B would be for us? He said to beat schools other than those in the Sun Belt Conference and to try to hire a proven commodity that will help yall make the next re-alignment jump upwards--which could be sooner than most expect. .

I still defer to the signature below and for those who can come down off the emotional cloud of losing to a school last night who got beat by a school with half the budget as UNT, ie, ULM; use what the Good Lord gave you to have the ability to do some true cognitive and sensible thinking about all this--in light of our past failed experiments with project assistant coaches

Edited November 7, 2010 by PlummMeanGreen

[SAM Coach]

Read All This & Then Weep For Yourselves:

I think crack smoking is already evidently in epidemic form as it is having a particular assistant coach from a program now descending to the depths of bribery (for crissakes') to get a job at North Texas our hiring consortium will not allow to happen unless they want to see the North Texas version of a Tea Party Movement. If you can find 10 who want to do this kind of hire once again at UNT--I can find 1,000 who do not and would be plain spoken about it, too; you know, real Tea Party'esque kind of plain spoken?

I mean come on now......free T-Shirts, little football handouts at the pre-game walk all sponsored and paid for by Canales? What's next? Free Mean Green prayer trinkets or prayer cloths to show that Jesus Himself wants all this to happen at North Texas, too? Well, looking at our past 6 "project" hires at UNT, we'd need a Jesus type of miracle of biblical proportions to have made another such hire work (which it wouldn't) and to also:

(1) Keep 5 major donors at North Texas (longtime friends) who have told me in the last 72 hours that they will disassociate their contributions and association with Mean Green football (new stadium to boot) if UNT powers get on this "Canales self-created" emotional yet almost comedic bandwagon and then make the University of North Texas the first school in NCAA FBS history to hire "any" football coach assistant from a losing program--no matter the circumstances. Each of the 5 major donors were to the man serious as a heart attack about their feelings on this, too.

(2) Luc'ee, Would You Please Esplain' This Hire? Have UNT powers attempt to explain the last assistant coach hire from a program that was 32-58 to be in charge of another Mean Green major program; and a hire that has yet to pan out with any semblance of success while turning down a former UTA women's basketball coach who actually took a program that plays on a freakin' stage to the NCAA tourney. We just really do like our assistant coaches from losing programs now don't we? (Is North Texas the new Ellis Island of the NCAA? Give us your poor, your needy, etc, etc....and we'll hire em' at North Texas no matter what & give them a sweet state of Texas retirement, too!

(3) Explain to the entire UNT community, not just GMG.com which is really a very small microcosm of our entire alumnus and MG fan base why even the consideration of hiring yet another assistant coach from a losing program (maybe 3 wins this season--4 max?) is making the University of North Texas the laughing stock among other colleges alums many of us have to deal with in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex on a daily basis.

Can these who would even consider such a folly and negative perception creator get out of the Denton City Limits just long enough to go out and about to here the laughs and shaking of heads and our constant hiring theme of what one TCU alum I've know for years told me this: "North Texas is its own worst enemy--they just don't understand the concept of the kind of hiring for a football program that gets you from Point A to Point B now do they, Jim?" I asked him what Point B would be for us? He said to beat schools other than those in the Sun Belt Conference and to try to hire a proven commodity that will help yall make the next re-alignment jump upwards.

I still defer to the signature below and for those who can come down off the emotional cloud of losing to a school last night who got beat by a school with half the budget as UNT, ie, ULM; use what the Good Lord gave you to have the ability to do some true cognitive and sensible thinking about all this--in light of our past failed experiments with project assistant coaches

In your own words PMG:

"Well, looking at our past 6 "project" hires at UNT" So it takes (5) major donors - your longtime friends six project hires to finally realize it's time to do something different? Really?

"the first school in NCAA FBS history to hire "any" football coach assistant from a losing program" If you are reasonable and can come off of your emotional cloud of paragraph after paragraph of not supporting the current program (albeit interim) , this is not Canales' program; it's Todd Dodge's program (every hire, recruit, and player). Todd Dodge is a good man that got some bad breaks, but he and RV are responsible for the state of this program (and technically your (5) donor friends as well).

"the laughs and shaking of heads and our constant hiring theme of what one TCU alum I've know for years told me this: "North Texas is its own worst enemy--they just don't understand the concept of the kind of hiring for a football program that gets you from Point A to Point B now do they" Again, how bright are your longtime donor friends if they continue to get laughed at by TCU alumni and having their football dollars being wasted by people who just don't understand the concept of hiring for a football program?

I think it's fair to say (NO MATTER WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE) we really don't know what the future holds. So why don't we just support the kids for the balance of the season and let the chips fall where they may as it relates to next year.

[FirefightnRick]

But people are smoking crack if they think he's coming to UNT. Also, just because he built a program from the ground up doesn't mean he wants to do it again (20 years later, 20 years older with $20 million already in his banking account).

I assure you he's interested in this position.

Rick

[gangrene]

"Dumb and wrong" I don't think so! Pretend for a minute you are Leavitt's agent (yes Leavitt has an agent and a good one). It's much easier to shop him if other schools are showing interest. For his agent to say "we have interest at UNT" only benefits his search and puts pressure on other schools to give him a consideration.

I like Leavitt; he's a great coach. But people are smoking crack if they think he's coming to UNT. Also, just because he built a program from the ground up doesn't mean he wants to do it again (20 years later, 20 years older with $20 million already in his banking account).

I prefer to deal in facts rather than wild speculation and what-if scenarios. The fact is Leavitt has expressed interest in North Texas so he should be called and interviewed. He's making $0 right now so whatever UNT would offer is more than his current salary. Additionally, Leavitt doesn't exactly have a lot of options available to him at the moment. You must have missed the article in which Jim Leavitt was quoted as saying he'd been contacted about a few HS jobs for the 2010 season and had strongly considered taking them just so he could be coaching football.

Jim Leavitt reflects on life after USF

It becomes very clear, after talking with Jim Leavitt for just a few minutes, that he still has the fire and the passion, for coaching. "I had some high school teams that reached out to me," said Leavitt about job inquiries. "It was close, I thought about it, because I thought, shoot, if I just go out and coach, that's great... high school, college, or the NFL, or whatever, it's not going to be much different with the passion I have for the game."

I bet that would have really blown your mind had he done that? Or, are you going to simply dismiss that comment as more posturing by Leavitt's agent? It's not ALWAYS about the money.

[Cr1028]

I prefer to deal in facts rather than wild speculation and what-if scenarios. The fact is Leavitt has expressed interest in North Texas so he should be called and interviewed. He's making $0 right now so whatever UNT would offer is more than his current salary. Additionally, Leavitt doesn't exactly have a lot of options available to him at the moment. You must have missed the article in which Jim Leavitt was quoted as saying he'd been contacted about a few HS jobs for the 2010 season and had strongly considered taking them just so he could be coaching football.

Jim Leavitt reflects on life after USF

I bet that would have really blown your mind had he done that? Or, are you going to simply dismiss that comment as more posturing by Leavitt's agent? It's not ALWAYS about the money.

Luckily for him he didn't take one of those HS jobs or he would have no chance to come here.

[gangrene]

Luckily for him he didn't take one of those HS jobs or he would have no chance to come here.

Good point!

[PlummMeanGreen]

In your own words PMG:

"Well, looking at our past 6 "project" hires at UNT" So it takes (5) major donors - your longtime friends six project hires to finally realize it's time to do something different? Really?

"the first school in NCAA FBS history to hire "any" football coach assistant from a losing program" If you are reasonable and can come off of your emotional cloud of paragraph after paragraph of not supporting the current program (albeit interim) , this is not Canales' program; it's Todd Dodge's program (every hire, recruit, and player). Todd Dodge is a good man that got some bad breaks, but he and RV are responsible for the state of this program (and technically your (5) donor friends as well).

"the laughs and shaking of heads and our constant hiring theme of what one TCU alum I've know for years told me this: "North Texas is its own worst enemy--they just don't understand the concept of the kind of hiring for a football program that gets you from Point A to Point B now do they" Again, how bright are your longtime donor friends if they continue to get laughed at by TCU alumni and having their football dollars being wasted by people who just don't understand the concept of hiring for a football program?

I think it's fair to say (NO MATTER WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE) we really don't know what the future holds. So why don't we just support the kids for the balance of the season and let the chips fall where they may as it relates to next year.

With your post #27 you are probably yet another Canales Vote Castor and Pusher of His Cause (and I'm sure you'll say your posting with a different moniker; but I seem to have a history of support of this school and its football program and if not for my weekend DJ business would be at most or all home games. Told a Mean Geeen buddy I might as well be a 7'th Day Adventist minister since they work every Saturday.

BUT......... I don't support our most of the time failed bids at hiring project hires since 1981. Does this kind of opinion make me the bad guy here? We have this longtime legacy of non-success with hiring head football coaches at North Texas and Canales might be a great hire if we had had a 6 seasons in a row of a winning program but that is not the case.

Canales may just be at the right place but just at the wrong time of its football history for him to even think he has a real chance and.......... all this Barnum and Baily self-promtion is making himself seem silly and making people beyond GMG.com laugh. A TCU friend was poking fun at us laughing hysterically over all this with Canales. I told him to kiss my Mean Green a$$, but he's been a longtime friend enough to where I could tell him that, too.

The judgement on this forum is what disappoints me the most because it tells many of us that they don't desire much more than SBC success which can be found annually toward the Bottom 25 in most polls--their own record would be they would have supported our last 6 hires, too; hell, I was drinking the Denton water and supported Dodge and seemed to have forgotten that we had had a successful Texas HS coach before with Dennis Parker and that also went very, very south. (Our astute coach's selection committee back then chose Parker over Dennis Francione who wanted our job very much so now you know what we have been up against as alums and MG fans at North Texas for most of 30 plus years now).

Edited November 7, 2010 by PlummMeanGreen

[Cr1028]

If Canales ends up at New Mexico or someplace similar next year and wins conference while our "big name" hire keeps us in the cellar, I will be freaking sick. I may have to revoke my own fandom at that point.

[FirefightnRick]

(Our astute selection committee back then chose Parker over Dennis Francione who wanted our job very much

Not only Dennis Franchione. Future college football hall of famer Paul Johnson was the other finalist with Parker. The committee felt Parker, who had just won the 5A Championship at Marshall, would have more connections with Texas high school talent than someone from the southeastern part of the country. I was so furious upon the announcement that I held up a protest sign at the home basketball game that night at the Super Pit.

One of the all time worst decisions in coaching hires in all of college football history as far as I'm concerned.

Rick

Edited November 7, 2010 by FirefightnRick

[PlummMeanGreen]

If Canales ends up at New Mexico or someplace similar next year and wins conference while our "big name" hire keeps us in the cellar, I will be freaking sick. I may have to revoke my own fandom at that point.

Won't happen...UNM won't hire from a losing UNT coaching staff, either--nobody will. What part of that concept is so hard to understand is what I don't understand from those caught up in this most interesting frenzy?

Hey, we got beat by a school last night who was beaten by a school (ULM) with half our football budget one who almost gave up football a few years ago. Are we going to base our football future on the eve of a new football stadium debut on these kinds of scenarios? Don't think so...

Rick V will always be an icon for many of us because this new stadium will have been built under his watch. Many of us would just like our very pro-active AD to have a successful football HFC's hire at UNT. When that happens--it becomes a win-win for him and the entire UNT community and isn't that what we all want to happen?

But we cannot gamble this hire away, either, based on the emotions of the moment, or free T-Shirts or game balls for just about everyone in the locker room post WKU win or free little footballs for kids at the pre-game walk or wins in the least respected conference in the NCAA FBS or anything frivilous. Our school's football future cannot or should not be based on things as any of the aforementioned.

Is it now time for re-alignment talk? And on that subject: Who we hire at North Texas could even have some bearings on that, too. If we hire a project, would CUSA of the MWC even think twice about the Mean Green? Their first thoughts on such a hire:

Has North Texas lost their freakin' mind or what with that new stadium and all?"

GMG!

Edited November 7, 2010 by PlummMeanGreen

[Cr1028]

Dennis Erickson over in Vandal Country gives the Idaho program more upside than any coach I can recall they've had in the past. I would say if Erickson cannot turn it around at Idaho that maybe they should consider becoming a basketball only school? <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->

He won 4 games and left. Fantastic hire.

Yes, I know, I am projecting success for someone (Dodge) who has not even been hired at UNT, but a young coach such as Todd Dodge will not want to stay at any non-BCS locale for too many years. Ask DD about that as he never had a choice to leave UNT for a higher profile job even after 4 years of success, but all that only at an SBC level. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo--> Ironically for DD, it was the formation of the SBC football portion of the league that probably gave him about 5 extra years at UNT as it was.

Did this count as a big time hire Plumm? Were your big 5 donors on board with this?

[SAM Coach]

With your post #27 you are probably yet another Canales Vote Castor and Pusher of His Cause (and I'm sure you'll say your posting with a different moniker; but I seem to have a history of support of this school and its football program and if not for my weekend DJ business would be at most or all home games. Told a Mean Geeen buddy I might as well be a 7'th Day Adventist minister since they work every Saturday.

BUT......... I don't support our most of the time failed bids at hiring project hires since 1981. Does this kind of opinion make me the bad guy here? We have this longtime legacy of non-success with hiring head football coaches at North Texas and Canales might be a great hire if we had had a 6 seasons in a row of a winning program but that is not the case.

Canales may just be at the right place but just at the wrong time of its football history for him to even think he has a real chance and.......... all this Barnum and Baily self-promtion is making himself seem silly and making people beyond GMG.com laugh. A TCU friend was poking fun at us laughing hysterically over all this with Canales. I told him to kiss my Mean Green a$$, but he's been a longtime friend enough to where I could tell him that, too.

The judgement on this forum is what disappoints me the most because it tells many of us that they don't desire much more than SBC success which can be found annually toward the Bottom 25 in most polls--their own record would be they would have supported our last 6 hires, too; hell, I was drinking the Denton water and supported Dodge and seemed to have forgotten that we had had a successful Texas HS coach before with Dennis Parker and that also went very, very south. (Our astute coach's selection committee back then chose Parker over Dennis Francione who wanted our job very much so now you know what we have been up against as alums and MG fans at North Texas for most of 30 plus years now).

"With your post #27" Again with the numbers

"BUT......... I don't support our most of the time failed bids at hiring project hires since 1981" If that's the case; why would you let your long time donor buddies continue to waste their money? I mean if you truly are buddies with the long time donors as you say

PMG - I've got you figured out. It didn't take long either; I mean with only #27 posts and all. You don't like something/someone and you want everyone else to feel the same way. You spend countless hours on these boards doing the same thing you accuse the interim HC of doing. Selling your kool-aid to anyone that will listen. Dude seriously, who posts more negative crap about the interim HC than you? If you are truly a UNT fan as you say, you would be happy with any positive steps this program took. Not you though; you would rather crack on a guy for working is ass off the turn things around. You NEVER discuss the detail of a game. ANY GAME! Which further lends to questioning your intentions. Do you know anything about football?

News flash...I just heard Ty Willingham has just expressed interest in the UNT job...What are your thoughts on Ty PMG?

Edited November 7, 2010 by SAM Coach

[Got5onIt]

Ive stated in another post. I think hiring Leavitt is really a waste of time. Canales started USF football along with Jim. He's experienced what it takes to build a program. If you want Jim, just hire Canales and call it a day. Just seems like a lot of time could be dedicated to recruiting & completing a staff if you go this route...

[Green Dozer]

Luckily for him he didn't take one of those HS jobs or he would have no chance to come here.

I don't know, somebody might think the third time is the charm.

[gangrene]

Ive stated in another post. I think hiring Leavitt is really a waste of time. Canales started USF football along with Jim. He's experienced what it takes to build a program. If you want Jim, just hire Canales and call it a day. Just seems like a lot of time could be dedicated to recruiting & completing a staff if you go this route...

Right, why buy a Mercedes when you can have a Kia. Both have four wheels and get you where you need to go.

Seriously though, Canales was with Leavitt for the first five years of USF's football life. Then he voluntarily left to seek greener pastures at NC State, NYJets and Arizona. During Canales' absence from USF, the Bulls joined Conference USA in football (2003) and then the Big East (2005). When they achieved a #2 BCS ranking, it was Canales' first season back at USF, where he served as Pass Game Coordinator/QB Coach after he was dismissed as OC at Arizona.

Now, I'm sure Canales learned a great deal from Leavitt during his time at USF, but he is not Jim Leavitt and he shouldn't be expected to bring everything to UNT that Leavitt would.

[eulessismore]

"With your post #27" Again with the numbers

"BUT......... I don't support our most of the time failed bids at hiring project hires since 1981" If that's the case; why would you let your long time donor buddies continue to waste their money? I mean if you truly are buddies with the long time donors as you say

PMG - I've got you figured out. It didn't take long either; I mean with only #27 posts and all. You don't like something/someone and you want everyone else to feel the same way. You spend countless hours on these boards doing the same thing you accuse the interim HC of doing. Selling your kool-aid to anyone that will listen. Dude seriously, who posts more negative crap about the interim HC than you? If you are truly a UNT fan as you say, you would be happy with any positive steps this program took. Not you though; you would rather crack on a guy for working is ass off the turn things around. You NEVER discuss the detail of a game. ANY GAME! Which further lends to questioning your intentions. Do you know anything about football?

News flash...I just heard Ty Willingham has just expressed interest in the UNT job...What are your thoughts on Ty PMG?

Please, in the name of all that is holy, no. I don't know what is more shameful, Notre Dame not hiring any better after they fired him, or his compiling a similar record (in a similar time frame) as Todd Dodge, while possessing many of the same FBS credentials that would satisfy most of those here who have listed any such specific qualifications. As far as what he did at UW, honestly, after having lived in Washington (the State) for a couple of years around 1980, it is hard to believe how far that program has fallen. But, from the below, it sounds like he did his best to get his players' hair above their collars.

The ups and downs of one Ty Willingham, per Wikipedia

[GreenEagleEye]

I just figured out why PMG has so many posts - over 10,000. He can't stand the fact that others have opinions.

PMG, please realize that others may disagree with you and their postings are simply their opinion. You don't type a response, you type paragraphs.

As far as these 5 big donors go, let them leave then. Because in case you haven't heard, in 100 years, it won't matter. When one leaves, another takes the place. Sometimes it takes getting rid of the old in order to grow bigger and better.

Hope you took your blood pressure medicine because your anger is obvious in your posts and alot of us see it.

Edited November 8, 2010 by GreenEagleEye

[eulesseagle]

While, my friend and esteemed collegue, from gmg.com may not be too diplomatic PMG does make some valid points:

1. PMG posted NT's FB record since 1981 (coach, OOC record, coference record,%'s etc) in another post and yes....not too much sucess.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sunbelt/north_texas/index.php

I also remember a BB hire from the mid eighties when NT could have hired the Midland College BB coach who had won four five or six national JC championships in a row plus he was going to bring Spud Webb. Naw not good enough....I was disapointed becuz I was attending those games back ... way back then.

2. By a 5:1 margin many support hiring a "BIG NAME" coach than hiring Coach Canales. PMG has it right on.

3. PMG has it correct on historical perspective for the athletic program. I can validate some of the hires because they were inexpensive to obtain. Some of the older alums such as '61, OldTimer, etc........have all said at one time or another how Prez Matthews felt about athletics and how it changed with Prez Jitter Nolen then how it changed again when Nolen was fired....and how it has remained to this day. Basically, NT has Zigged when it should have Zagged. Case in point FFR relating the story of who NT passed up to get Coach Tyler.

4. Donors....? Don't know about that ..... will have to take PMG's word on that and he appears to be honest with everyone on this board.

Appear that everyone is arguing how right everyone else is ..... ya'll are all correct it is a bucket of apples of different shapes, colors, textures & taste.......and "taste" is the ONLY way to tell the difference between an oral themomitor and a rectal themomitor. I'm not in that game but who is goin' to taste first??

Edited November 8, 2010 by eulesseagle

[TheColonyEagle]

(1) Keep 5 major donors at North Texas (longtime friends) who have told me in the last 72 hours that they will disassociate their contributions and association with Mean Green football (new stadium to boot) if UNT powers get on this "Canales self-created" emotional yet almost comedic bandwagon and then make the University of North Texas the first school in NCAA FBS history to hire "any" football coach assistant from a losing program--no matter the circumstances. Each of the 5 major donors were to the man serious as a heart attack about their feelings on this, too.

(

Major donors are very influentual. If we've been making these bad decisions all these years, and these big 5 donors have stood by and watched, maybe these 5 major donors are part of the problem. Why haven't they changed anything?

If they've been going along with these bad decisions, why would you want the program to listen to them now? "Hey UNT, we haven't had a problem with anything you've done up until now. But now! No! You cannot hire this coach that has been in this "losing program" for all of 6 months."

These big 5 donors obviously don't know what they're talking about. Maybe some of the long time donors need to go and quit holding the program back.

[UNTLifer]

(1) Keep 5 major donors at North Texas (longtime friends) who have told me in the last 72 hours that they will disassociate their contributions and association with Mean Green football (new stadium to boot) if UNT powers get on this "Canales self-created" emotional yet almost comedic bandwagon and then make the University of North Texas the first school in NCAA FBS history to hire "any" football coach assistant from a losing program--no matter the circumstances. Each of the 5 major donors were to the man serious as a heart attack about their feelings on this, too.

First, I would love to know who these 5 major donors are. If they are your longtime friends, then I would assume they are long term fans of North Texas. If so, were they on board with the hiring of Moore, Tyler, Simon, Nelson, Parker, Dickey and Dodge? Based upon their track record, I don't think making them happy is the answer.

Second, Canales does not come from a losing program until this year. Look at the schools where he coached and tell me how you can even make this claim. Stop twisting the facts to support your claim.

Third, who would these donors like to see as the next HC? Again, would love to know who these folks are.

[slugg]

Altogether a good post, but this jumped out at me.....

"And big linemen with quick feet of which most schools at our present level have to recruit projects to put weight on in the weight room and in the cafeteria but at the HS level when we recruit them they need to at least start with that necessary basic requirement, ie, the quickness of feet factor; maybe even one or two DL's who could chase down a good RB for a few yards out of the backfield before said RB got into 4'th gear."

ALL PURPOSE Rush Rcv KR PR IR Total

Jerrel Jernigan 89 57 66 28 0 240

Quick feet is important BUT.....

That Rb had a spectacular game, 240 total yards. He not only beat DL men, he beat LB's, Safety’s, and Cornerbacks. That’s a kid you corral. In the open field, Jerrel vs. any DL man is a mismatch.

We have the talent needed to beat any team in the Sunbelt and compete with any FBS school. We have the coaching all we need is to be healthier.

Edited November 9, 2010 by slugg

[Monkeypox]

In preparation for the vacancy, I've change my name to Monkeypox Leach-Coker-Stoops-Franchione-Paterno-Lombardi, making me the sexiest name and most likely successor of Coach Dodge. Wait til you see my helmet stickers!

[PlummMeanGreen]

And big linemen with quick feet of which most schools at our present level have to recruit projects to put weight on in the weight room and in the cafeteria but at the HS level when we recruit them they need to at least start with that necessary basic requirement, ie, the quickness of feet factor; maybe even one or two DL's who could chase down a good RB for a few yards out of the backfield before said RB got into 4'th gear.

Early on in Dodge's career at UNT it seems all we recruited were RB's, DB's and Wide Receivers with an occassional lineman. It was predictable early on that that kind of recruiting would come back to haunt us in due time. Well, we are in our 6'th losing season in a row.

So absolutely..........And big linemen with quick feet of which most schools at our present level have to recruit projects to put weight on in the weight room and in the cafeteria but at the HS level when we recruit them they need to at least start with that necessary basic requirement, ie, the quickness of feet factor; maybe even one or two DL's who could chase down a good RB for a few yards out of the backfield before said RB got into 4'th gear.

Blast From The Past: Former UNT great and SF 49'er/Oakland Raider All Pro Cedric Hardman when he arrived at North Texas was (believe it or not) 5'10" 185 lbs. His senior year in Denton he was about 6'5" 240 lbs. Now that would be quite the exception in recruiting project lineman but a UNT sports vignette I always thought to be quite interesting.

Edited November 9, 2010 by PlummMeanGreen