Matt Campbell Seth Comparison

[meangreenfaninno]

 

[UNT Texas Hooligan]

Matt Campbell could at least win a bowl game. Seth has won nothing 

[NT93]

2019:  worst loss was by 22 to ND in bowl game.  Next largest deficit was 7 points.

2020: worst loss was 17, next largest deficit was 6 points.

2021: worst loss was 10.

2022: worst loss is 7.

I’ll trade with them. 

[untjim1995]

Campbell is a solid coach at the G5 and P5 levels.

Littrell is a below average coach at the G5 level.

But, they are both white men who are head coaches that also breathe oxygen, so there's that for commonality.

[UNT Texas Hooligan]

56 minutes ago, NT93 said:

2019:  worst loss was by 22 to ND in bowl game.  Next largest deficit was 7 points.

2020: worst loss was 17, next largest deficit was 6 points.

2021: worst loss was 10.

2022: worst loss is 7.

I’ll trade with them. 

The dude definitely doesn’t get blown out, especially against ranked teams where he’s good for an upset win at least once a season. Already a massive upgrade

[cousin oliver]

15 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Campbell is a solid coach at the G5 and P5 levels.

Littrell is a below average coach at the G5 level.

But, they are both white men who are head coaches that also breathe oxygen, so there's that for commonality.

But the irony is he actually may be on a bigger hot seat than Littrell is right now. 

[MeanGreenTexan]

43 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Campbell is a solid coach at the G5 and P5 levels.

Littrell is a below average coach at the G5 level.

But, they are both white men who are head coaches that also breathe oxygen, so there's that for commonality.

Matt Campbell has success at the G5 level (Toledo) and the P5 level.   If Iowa State cans him, they'd be really stupid.  And he'd do well here, for sure. 
We can pay him a lot more than a MAC school, but those are his stomping grounds, so he may not want to go too far away.

[untjim1995]

49 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:

Matt Campbell has success at the G5 level (Toledo) and the P5 level.   If Iowa State cans him, they'd be really stupid.  And he'd do well here, for sure. 
We can pay him a lot more than a MAC school, but those are his stomping grounds, so he may not want to go too far away.

ISU has done this before. Dan McCarney had completely turned them around, but he had a couple of tough years and they fired him. They never were good again until Matt Campbell got there. If they fire him, they deserve everything that happens after that.

Actually, in a similar fashion, we deserve everything we get if SL coaches one day here in 2023.

Edited October 10, 2022 by untjim1995

[MeanGreenTexan]

3 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

ISU has done this before. Dan McCarney had completely turned them around, but he had a couple of tough years and they fired him. They never were good again until Matt Campbell got there. If they fire him, they deserve everything that happens after that.

Actually, in a similar fashion, we deserve everything we get if SL coaches one day here in 2023.

Agree, but the difference between McCarney and Campbell (looking at them from a Mean Green lens) is that McCarney was completely shell-shocked when he came to Lil' ol' UNT and couldn't figure out why there weren't donors lined up around the corner to fund any projects he wanted, or why there weren't more than 25K showing up to Apogee on gameday (despite UNT having more students than ISU), or why recruits weren't knocking down the door to play for him in C-USA instead of the Big12.  The chasm is real.
Whereas, Campbell saw all of these same struggles first-hand when he was at Toledo, yet he still could succeed there.

I really feel like if NT is going to take the retread route, it's OK, but the coach should have success at the G5 level somewhere in their journey.  A guy like Campbell, if he were to become available & consider NT, would be an absolute Grand Slam.

[Cr1028]

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

ISU has done this before. Dan McCarney had completely turned them around, but he had a couple of tough years and they fired him. They never were good again until Matt Campbell got there. If they fire him, they deserve everything that happens after that.

Actually, in a similar fashion, we deserve everything we get if SL coaches one day here in 2023.

It is strange you make this argument because the majority of college football fans not closely following our program would say the exact same thing about Littrell. He turned the program around when he got here and then had a tough few years. He may or may not be coming out of that tough few years but like McCarney we may not see a bowl for some time after him and outsiders may say we deserve it. 

Some on here would say good for Iowa State for wanting more and firing McCarney while others say they brought the crash on themselves by overestimating where they stood as a program in the college football hierarchy and that 7 win seasons were the ceiling at ISU. 

Where is North Texas outside of our bubble? Every one of us has a skewed view, what does the sports world think outside of Denton? 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Cr1028

[NT80]

5 hours ago, cousin oliver said:

But the irony is he actually may be on a bigger hot seat than Littrell is right now. 

No.  Campbell beat Iowa this year, he's safe.  

[NT93]

A little more fun with numbers:

2019: Iowa St. lost 6 games by a total of 43 points (one of those a 22 point loss).  We lost by 35 to LaTech.

2020: Iowa St. lost 3 games by a total of 26 points.  We by 32 to UTSA, 30 to SMU, and 28 to both Charlotte and App. St.

2021: Iowa St. lost 6 games by a total of 36 points.  We lost by 34 to UAB.

2022: Iowa St lost 3 games by a total of 11 points.  You all know the numbers that would go here.

In the past 4 years, Iowa St. has lost 18 games by an average of 6 points per game.

In the past 4 years, UNT has lost 24 games by an average of 19 points per game.

Out of our 24 losses in the past 4 seasons, only 4 of them have been 6 points or less.

 

[NorthTexasWeLove]

I think the comparison is being pulled from the narrative of 'he wins just enough' to not get fired. 

[Pellom]

I think the comparison is that they both should have jumped to bigger jobs when they had the chance instead of sticking around to watch things stagnate. 

[NT80]

1 hour ago, Pellom said:

I think the comparison is that they both should have jumped to bigger jobs when they had the chance instead of sticking around to watch things stagnate. 

Yes, there is a definite window of opportunity while climbing the ladder.  Some get second chances when they miss a step, like Sonny Dykes.  He didn't do well at Cal but got back on the ladder again and now has TCU rolling.

[outoftown]

There will be a P5 AD happily snapping up Campbell without having to pay a buyout if he gets fired at ISU. I doubt it will happen. He finally beat Iowa after all. If SL had beaten SMU instead of getting taken to the woodshed, the mood on this board would still be completely different.

Whether Campbell will eventually be equally good at a place with more of a microscope on him is another question.

[MeanGreenTexan]

5 hours ago, outoftown said:

There will be a P5 AD happily snapping up Campbell without having to pay a buyout if he gets fired at ISU. I doubt it will happen. He finally beat Iowa after all. If SL had beaten SMU instead of getting taken to the woodshed, the mood on this board would still be completely different.

Whether Campbell will eventually be equally good at a place with more of a microscope on him is another question.

No doubt.  I don't think I'd be as hardline #FireLittrell if NT had won at Ford, even though SMU is 2-3 with beatdowns against us & Lamar (Lamar played SMU to a closer score than we did!).  ...But I'd still be leaning that way.