Trouble at Baylor - OTL

UNT15 · April 13, 2016

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/15191102

Baylor University did not investigate a sexual assault report made against two football players for more than two years, despite the school's obligation under federal law to immediately address allegations of sexual violence involving students, Outside the Lines has learned.

In 2013, the Waco Police Department wrote in a police report that it had informed Baylor officials about an off-campus incident involving former All-Big 12 tight end Tre'Von Armstead and former practice squad player Myke Chatman. Waco police also told the alleged victim they had contacted Baylor, but according to documents and interviews conducted by Outside the Lines, Baylor didn't begin looking into the allegations until Sept. 11, 2015.

They have a rape culture at Baylor.

10Eagle10 · April 13, 2016

This is really sickening.

3XL · April 13, 2016

the "cover up culture" at Baylor doesn't surprise me a bit...it's in their DNA to deny truth...being good at football only compounds the problem.

MGNation92 · April 13, 2016

It's scary what success and money will do to a program. Sweep it under the rug as long as they're raking in the revenue

DeepGreen · April 13, 2016

In a lot of cases when a dormant program like Baylor was, suddenly rise to the pinnacle of college football in just a handful of years, something is wrong. Whether it's sweeping incidents like this sweeping under the rug stuff, illegally entertaining recruits, payoffs for signing with a program, etc., whatever, it usually shows up somewhere, sometime.

untjim1995 · April 13, 2016

8 minutes ago, DeepGreen said:

In a lot of cases when a dormant program like Baylor was, suddenly rise to the pinnacle of college football in just a handful of years, something is wrong. Whether it's sweeping incidents like this sweeping under the rug stuff, illegally entertaining recruits, payoffs for signing with a program, etc., whatever, it usually shows up somewhere, sometime.

Exactly, Deep Green...

Baylor was the largest tick on the Big XII hound for years. Then, out of nowhere, their mens basketball program and football program come charging up as top ranked teams. When that happens, you know that cheating is occurring. Whether its the bible full of cash that Scott Drew is believed to carry with him to get top 10 national recruits to Waco or if its Art Briles letting in uber-talented kids with extremely questionable character to be hidden under the veil of being "reformed" by their Baptist principles, that place is nowhere near being a place I'd want to be associated with right now. Winning has trumped everything, all so they can be able to compete in a power conference. But they have one gigantic problem that they cannot beat--UT's lawyers and media. When you beat them, you get the scrutiny. The Waco Tribune might turn a blind eye to crime at Baylor, but the folks at Texas Monthly, the DMN, the Houston Chronicle, the Austin American-Statesman, and now ESPN (with its LHN investment) aren't letting this stuff skate by. You beat UT enough as a school in Texas, you're gonna feel the wrath. Baylor is no different today than it was with SMU, A&M, or UH during the 80s and 90s.

Baylor deserves sever punishment, somewhere around what Penn State got, for allowing a culture of rape to be covered up and allowed. This from a place that just 15 or so years ago saw their mens basketball team lose a half season of basketball because the old coach tried to cover up a murder on his own team by a teammate who was being paid illegally. That place has been filth for a long time.

foutsrouts · April 13, 2016

3 hours ago, UNT15 said:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/15191102

They have a rape culture at Baylor.

I once knew of a student who was arrested for oral rape of a preacher's daughter in a car around campus. Of course they did a good job of covering that one up. $$$$$

TIgreen01 · April 13, 2016

58 minutes ago, untjim1995 said:

Exactly, Deep Green...

Baylor was the largest tick on the Big XII hound for years. Then, out of nowhere, their mens basketball program and football program come charging up as top ranked teams. When that happens, you know that cheating is occurring. Whether its the bible full of cash that Scott Drew is believed to carry with him to get top 10 national recruits to Waco or if its Art Briles letting in uber-talented kids with extremely questionable character to be hidden under the veil of being "reformed" by their Baptist principles, that place is nowhere near being a place I'd want to be associated with right now. Winning has trumped everything, all so they can be able to compete in a power conference. But they have one gigantic problem that they cannot beat--UT's lawyers and media. When you beat them, you get the scrutiny. The Waco Tribune might turn a blind eye to crime at Baylor, but the folks at Texas Monthly, the DMN, the Houston Chronicle, the Austin American-Statesman, and now ESPN (with its LHN investment) aren't letting this stuff skate by. You beat UT enough as a school in Texas, you're gonna feel the wrath. Baylor is no different today than it was with SMU, A&M, or UH during the 80s and 90s.

Baylor deserves sever punishment, somewhere around what Penn State got, for allowing a culture of rape to be covered up and allowed. This from a place that just 15 or so years ago saw their mens basketball team lose a half season of basketball because the old coach tried to cover up a murder on his own team by a teammate who was being paid illegally. That place has been filth for a long time.

UT's war-chest and connections seemingly insulates them from these kinds of scandals, but this stuff comes up so often all over the country that I really do wonder WHEN will people have had enough of this? Is it going to take a UT size school going down before we see any real change in how schools conduct themselves?

As long as the system is built to encourage ever increasing donations to each individual school, the win at all costs mentality will prevail. That is a problem that is outside of, but definitely dictates, how these P5 schools run their sports programs.

Ben Gooding · April 14, 2016

5 hours ago, UNT15 said:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/15191102

They have a rape culture at Baylor.

Not sure I agree on "rape culture." But as 3XL stated more like a "cover up culture." Nothing will come of this. They are turning themselves into a high TV rating program. The NCAA wouldn't dare.

DeepGreen · April 14, 2016

18 hours ago, TIgreen01 said:

UT's war-chest and connections seemingly insulates them from these kinds of scandals, but this stuff comes up so often all over the country that I really do wonder WHEN will people have had enough of this? Is it going to take a UT size school going down before we see any real change in how schools conduct themselves?

As long as the system is built to encourage ever increasing donations to each individual school, the win at all costs mentality will prevail. That is a problem that is outside of, but definitely dictates, how these P5 schools run their sports programs.

Sadly, this is our culture. Doubt that it goes away.

15 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

Oh, see my thread titled "Nothing Better To Do". Ironically, the speaker next month at the "sports breakfast" is non other than Baylor University's Athletic Director. Doubt anything will be said regarding the problems they are having.

Edited April 14, 2016 by DeepGreen

UNTLifer · April 14, 2016

15 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

Sasly, this is our culture. Doubt that it goes away.

Oh, see my thread titled "Nothing Better To Do". Ironically, the speaker next month at the "sports breakfast" is non other than Baylor University's Athletic Director. Doubt anything will be said regarding the problems they are having.

What "sports breakfast?"

DeepGreen · April 14, 2016

13 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

What "sports breakfast?"

Message sent.

UNT15 · May 20, 2016

On April 14, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Ben Gooding said:

Not sure I agree on "rape culture." But as 3XL stated more like a "cover up culture." Nothing will come of this. They are turning themselves into a high TV rating program. The NCAA wouldn't dare.

Definitely a cover up culture, but the football team sure seems to have fostered a rape culture as well.

was looking at ratings, and Baylor games really don't receive high ratings. They have a small fan base . Don't forget, this is a school that has only ever sold out one bowl game

http://musingsofstef.blogspot.com/2016/05/dear-baylor-i-no-longer-have-affection.html?m=1

emmitt01 · May 20, 2016

On April 13, 2016 at 4:16 PM, TIgreen01 said:

UT's war-chest and connections seemingly insulates them from these kinds of scandals, but this stuff comes up so often all over the country that I really do wonder WHEN will people have had enough of this? Is it going to take a UT size school going down before we see any real change in how schools conduct themselves? [/b]

As long as the system is built to encourage ever increasing donations to each individual school, the win at all costs mentality will prevail. That is a problem that is outside of, but definitely dictates, how these P5 schools run their sports programs.

Are you kidding. They could put the dead bodies of ritually sacrificed virgins on the 50 yard line of UT's stadium with a notarized confession from Charlie Strong and the media would call it a "university matter". There will NEVER be a scandal big enough to bring down that cash cow (pun intended).

Edited May 20, 2016 by emmitt01

SilverEagle · May 20, 2016

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In 2013, the Waco Police Department wrote in a police report that it had informed Baylor officials about an off-campus incident involving former All-Big 12 tight end Tre'Von Armstead and former practice squad player Myke Chatman. Waco police also told the alleged victim they had contacted Baylor, but according to documents and interviews conducted by Outside the Lines, Baylor didn't begin looking into the allegations until Sept. 11, 2015.

Off-campus "incident?".

1 hour ago, emmitt01 said:

Are you kidding. They could put the dead bodies of ritually sacrificed virgins on the 50 yard line of UT's stadium with a notarized confession from Charlie Strong and the media would call it a "university matter". There will NEVER be a scandal big enough to bring down that cash cow (pun intended).

Gold, absolutely gold!!!