Recruiting or Developing

Wag Tag · October 12, 2014

What is more important? I guess we could ask Mac Brown.

I believe it is the developing of talent that is the most important factor for our football program. We will not get 4star recruits , but we can develop 4 star players. With that being said you will never develop a player that does not have a work ethic and determination!

As far a s a quarterback, go out and find the best 5'10" leader, because non of the big programs want them!

Ben Gooding · October 12, 2014

Recruiting and to be honest it's not that close. Development is important, but with a low ceiling developing players can only go so far.

If a team can't recruit well consistent success will never happen.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Ben Gooding

Wag Tag · October 12, 2014

Recruiting and to be honest it's not that close. Development is important, but with a low ceiling developing players can only go so far.
If a team can't recruit well consistent success will never happen.

uuuh TCU compaired to Texas

Ben Gooding · October 12, 2014

Go look at TCU's classes the last couple years. They are doing just fine in recruiting.

SilverEagle · October 12, 2014

To me it's assessment, recruitment, and development. You have to have an eye for players. People who can play the game, not pile up stats. You then recruit them and develop them to play the best position that benefits the team. I was listening to former NT DC Chuck Mills talk about recruitment at the 2013 signing event. He basically said that he didn't look at positions so much as he looked at the most outstanding player/athlete on the team. He then indicated that when you got them signed you looked at where they best fit in and then you started the coaching/developing process.

Scott Hall is a good example of that theory. If Hall had not come to NT he would have gone to another school and played safety. He only came to NT because they promised him a shot at playing QB. But he was a player first and a QB second. Of course he was also tough, quick, fearless and pretty much unflappable.

How many QB's on our current team fit that description? The last time we had QB's on our team that could have played other positions was Dodge (WR) and Danny Meager (DB, WR....possibly RB).

FirefightnRick · October 12, 2014

Go ask Gary Patterson. He's only been writing the book on it since the C-USA days, spanning 16 years. And my guess his answer would be Developement?

Rick

Edited October 12, 2014 by FirefightnRick

GrandGreen · October 12, 2014

Every player has to be developed.

The problem is that a less talented player has a lower ceiling. There are a lot of exceptions, but a 4 star that improves will be a super star, the average 2 star may be competent G5 player.

Ben Gooding · October 12, 2014

Every player has to be developed.

The problem is that a less talented player has a lower ceiling. There are a lot of exceptions, but a 4 star that improves will be a super star, the average 2 star may be competent G5 player.

This. Every now and then you will see a 2 star get signed by a P5 and do great. Usually that has everything to do with the player being underrated and coaches knowing what they are doing. I would like to know how many stars we have starting on offense and on defense. Some on here will chuckle at the notion of that, but when the proof is in the pudding, it's in the pudding. Over/Under, 30 total stars on O and D combined?

RiddleMeThisGT · October 12, 2014

This. Every now and then you will see a 2 star get signed by a P5 and do great. Usually that has everything to do with the player being underrated and coaches knowing what they are doing. I would like to know how many stars we have starting on offense and on defense. Some on here will chuckle at the notion of that, but when the proof is in the pudding, it's in the pudding. Over/Under, 30 total stars on O and D combined?

Star rating by media outlets (e.g. Rivals, Scout, 247 etc.) can be very misleading. I can speak from personal experience that I know my son, Chris, is ranked 3-stars by by two of the real scouting services. You know, the scouting services that cater exclusively to the college programs such as Elite Scouting Services, and not a subscription base website. Anyhow, because Chris was out his junior year due to a broken leg one week before the start of the season, his recruitment fell off big time and the offers we were expecting never came. Now that he's in his senior year, I inquired with one of the media outlets about getting an evaluation and they told me that until he get's offers, they won't rate him. So the gist of it is, star ratings have more to do with how many offers a kid has than what the "experts" at these subscription websites consider real talent.

There are a ton of kids who fly under the radar of these so called recruiting sites not because they lack talent, but because they haven't had their opportunity for play time. The real lack of talent are these hacks who call themselves "scouts". Most have never played the game or coached. I'm not saying kids who are ranked by these subscription sites aren't deserving, but remember, anyone can cheat off the smart kid and that is all most of these media outlets do.

eulessismore · October 12, 2014

Star rating by media outlets (e.g. Rivals, Scout, 247 etc.) can be very misleading. I can speak from personal experience that I know my son, Chris, is ranked 3-stars by by two of the real scouting services. You know, the scouting services that cater exclusively to the college programs such as Elite Scouting Services, and not a subscription base website. Anyhow, because Chris was out his junior year due to a broken leg one week before the start of the season, his recruitment fell off big time and the offers we were expecting never came. Now that he's in his senior year, I inquired with one of the media outlets about getting an evaluation and they told me that until he get's offers, they won't rate him. So the gist of it is, star ratings have more to do with how many offers a kid has than what the "experts" at these subscription websites consider real talent.

There are a ton of kids who fly under the radar of these so called recruiting sites not because they lack talent, but because they haven't had their opportunity for play time. The real lack of talent are these hacks who call themselves "scouts". Most have never played the game or coached. I'm not saying kids who are ranked by these subscription sites aren't deserving, but remember, anyone can cheat off the smart kid and that is all most of these media outlets do.

Well, that confirms what many have been saying here for quite some time.

UNT90 · October 13, 2014

Yes.

The answer to the title of this thread.

TIgreen01 · October 13, 2014

I dunno. I think we look less like a D1 team (just eye balling our dudes suited up) than when Mac took over. I thought UTSA was tiny last year, but our defense this year gives them a run for their money. At some point you need some studs.