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I've heard it was an accident. She jumped out of the dark and scared him and he punched her or something. Don't know if that's the truth but that's what I've been hearing.

If that were true, he wouldn't have been arrested.

That is the story that she is saying now after numeorus people have told her what to say. She told hospital and police something different initially, or he wouldn't be in jail.

Again, this was a warrant, which means an investigation was done and a judge signed a warrant for his arrest. If the "jumped out and scared me" story was consistent, he wouldn't have been arrested.

How many times has someone jumped out and scared you? Ever broken their jaw? Complete B.S.

Man, it's a good thing Scott Drew is such a good guy. :rolleyes:

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What does any of this have to do with Drew? The kid screwed up. That has nothing to do with the coach. Coach can't be there 24/7. And it's Lace's first offense ever. It's not like he had a long list of issues before he was recruited and the coach risked it anyways.

As to the sarcastic remarks about Drew, I would love for someone, anyone, to post a recruiting infraction that Drew has committed. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Actually, I won't wait because I'd be waiting for a very long time. Truth of the matter is, Drew has always been a stud recruiter. He pulled in Top 25 classes to Valpo, a school that averaged maybe 3000 in attendance in a conference no one around here knows exists. No one accused him of cheating then. Everyone thought he was great. He comes to the Big 12 and is put in a situation where every rival coach was telling recruits and their mamas not to go to Baylor because you'll be shot. Never mind that it was under a previous coach, with completely different players, under completely different circumstances.

So, yes, Drew had to do some negative recruiting in his early days and that pissed folks off. Of course, they didn't see themselves as recruiting negatively towards BU, but we'll just ignore that. Add to it that Drew never played basketball at anything beyond the junior high level. Throw in that he pissed off Coach Knight with a flyer that was factually true and he heard a lot of hate from Coach Knight supporters (including media types). Yes, at one point he hired someone's AAU coach when it was perfectly legal to do so.

But at the end of the day, nothing Drew did was illegal or an infraction, yet people drag him through the mud all the same.

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What does any of this have to do with Drew? The kid screwed up. That has nothing to do with the coach. Coach can't be there 24/7. And it's Lace's first offense ever. It's not like he had a long list of issues before he was recruited and the coach risked it anyways.

As to the sarcastic remarks about Drew, I would love for someone, anyone, to post a recruiting infraction that Drew has committed. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Actually, I won't wait because I'd be waiting for a very long time. Truth of the matter is, Drew has always been a stud recruiter. He pulled in Top 25 classes to Valpo, a school that averaged maybe 3000 in attendance in a conference no one around here knows exists. No one accused him of cheating then. Everyone thought he was great. He comes to the Big 12 and is put in a situation where every rival coach was telling recruits and their mamas not to go to Baylor because you'll be shot. Never mind that it was under a previous coach, with completely different players, under completely different circumstances.

So, yes, Drew had to do some negative recruiting in his early days and that pissed folks off. Of course, they didn't see themselves as recruiting negatively towards BU, but we'll just ignore that. Add to it that Drew never played basketball at anything beyond the junior high level. Throw in that he pissed off Coach Knight with a flyer that was factually true and he heard a lot of hate from Coach Knight supporters (including media types). Yes, at one point he hired someone's AAU coach when it was perfectly legal to do so.

But at the end of the day, nothing Drew did was illegal or an infraction, yet people drag him through the mud all the same.

North Texas > Baylor.

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http://ncaabasketbal...r-after-arrest/

According to the police report, Dunn and Edwards had gotten into an argument, leading to Dunn punching her in the face.

The Associated Press, however, is reporting this may not have been what actually happened -- according to the alleged victim's father.

"Somebody down there is trying to make a story out of nothing," Charles Edwards told the AP.

"If something would have happened to my daughter, I would probably be in jail right now in Waco because I probably would have done something to that young man," he said. "In this case, she said they were playing, and that's it." (UPDATE: Edwards has also denied the allegations against Dunn.)

Amazing how the story changes from what she initially told the police.

I'm sure Drew and the wonderful father Charles Edwards had nothing to do with that, right?

Now, 21 year old student Ms. Edwards has an attorney? For what?

I would love to know who paid for her attorney.

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Amazing how the story changes from what she initially told the police.

I'm sure Drew and the wonderful father Charles Edwards had nothing to do with that, right?

Are you implying that a Baylor basketball coach might attempt to obfuscate the truth and misrepresent the circumstances of a criminal act to police?

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think that would ever happen.

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Dunn has been suspended from school. I don't think Drew is trying to sweep this under the rug. There are real talks that Dunn will likely be expelled.

The issue is this:

Legally, this will probably go down as a misdemeanor. The victim (and only witness) is not wanting to press charges and not cooperating with anyone trying to push charges. It will be very difficult to press aggravated assault charges given the evidence and lack of witness cooperation in doing so. Thus, he'll probably accept guilt on a misdemeanor charge just to get it over with. I mean, I suppose he could fight it for longer, but why?

From the university's standpoint, this is a major violation of university code. It is certainly a suspendable offense and could very likely result in expulsion.

I have mixed feelings on this whole thing. From what I was told, the situation was that they had an argument and Dunn tried to walk away numerous times and she kept grabbing him and pushing him around and finally he just snapped. If it was truly the first time this has ever happened in their relationship (they've been together for 10 years), then it's possible that she feels a bit guilty that she continually provoked him when he was trying to walk away. That doesn't make what he did ok, but you can see why she would perhaps be trying to protect him a bit if that was the case. And if so, I would be in favor of heavy suspension (say, no non-conference games) and then let him play the rest of the his senior year and be done.

On the other hand, is this in an outward sign of a bigger inner problem? He has no track record of violence or any other run-ins with the law, but if this looks like one of those deals where he is only sorry because of the consequences (and not because of his action), then I would get him out. And her credibility is hard to establish since she could just be looking at the money side of things. If this is the situation, then I want him out.

At the end of the day, it's a no win. If you let him play, even after a lengthy suspension, people would say he should be expelled. However, if you kick him out, others will be mad that you kicked out a guy with a clean record other than a misdemeanor.

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For the record, I don't have any issue with Scott Drew and I pull for Baylor (whether I like it or not, sometimes) as a secondary team by contractual obligation. I know a lot of people monger rumors about Drew, but I think that anything he's doing that's shady is an Amish barn dance compared to the hardcore porn set that is power conference basketball recruiting.

I just can't resist a cheap shot at the Dave Bliss stuff. Also, I'm still sad that Nolan Dennis chose Elite Eights over a family legacy at North Texas.

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Dunn has been suspended from school. I don't think Drew is trying to sweep this under the rug. There are real talks that Dunn will likely be expelled.

The issue is this:

Legally, this will probably go down as a misdemeanor. The victim (and only witness) is not wanting to press charges and not cooperating with anyone trying to push charges. It will be very difficult to press aggravated assault charges given the evidence and lack of witness cooperation in doing so. Thus, he'll probably accept guilt on a misdemeanor charge just to get it over with. I mean, I suppose he could fight it for longer, but why?

From the university's standpoint, this is a major violation of university code. It is certainly a suspendable offense and could very likely result in expulsion.

I have mixed feelings on this whole thing. From what I was told, the situation was that they had an argument and Dunn tried to walk away numerous times and she kept grabbing him and pushing him around and finally he just snapped. If it was truly the first time this has ever happened in their relationship (they've been together for 10 years), then it's possible that she feels a bit guilty that she continually provoked him when he was trying to walk away. That doesn't make what he did ok, but you can see why she would perhaps be trying to protect him a bit if that was the case. And if so, I would be in favor of heavy suspension (say, no non-conference games) and then let him play the rest of the his senior year and be done.

Are you sure your mixed feelings don't have to do with the won/loss record of your basketball team? First time domestic violence incidents rarely end with a broken jaw. It is normally an escalation of violence through the relationship that eventually leads to a major injury. Could this be the very rare exception? I guess, but the statistics say it isn't. She and her so-called Dad clearly want the NBA gravy train, which is why this story was concocted and why an attorney was hired to protect her from concocting different stories through more interviews with authorities. Problem with a lie is it is very hard to remember.

He should be expelled for not being truthful about the injuries he caused during the physical assault of a women. Period. No OOC suspension.

But I am guessing Drew will walk the line of appearing to be strict while not causing damage to his won/loss record.

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That's a reasonable response UNT90. I think a lot of people are looking at it that way.

No, I don't think I'm looking at it from a selfish fan viewpoint. I actually think his presence on the team would be very distracting this year if allowed to stay. Plus, if he were to miss all of non-conference, then he'd certainly screw with any chemistry built during non-conference and he may not be worth a lot at the beginning of conference anyways. Also, while Dunn is a huge catalyst to Baylor's offense due to his ability to shoot from outside, we aren't without talent this year and should still be a NCAA quality team without him. And lastly, I think it would be good to get the whole thing behind us as quick as possible. Don't want this to taint any recruiting efforts, etc.

It's a tough decision for me because it's his first offense and she doesn't want to press charges. That really does change things in my mind. It's impossible for me to know her heart and whether she is indeed just trying to ride the gravy train (although he is not a NBA lock) or whether she feels guilty because she was the provoker. Again, I'm not saying what he did was okay under any circumstances, but pointing out that if what I heard from within (that she was threatening and punching him refusing to let him walk away) then that can change my philosophy a bit. I'd still probably kill him if it was my daughter, but I have to remind myself that his girlfriend is not a petite, quiet little thing and has been aggressive before. Or, at least, from what I heard.

If I had to make the choice, I'd probably try to help him find a place at another school so he could finish his career and education and be done with the whole thing. I just wouldn't want the fallout and would want to put it behind me as quick as possible. But, on the other hand, I also wouldn't want to kick out a first time offender when the victim is pleading with me not to. Especially if I truly believe that she had a large part in the issue and was not as innocent a bystander as portrayed.

I don't want to become the University of Texas, but this type of situation has happened before. Remember Jason Klotz? He didn't break her jaw, but at least what Dunn did was only one hit, this sounds even more violent, although it resulted in no broken bones. Klotz didn't even miss a game. For some reason, if Dunn is allowed to stay, which would likely require him sit out of all OOC games, I bet BU would still get more press than Klotz got.

Texas basketball player arrested for assault

Senior center charged with hitting girlfriend during July argument

By Mark Rosner

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Tuesday, August 3, 2004

University of Texas basketball player Jason Klotz was charged and arrested last week for assault with injury following a fight with his girlfriend, according to court documents.

Mona Rhodes, who identified herself as being Klotz's girlfriend for the past two years, said she and Klotz had an argument inside Klotz's car on July 3.

According to court documents, Rhodes claimed that Klotz slapped her, punched her in the face and then pinned her against the car door. Rhodes said that she then hit Klotz back, and that he responded by grabbing her by the neck and slamming her face against the car door.

An arrest warrant for Klotz was issued on July 26. Klotz, a senior, turned himself in to police and was booked the next day, according to a spokesman with the Travis County Sheriff's Office.

The assault charge is a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail and a fine up to $4,000.

Neither Klotz nor Rhodes could be reached for comment. Klotz's attorney, Rip Collins, said Monday that Rhodes did not want the case to be prosecuted.

"(Rhodes) came and talked to me. The police filed anyway," Collins said. "Jason has agreed to any counseling or anger management that anybody suggests he might need."

In a prepared statement, Texas Coach Rick Barnes said, "We've talked with Jason and we all understand the seriousness of the situation. We will continue to monitor it closely."

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That's a reasonable response UNT90. I think a lot of people are looking at it that way.

No, I don't think I'm looking at it from a selfish fan viewpoint. I actually think his presence on the team would be very distracting this year if allowed to stay. Plus, if he were to miss all of non-conference, then he'd certainly screw with any chemistry built during non-conference and he may not be worth a lot at the beginning of conference anyways. Also, while Dunn is a huge catalyst to Baylor's offense due to his ability to shoot from outside, we aren't without talent this year and should still be a NCAA quality team without him. And lastly, I think it would be good to get the whole thing behind us as quick as possible. Don't want this to taint any recruiting efforts, etc.

It's a tough decision for me because it's his first offense and she doesn't want to press charges. That really does change things in my mind. It's impossible for me to know her heart and whether she is indeed just trying to ride the gravy train (although he is not a NBA lock) or whether she feels guilty because she was the provoker. Again, I'm not saying what he did was okay under any circumstances, but pointing out that if what I heard from within (that she was threatening and punching him refusing to let him walk away) then that can change my philosophy a bit. I'd still probably kill him if it was my daughter, but I have to remind myself that his girlfriend is not a petite, quiet little thing and has been aggressive before. Or, at least, from what I heard.

If I had to make the choice, I'd probably try to help him find a place at another school so he could finish his career and education and be done with the whole thing. I just wouldn't want the fallout and would want to put it behind me as quick as possible. But, on the other hand, I also wouldn't want to kick out a first time offender when the victim is pleading with me not to. Especially if I truly believe that she had a large part in the issue and was not as innocent a bystander as portrayed.

I don't want to become the University of Texas, but this type of situation has happened before. Remember Jason Klotz? He didn't break her jaw, but at least what Dunn did was only one hit, this sounds even more violent, although it resulted in no broken bones. Klotz didn't even miss a game. For some reason, if Dunn is allowed to stay, which would likely require him sit out of all OOC games, I bet BU would still get more press than Klotz got.

It doesn't matter whether she wants to press charges or not, it isn't her decision. As far as the "what I hear", I am sure the right rumors are being spread, possibly even by her friends at her request.

This guy is willing to lie to police and prosecutors, have his girlfriend lie to police and prosecutors, and come up with one of the dumbest, most 3rd grade stories ever in order to save his own hyde. That is enough for me to expell him if I was the school administration. Throw on top of that he struck a female hard enough to break her jaw and I hope the kid has to pay his way through college without an athletic scholarship.

As far as him not being an NBA commodity, I have seeen several preseason articles picking him to be a high 2nd round NBA draft choice.

Please don't tell me you are looking toward TU for you moral compass. You don't know how many times Dunn punched her as that information was not released. Look what the TU player did without breaking his girlfriend's jaw. Now imagine the force it took to break this girl's jaw. Don't believe a thing he or she has to say at this point as they are in complete damage control.

I really don't have anything against Drew, and think he is doing what any other big 6 coach would do. I'm just still ticked that J'mson Morgan didnt do the right thing.

But who knows, maybe this girl ends up dead and dumped in a field ;)

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