Game Thread: N T @ Troy

[KingDL1]

yep...terrible, terrible half. We've had 4 running plays to the RBs against the worst run defense in the conference...what's worse? We're refusing to run the ball against 5 and 6 man fronts. We've given up 6 sacks and 12 tackles for loss. This is officially the 180 of DD. Throwing the ball when the obvious situation is to run it....good grief.

*sorry, my frustration level is pretty high as I try to watch this crap on mean green premium---which has dropped the feed over and over again...

Except running has not been doing anything either

We have had 21 rushing attempts.

Who was hurt?

Edited October 20, 2007 by KingDL1

[akriesman]

This just in..........our special teams need major help in the offseason

[Cooley]

Interesting fact Dunham just mentioned that Troy U and Army has more Florida HS signings than any other non-Florida schools.

You'd never read this kind of stuff in the Denton Wretched/Chronicle:

No matter the outcome of today's game it's still sorta' bothersome that our top UNT officials were lulled to sleep when by the time of our 4'th bowl game (where the USM Golden Eagles completely dismantled us) we were still no where even close to any semblance of a Top 25 ranked football program YET......................

(1) All the while....Troy U was building what was basically a new stadium (while we argue about how large ours should be while even moreso, we wonder where our Big Donor will come to build whatever size its initial capacity).

(2) All the while...Troy U was building a team that would (before a weeknight national ESPN TV audience) beat a #17 ranked Big 12 school, ie, the Missouri Tigers in the grand re-opening of their stadium in Troy, Alabama. During that same time, we played such schools only for the money with teams whose leaders never suggested winning games like Troy U has been winnning (or playing very close) the last few years.

(3) All the while...Troy U was building quality recruiting classes who even last year tore apart the Rice U Owls in the NO's Bowl (and while Troy U was building their recruiting class quality we during a 4 year run of bowls had so many of our higher UNT officials thinking we had one helluva' real juggernaut of a D1-A football program (albeit never ranked). How naive' we can really be in Denton.

It seems our problems at UNT when it comes to inter-collegiate athletics have most always started toward the very top of our administration coupled with those who would be in charge of our Board of Regents. While they were fiddling away our athletic program to what would turn into mediocrity in (gulp) the Sun Belt Conference, Troy U was building a program that will eventually be a ranked SBC football program--Hide..Watch & See.

For certain hindsight (most times) should be 20/20, but at UNT sometimes we don't seem to have clear vision even when we look back at our mistakes and try to understand them or correct them; that is, behind the reasons this football program is where it is now (even before TDodge was hired) while we had a 4 year run of bowls with our teams not even being close to Top 25 (or Top 20). In fact, we haven't had a Top 20 team since I was a young man in my 20's.

And now, soon enough, I will be 6 decades old and still cannot quite fathom how for so many years several regimes of UNT officials were all but clueless when it came to their knowing when to hire (and fire) personnel that would give a major Texas university located in a major league sports market and in the nations 6'th largest TV market to boot some semblance of a chance to have a representative NCAA Division One football program; or for that matter, an entire varsity athletic program.

So some wonder why so many are putting most all their hopes for any higher profile football future in Denton with a Todd Dodge-coached Mean Green football program?

FWIW....................UNT AD Rick V was (and is) a true visionary and tried to make a major personnel change back in October of 2001 that might have us truly ready for CUSA today, but he was veto'd by yet another UNT higher echelon official who just (basically) didn't know his caca from his oatmeal as far as the kind of leadership that would produce for us a winning non-Bottom 20 kind of football program. (FWIW, Troy U is now closer to filling a CUSA membership than we will probably ever be and the fact that they are not in Texas would probably help their eventual case with eastern CUSA member schools).

We all need to have hope above all hope that this thing is headed in the right direction and that upper UNT officials will keep their traditional most uncanny un-Midas touch (and hands) out of the way of what our real UNT A.D. was hired to and is trying to do (like Rick V was attempting to do when he was veto'd back in October of 2001)?

In fact, if our present upper echelon UNT officials want to show they have a real authentic Midas Touch needed by a university of our size and scope and (BTW) found at most schools like our own, thenlet them begin doing that by simply finding a Big Donor; you know, similar to the one that just gave crosstown Texas Women's University $5,000,000 in what a donation such as that had it been pledged to UNT would have been a record-breaker for us from an indivual donor?

Fast forward to October 2007 and we have some fans who are satisfied with our current talent (starters) despite our solid Bottom 10 ranking. Before our new coaching staff gets too comfortable, let's impress upon them that offering scholarships to back-up high school kids (in August) is not going to get us where we need to be.

[NT03]

We are extremely slow in the WR department.

I saw them leaving from the McDonalds parking lot yesterday in a short bus

[NT03]

5 Turnovers and still getting blown out

6!!!

[TIgreen01]

yep...terrible, terrible half. We've had 4 running plays to the RBs against the worst run defense in the conference...what's worse? We're refusing to run the ball against 5 and 6 man fronts. We've given up 6 sacks and 12 tackles for loss. This is officially the 180 of DD. Throwing the ball when the obvious situation is to run it....good grief.

*sorry, my frustration level is pretty high as I try to watch this crap on mean green premium---which has dropped the feed over and over again...

wait...is Dodge coaching the D today?

[MeanGreengdub]

How the hell does our Defense which was TERRIBLE all the sudden kick it in and our Offense that was doing great start sucking?? I guess you can't have it all but come one, 5 turnover for 0 points?! Gotta be kidding me!

[edcollopy]

if we can't block a damn soul....throw the quick slant or a quick fade...this is a joke..just shows how bad smu's defense is.

[Mean Green 93-98]

By all rights, we should be down by 9 touchdowns right now.

[SouthBendGreen]

what a bad, bad showing today. The guys on tv just said 7 sacks, but that has to be low. The O-Line is horrible. Vizza has a ways to go. Which I think he will. He locks in on WRs, holds on to the ball too long and isn't recognizing defenses. But he'll get better I'm sure of that.

[flyeater]

What a pitifully poor coaching job the entire staff has done to get ready for this game. Pick an area (other than forcing some turnovers that lead to nothing) and nothing's gone right today. Thought I heard Jub say awhile back that Vizza threw a fade to the sideline on a fourth-and-3 deep in Troy territory. Why?

For today, whole staff deserves the roast Mendoza has been getting lately -- and that includes TD.

[SouthBendGreen]

How many times have they thrown deep and our DBs aren't turning their heads looking for the ball? That's just amazing!

[ipEAGLE]

What a let down.

WE HAVE THE WORST DEFENSE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. NO ONE CAN DENY THIS.

Edited October 20, 2007 by ipEAGLE

[Mean Green 93-98]

Thanks for a bright spot, Micah.

Addition: And again.

Edited October 20, 2007 by Mean Green 93-98

[rcade]

This is ridiculous. The excuse that Coach Dodge doesn't have his players here yet isn't big enough to cover a Sun Belt team beating you like it was a paycheck game.

[pollock]

How bad is this O-line?

[KingDL1]

What a let down.

WE HAVE THE WORST DEFENSE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. NO ONE CAN DENY THIS.

Well they have 6 forced turnovers and they have been on the field all day, what do you want?

[UNTFan23]

TOUCHDOWN NORTH TEXAS!!!

33 yds for Micah Mosley.

Edited October 20, 2007 by UNTFan23

[akriesman]

I am not so sure we should be bashing the defense today. They have played well enough to win IMO. Troy has a good team. They are probably the best the Sunbelt has ever had to offer.

Now that Vizza has led the team to a score, I would consider having him sit until next week. Giovanni has taken an absolute beating. I am surprised he is still walking around upright.

Let's finish this one out and pack it in without any unnecessary injuries.

[TIgreen01]

Except running has not been doing anything either

We have had 21 rushing attempts.

Who was hurt?

no...21 rushing attempts may be the "technical" stat, but those 12 tackles for loss were all on Vizza running away from sacks on passing plays.

[KingDL1]

no...21 rushing attempts may be the "technical" stat, but those 12 tackles for loss were all on Vizza running away from sacks on passing plays.

Regardless the oline is not blocking anyone, so there is no blocking for the run either.

[DeepGreen]

Regardless the oline is not blocking anyone, so there is no blocking for the run either.

Worse offensive line play I have ever witnessed. Realize we have seven Troy turnovers, that's 7 Troy turnovers and only 7 points.

Edited October 20, 2007 by DeepGreen

[meangreanmick]

I just have 2 observations:

1. we play the worst defense I have ever seen. I have seen scout teams put up a stiffer resistance than what our defense does. WE have had the ball significantly more minutes than Troy, so defense being on the field too long doesn't fly. It looks like we are trying to get out of the way of their defense but we can't even do that right.

2. We essentially have the same personnel on defense as last season

[KingDL1]

I just have 2 observations:

1. we play the worst defense I have ever seen. I have seen scout teams put up a stiffer resistance than what our defense does. WE have had the ball significantly more minutes than Troy, so defense being on the field too long doesn't fly. It looks like we are trying to get out of the way of their defense but we can't even do that right.

2. We essentially have the same personnel on defense as last season

Evidently you did not watch the game.

[Green Lantern]

I just have 2 observations:

1. we play the worst defense I have ever seen. I have seen scout teams put up a stiffer resistance than what our defense does. WE have had the ball significantly more minutes than Troy, so defense being on the field too long doesn't fly. It looks like we are trying to get out of the way of their defense but we can't even do that right.

2. We essentially have the same personnel on defense as last season

What game did you watch? Our defense isn't great, but they were far from our biggest problem this time.