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I don’t subscribe to that. Fine was a really good college quarterback and it will be hard to replicate his production, however his numbers aren’t Cal Ripken’s consecutive games streak. Fine is our only QB to throw for 3,000 yards since we moved back to the FBS level, but I don’t think that’s because his talent was generational. I think if his talent was generational then NFL teams would have been much more interested. 35 FBS QBs threw for over 3,000 yards last year. We run an air raid. It shouldn’t take a generational talent or conference MVP to put up numbers in an air raid offense in 2020. Alec Morris put up over 1,000 yards in his 4 starts in 2016. If it’s Aune, I do expect over 3,000 yards in a full season and I’d expect close to that for Bean, maybe a little less because we’ll run more with him. Fine’s sophomore and junior numbers will be hard to match but the plays and chances are going to be there for the taking. You’re right that they shouldn’t be held to Fine’s standards right off the bat, but they should be held to the standards of their peers across the country and conference.

for the uninformed, that's Barbara Teakell. She's a pretty damn good outside for the VB team

Do it Jason! We're rooting for you! Y'all, please don't hold Jason Bean or Austin Aune (or whoever else emerges as the starter) to Mason Fine's standard. That is unfair. Fine is a generational talent. If Bean or Aune (or whoever) turns the ball over more or has fewer TD passes than Mason, it's OK. They can still be good and win games for us. Bean has wheels that Fine could only dream of. If he can scramble to help us win, then that's what he can do. Aune has years (re: life experience) that Fine didn't have. If he can lead/relate to his teammates to help us win, then that's what he can do. Just don't expect either of them to throw for 3,793/27/5/64.9%, because that's insane.

OK...my guess is that it is Connie Alexander. She was senior in '68 and also a member of Chi Omega sorority. So, you can get her info from the alumni directory or contact Chi Omega for their alumni list. Hope this works.

@SteaminWillieBeamin Technically Washington was a traitor to his country - England. But to that point - are there Washington statues in London? Because there is a Jefferson Davis statues in the friggin’ US Capitol building!

So it's a good bet he won't be entering the transfer portal

It's necessary in this world. The university can't police that everyone follows the rules and believe me if anyone caught the virus they would complain (and yes, file a lawsuit) that it was transmitted to them on campus. It seems that most who have caught the virus don't know where, or often when, they became infected. There are way too many students for social distancing but I do understand that the university will furnish masks for both students and faculty. The good news is that there will likely be a vaccine available this fall.

Yeah 1. So.. to have a more apt example.. should we bring down statues of Washington, rename Washington DC (and state), and close down Mt Vernon? Surely slaveholding is much more offending than a rather innocuous song on its face that was first sung by a minstrel group (which no doubt is despicable) . 2. Let's have another thought experiment. If we were to find a lost cartoon of Mickey Mouse. Let's say it was the first one and it was forgotten to time. Then let's say it was super-racist and Mickey was portrayed as a black person in the most disparaging way. To your way of thinking, should all Mickey Mouse merchandise, cartoons, etc., be eliminated in the present day or would it be more rational to say that for the last 90 years Mickey has had no racial connotation and the discovery of some original sin in his production shouldn't invalidate everything that came afterwards? 3. Snowflakes are terms for people who are easily offended. As if offends me in no way for the song to be taken down, I can't see how that applies to me. I'm not saying that the people who want it taking down are snowflakes either, I'm just saying that this sort of puritanical stance will in fact lead to a slippery slope. It may not "cancel" sofas and bridges, but it surely will a lot. It's important to keep in mind that this song is just a very small piece of the grievances being raised. 4. I have no problem with the athletes not being forced to sing it, or anything for that matter.

people aren't using logic today, so it should all be good.

The problem with all of this is if you take it to it's logical ends, then almost everything has to be cancelled/torn down/renamed. Austin itself would need to be renamed because SFA was a slaveowner. One of the most cherished Christian Hymns, "Amazing Grace", was written by a slaver. Disney probably needs to be renamed and many works expunged as racist and anti-Semitic themes are found in Walt's work. Statues of Washington and Jefferson would need to be toppled. LBJ, despite shepherding in the civil rights act, was quite racist on a personal level, so the LBJ library would need to be closed. As pretty much everyone was pretty dang racist by today's standards, almost anything that pays tribute to a white person before 1950 would need to be removed as, no doubt, they did not see blacks as true equals. This process would literally never end, because there is a plausible argument that so many things had racist roots or were created by people who were themselves racist.

Agreed. 3,000 yards is 250 per game. Littrell has only had one season as an OC/HC where his QB(or combined QBs) didn't throw for 3,000+ yards and that was 2016(Morris and Fine) I expect Aune to win the job and put up decent numbers (3,000+ yds and 20+ TD's)

That is great news!

Congratulations...much happiness.

Don't confuse requesting this sign off as saying the schools are washing their hands of helping if a student gets sick. As mentioned, in this day and age of sue first, ask questions latter, the schools are advising the risk so they protect themselves from lawsuits.

Fail to see your point that is all about the money. No institution wants to risk being involved in endless lawsuits about something they can do so little to control. This liability question has to be addressed before not only sports, but the economy can fully open. .

Nope. Sorry you took it that way. My only intention was to let folks know I was involved with a hospital that was going through the process of preparing for the pandemic. Also, one of the articles I noted above was an editorial from 1968. Either way, it proves that the government has failed at managing this and other services they are charged with managing. I think that is quite obvious, which was my point.

Final game. I don't believe that 2002 and 2013 are the best teams ever. Since that is all that is left I have got to go with 2002. https://meangreensports.com/news/2020/6/16/football-best-team-ever-1-2002-vs-1-2013.aspx

I think it's pretty obvious the offense was a rudderless ship last year after Harrell left & Bussey went down. That likely took a toll on Mason's numbers. Still, I don't think his ability to recognize defenses & understanding his receivers & their routes diminished. Cerebrally, Mason is way above Bean/Aune/any-QB-currently-on-the-roster, in my opinion. And by the way, we're still pretty shaky at OL. That doesn't help much. Now, we have yet another OC. Who knows if Bloesch will be as good as Harrell, or as bad as Reeder? A lack of Spring Practice doesn't help that situation. I'm just saying, we need to temper expectations (yes, even from last year's performance) from whoever wins the QB spot this season.

I put together some research comparing the UNT starting lineups of the Littrell era. The starting lineups were put together using the most common starters of each season. The points system was determined by adding up the offer lists of each player. Each G5 offer was worth 1 point and each P5 offer was worth 1.5 points. For example, a player with 1 P5 offer and 4 G5 offers would count as 5.5 offer points. UNT offers do not count towards these points. 2016 Starters: Offense 57 points/Defense 29 points Total - 86 points 2017 Starters: Offense 30.5 points/Defense 12.5 points Total - 43 points 2018 Starters: Offense 24 points/Defense 13.5 points Total - 37.5 points 2019 Starters: Offense 35 points/Defense 39 points Total - 74 points 2020 Projected Starters: Offense 45.5 points/Defense 48 points Total - 93.5 points Here are a few of my takeaways: • The D1 transfers skewed the lists pretty noticeably. Guys like Trey Keenan in 2016 and D’Andre Plantin and Nick Harvey in 2019 had really good offer lists out of high school but it would have been nice to have a transfer offer list to be more representative of the caliber of player we were actually getting. Similar to how Jalen Guyton’s offer list out of TVCC was a better reference than his offer list out of Allen. • Even though the winning record teams had lower points than the losing record teams, the strengths of the winning record teams was a good mix of highly recruited guys like Guyton and Bussey and lowly recruited guys like Fine and Ejiya. • We have not recruited OL well, especially at the high school level. We need those guys to outperform their offer lists. • 2020 will be the year we really start to see some of these high caliber recruits actually in position to start and make a difference. They’re not all going to pan out, but this should translate into a more talented roster. Coaches need to turn that into wins, especially as these guys gain experience at the D1 level.

Good news is nice in these rough times. I'm happy for the man.

Buffalo Trace is the smoothest “cheaper” bourbon on the market IMO. I don’t recall ever seeing a green label so maybe give it another try. Same maker as Eagle Rare and Blantons in addition to Pappy Van Winkle and related products.

High Fives all around around! Oops, Dammit!

Hit it out of the call park young man

I have no direct role, just a fan & supporter of the school. The quoted post was from the schools press release, apologies if that wasn't clear. I know many of the AD/faculty and staff and I think overall they are trying to do things right - was just voicing a bit of frustration at a small set of students trying to leverage current events in a retaliatory way for not getting a multimillion dollar building for "diversity" in the fall.

Legal liability. This is the problem for school to re open.

...saw this on Instagram. Wish we would break out these great looking uniforms at least once a year! #classic #collegiate

Why are they under represented? What is keeping them out of college? What more can colleges do? Sincere question

Internet keeps receipts.

We saw the emergence of Siggers last year, and when Littrell got here, he rode Wilson hard because that's who his main weapon was. Littrell may run an Air Raid, but he can definitely be run-heavy if he wants to. He's not going to try and punch the square peg into the round hole. If Bean/Aune/whoever gets to 3k yds, I'll be surprised. Heck, Fine barely did last year.

Very good news. Hopefully they will do a second round in a week or so to confirm.

My "always-on-hand" are Jim Beam and Evan Williams. Like Woodford Reserve and Maker's, but have never acquire a taste for Buffalo Trace. It has been a while since I tried it. I think the one I tried had a green label. Does that sound right? If so, would you recommend another in their line?

Another reason why Louisiana Tech kicks ass in football almost every year.

Thanks. Yep, I read that wrong.

The postal service is mandated by the Constitution, so it isn't going anywhere and I am not proposing that it be eliminated, but it has been mismanaged forever. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss

On the one hand, why should we care about whether UT athletes are giving their own school a well deserved dressing down? More to the point, why should I be surprised when members of a forum of UNT alums don't really seem to appreciate the evolving perception of music genres (not to mention the UNT involvement in such)? In the 2010 New York Times obit for Leon Breeden, director of the UNT Jazz Studies program from 1959 to 1981, mentions that when he arrived, North Texas already had the oldest degree granting "jazz" program in the nation, but that could only be whispered, not boasted about, at a time when jazz was seen as barely suitable for night clubs. And I know many of y'all don't think much of the New York Times lately, but you'd be honored if they did your obituary. Here's a link: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/arts/music/14breeden.html

I sure hope BB happens! GMG

I'm not trying to argue, just understand, but if it has always been an issue, why attend the school? Speak with no attendance, no support. That speaks volumes. Attending a school for free, then deciding there are things you dont like seems hypocritical. Imagine all the great athletes that have attended these schools, that they no longer agree with, went to hbc schools....that would send a message

The video Billy posted and the link to the medium article are key in understanding the point about removing the Eyes of Texas as a song. It is amazing that so many aspects of university life and traditions are really just fossilized pop culture of the 1920s. Marching bands, dancing girls, and minstrel songs were super popular in the first half of the 20th century and are only maintained in high schools and colleges. Its fine until you realize that means the problematic aspects of that popular culture is maintained. The answer is to create new ones. Think of how silly it is to still be singing the same song some students thought up in 1901 (in the case of Yale's Bola Boola). Most of these songs were just rewritten lyrics of popular songs. So if the students want to come up with new lyrics to Drake's new song and that becomes the school/fight/whatever song at UNT or UT or whatever that is the answer to this thing. (Ours was written in 1939 by Francis Stroup).

So, what I'm getting is the actual original lyrics of the tune were racist/demeaning, but not the lyrics to the UT Fight Song itself? I kinda feel like this is a shaky one to be demanding. Tunes are often repurposed into new songs - or at least they used to be. Hell even the Star Spangled Banner started out as a British drinking song with completely different lyrics. I guess if the athletes are gonna raise that big a protest, the school is probably gonna cave but this seems like a bit of a reach to me.

Agree that Paw Patrol is fine...have no problem with live PD...disagree with keeping Gone With The Wind on television (without proper contextualization being added)...and side with UT athletes if they feel that participating in their school song causes them moral discomfort. What do you know, it IS possible to not take a hardline stance in one direction or another

I'm offended by things I see and hear all the time but I don't think they should be deleted or torn down. Most folks are that way too. I'm sure there are way way way more alumni from all races and nationalities for that matter that love the song and traditions of their university. A man being choked to death is the real outrage. (The police involved are being prosecuted and will see justice.) A school song being attacked under the banner of a real atrocity is a bit much. I put this up there with removing the Police Dog from the cartoon Paw Patrol or Gone with the Wind being taken off streaming services. It just seems like people demanding tolerance might tolerate a school's song or a puppy with a badge and keep their eye on things that really matter. Either way, if the players are seriously upset at Texas I would love to see them play here because being a NT football fan is truly gut wrenching at times and we need all the talent we can get.

Do you all really think a load of research went into this list of G5 coaches? It's ridiculous and an opinion.

https://meangreensports.com/news/2020/6/11/football-best-team-ever-1-1967-vs-1-2002.aspx ‘67 vs ‘02 feels like a no-brainer, but it looks like this one is coming down to the wire. Both seasons had wins against Cincinnati, but I don’t think a team that started 0-5 against FBS opponents should beat out a team that almost went undefeated(and featured Joe Greene).

When I look back at that game I remember the statue, the uniforms, the atmosphere, the close game, and last the kick in the nuts. It was a great day. Days like Rice second butthole ripper, the double FAU pool party, and recent bowl games I wish I could erase.