Division 1 Athletic Budgets (n T #139 Of 331

[MeanGreen61]

Athletic budgets for all Division 1 schools.

http://www.midmajority.com/info.php?a=schools-budget

[Quoner]

Athletic budgets for all Division 1 schools.

http://www.midmajority.com/info.php?a=schools-budget

This isn't fair!

Life is hard!

The BCS is evil!

I hate myself!

[jperg2]

This isn't fair!

Life is hard!

The BCS is evil!

I hate myself!

Shouldn't this go in teh "Basketball" forum, as this does not pertain to football?

[NTPhiKap99]

Shouldn't this go in teh "Basketball" forum, as this does not pertain to football?

It shows the overall athletics budget so it could really go anywhere. It is a little depressing but as TD brings more money into the program we'll spend more

[Eagle1855]

This isn't fair!

Life is hard!

The BCS is evil!

I hate myself!

I'm with you. Let's off ourselves... same time...

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[GreenTiger_OriginalAcct]

Here are the Sunbelt schools - all schools since it is a basketball type list. Rank is overall among 331 schools

Rk Athl. Exp (2006) School Location

98 $19,012,760 Denver Denver, CO

120 $16,081,045 Western Kentucky Bowling Green, KY

127 $15,267,192 Middle Tennessee State Murfreesboro, TN

129 $15,151,290 Florida International Miami, FL

139 $13,878,077 North Texas Denton, TX

144 $13,266,959 Florida Atlantic Boca Raton, FL

158 $12,030,129 Troy Troy, AL

186 $10,083,426 Arkansas State Jonesboro, AR

199 $9,468,861 Arkansas-Little Rock North Little Rock, AR

233 $8,033,380 Louisiana-Lafayette Lafayette, LA

252 $7,378,139 South Alabama Mobile, AL

256 $7,191,179 Louisiana-Monroe Monroe, LA

315 $4,556,611 New Orleans New Orleans, LA

Edited August 14, 2007 by GreenTiger

[Go_UTA]

This is interesting, but also interesting would be a true accounting the amount of red ink in each athletic department. That is, the amount of support that must come from the institution's general fund to cover the athletic deficit. This would also be an interesting measure of strength and/or desperation. The big boys filling 70,000 seat stadiums probably don't have athletic deficits.

The deficits are significant for many or most of the football-playing, non-BCS schools...in fact, the situation is frequently quietly desperate.

Ballpark, I have reason to believe that SMU and U of H spend $10 or $12 million a year from their general funds to prop-up their athletic enterprises. UNT and Texas State are probably in the $4 to $5 million per year range, excluding capital expenditures.

A true accounting of these figures are hard to come-by in most cases. Nobody likes to publicize them and stir things up.

[UNT_playmaker]

Shit Ohio State Shit

[Arkstfan]

According to an Indianapolis Star study, the AVERAGE Division I school has to have $5 million in either government or internal support either from straight budget transfers or student fees. Remember that average is held down by schools like LSU and Michigan that take zero dollars from the government, the institution or student fees.

[Go_UTA]

BTW, my figures above don't include student fees. If you added-in student fees, the figures would be higher.

Basically sources of athletic department support are:

1) athletic department generated (ticket sales, TV revenue, concessions, advertising, booster club gifts, etc.)

2) student fees

3) general funds of the university (from tuition and/or auxiliary enterprise income from dormitories, book stores, etc.) This is what I am talking about in my above post in terms of "red ink" or "general funds." These are the most "sensitive" dollars, and are usually hardest to get a handle on because the institutions don't want to talk about it. Except for the existence of the deficit, these are the dollars that otherwise would have gone to teaching, research, and or student services.

[Arkstfan]

The Indy Star numbers include FBS, FCS, and non-football Division I schools.

There are schools out there that don't spend but about $5 million total. UNC-Asheville spent $3.1 million their entire athletic department and $2.1 million of it came from student fees and government/university funds. Nichols State spent $3.6 million wit $2.5 coming from the school.

At the other end of spectrum Houston spent $22.6 million, $3.5 million from student fees and $8.9 million from the school.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Flood control issue...

Edited August 15, 2007 by PlummMeanGreen

[PlummMeanGreen]

It shows the overall athletics budget so it could really go anywhere. It is a little depressing but as TD brings more money into the program we'll spend more

REVISED ON A VERY HOT WEDNESDAY MORNING...

Larger Stadium + Larger Gate Receipts ='s A Larger Annual UNT Athletic Budget

Subtopic: UNT Schedules OOC Games in Larger Stadium With Schools Known For Thousands of Traveling Fans. (A Luxury We've Rarely Had Most of Our Mean Green Game Day Football History).

How can this happen in light of our past which a few of our elect (seemedly) & reluctantly refuse to let go? How 'bout projecting a future which will mean about 30,000 more new fans/new faces than are registered with GoMeanGreen.com for starters?

Instead of us becoming another Small Stadium U (which if you haven't noticed are a dime a dozen in the non-BCS and with too many of these Small Stadium U's giving good D1-A football coaching talent another reason to leave because they and their football staffs simply want to play before larger audiences. NOTE: That was one of the reasons Hayden Fry gave as a reason he left for the Big 10.

Anyway, because of a Larger Stadium at the Mean Green Village, UNT finally starts leaving our past behind while projecting dramatic growth with expectations for having a growing fan base because of all the future growth. By doing this, we prove to all our Doubting Thomases (of which we have many across the great Southwest) that (in Mean Green Country) we really do have serious & legitimate plans to leave our Bottom 25 annual co-existance behind while becoming a perennial Top 25 football program which will create a larger athletic budget for our dear ol' alma mater.

So.....................again............how does UNT do this? Well..............IMHO............we do this by scheduling 2 major OOC games each Fall in Denton with schools like UT-Austin, a la U of Central Florida-- and speaking of UT vs UCF, folks, if UCF can schedule the Horns at their new home digs who among you thinks Rick V could not do the same for us in Denton)? UT has been pretty darn "schedule friendly" with UNT for decades with that beginning during the Fry era when we had our first series of football games with the Longhorns; so for sure, there is a history there that suggests we could get them to Denton; that is, if we don't, uh, "build it" ...................... too small.

Also, instead of going with the usual "non-BCS status quo" with a Smaller Stadium we elect to build a Larger Stadium in Denton which finally for the first time in our on-campus history allows UNT to get home and home schedules with Texas A&M, Texas Tech; as well as U of Houston, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and............OU and Nebraska? And why not OU? The Horned Frogs booked the Sooners in the Metroplex at their own Amon Carter Stadium a few years ago; with Larger Stadium UNT also schedules several other Big State U's with traveling fan bases because they need a game or 2 or 3 in blue chip-rich Texas).

Yes, to some this could be an over-simplication of a way we could solve our present smallish athletic budget, but such the kind of simplicity of which I hope we wouldn't stumble over because we can't leave our past behind due to our continueing to project all our tomorrow's based on all our yesterdays, ie, coupled with way too many of our athletic staff from said past who could hardly be classified as NCAA Division 1-A caliber. (Where are they now might even give a hint to that theory). And what further proof? How 'bout merely checking out any UNT athletic media guide showing our progress (or lack thereof) as well as our national rankings (or lack thereof) of the last 25 years being one helluva' source for starters?

GMG!

Edited August 15, 2007 by PlummMeanGreen

[GreenEddieNT]

REVISED ON A VERY HOT WEDNESDAY MORNING...

Larger Stadium + Larger Gate Receipts ='s A Larger Annual UNT Athletic Budget

Subtopic: UNT Schedules OOC Games in Larger Stadium With Schools Known For Thousands of Traveling Fans. (A Luxury We've Rarely Had Most of Our Mean Green Game Day Football History).

How can this happen in light of our past which a few of our elect (seemedly) & reluctantly refuse to let go? How 'bout projecting a future which will mean about 30,000 more new fans/new faces than are registered with GoMeanGreen.com for starters?

Instead of us becoming another Small Stadium U (which if you haven't noticed are a dime a dozen in the non-BCS and with too many of these Small Stadium U's giving good D1-A football coaching talent another reason to leave because they and their football staffs simply want to play before larger audiences. NOTE: That was one of the reasons Hayden Fry gave as a reason he left for the Big 10.

Anyway, because of a Larger Stadium at the Mean Green Village, UNT finally starts leaving our past behind while projecting dramatic growth with expectations for having a growing fan base because of all the future growth. By doing this, we prove to all our Doubting Thomases (of which we have many across the great Southwest) that (in Mean Green Country) we really do have serious & legitimate plans to leave our Bottom 25 annual co-existance behind while becoming a perennial Top 25 football program which will create a larger athletic budget for our dear ol' alma mater.

So.....................again............how does UNT do this? Well..............IMHO............we do this by scheduling 2 major OOC games each Fall in Denton with schools like UT-Austin, a la U of Central Florida-- and speaking of UT vs UCF, folks, if UCF can schedule the Horns at their new home digs who among you thinks Rick V could not do the same for us in Denton)? UT has been pretty darn "schedule friendly" with UNT for decades with that beginning during the Fry era when we had our first series of football games with the Longhorns; so for sure, there is a history there that suggests we could get them to Denton; that is, if we don't, uh, "build it" ...................... too small.

Also, instead of going with the usual "non-BCS status quo" with a Smaller Stadium we elect to build a Larger Stadium in Denton which finally for the first time in our on-campus history allows UNT to get home and home schedules with Texas A&M, Texas Tech; as well as U of Houston, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, Iowa State and............OU and Nebraska? And why not OU? The Horned Frogs booked the Sooners in the Metroplex at their own Amon Carter Stadium a few years ago; with Larger Stadium UNT also schedules several other Big State U's with traveling fan bases because they need a game or 2 or 3 in blue chip-rich Texas).

Yes, to some this could be an over-simplication of a way we could solve our present smallish athletic budget, but such the kind of simplicity of which I hope we wouldn't stumble over because we can't leave our past behind due to our continueing to project all our tomorrow's based on all our yesterdays, ie, coupled with way too many of our athletic staff from said past who could hardly be classified as NCAA Division 1-A caliber. (Where are they now might even give a hint to that theory). And what further proof? How 'bout merely checking out any UNT athletic media guide showing our progress (or lack thereof) as well as our national rankings (or lack thereof) of the last 25 years being one helluva' source for starters?

GMG!

We'll get a larger stadium when and if we get a larger fan base. The reason why, as you pointed out, most non-bcs schools have small stadiums(seating 30K or less) is that most non-bcs schools have very small fan bases. Edited August 16, 2007 by GreenEddieNT

[UNTflyer]

Plumm I appreciate your passion but it's not going to happen... we've been over this before.

1) We don't have the money.

2) Even if we did, we don't have the fan base to justify it. Do you really wanna build a stadium just so we can accomodate visiting fans? Do you want our stadium to be burnt orange when UT visits?

3) We don't have the money.

4) The school has already decided on a stadium of about 30k.

5) We don't have the money.

Now, that being said even if Dodge does what we want him to... he wins consistently, brings home a few SBC championships, increases average attendance to 25k, and even has a couple bowl victories... what happens when he leaves?

We are going to need high attendance for a sustained period of time to justify a 40-50k stadium. And the stadium that will be built will be expandable, unlike Fouts field.

Get the expandable stadium built, get the attendance up, then we can talk seriously about a large stadium.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Plumm I appreciate your passion but it's not going to happen... we've been over this before.

1) We don't have the money.

2) Even if we did, we don't have the fan base to justify it. Do you really wanna build a stadium just so we can accomodate visiting fans? Do you want our stadium to be burnt orange when UT visits?

3) We don't have the money.

4) The school has already decided on a stadium of about 30k.

5) We don't have the money.

Now, that being said even if Dodge does what we want him to... he wins consistently, brings home a few SBC championships, increases average attendance to 25k, and even has a couple bowl victories... what happens when he leaves?

We are going to need high attendance for a sustained period of time to justify a 40-50k stadium. And the stadium that will be built will be expandable, unlike Fouts field.

Get the expandable stadium built, get the attendance up, then we can talk seriously about a large stadium.

UNTflyer, we're only 10,000 apart on the stadium part and..............hold it now, you mean we have no money? Guess that is why we have a "pull out all the stops" fundraising team effort happening now, right? (One can only hope on the "pull out all the stops" part, of course).

PS: An initial 35,000 seat stadium would exceed most expectations from this present group on campus; but hopefully, TDodge can tie us into the kind of heavy-hitters that all his past & present Texas ties may possibly produce? And also............have we given up on the Goldfields in all this stadium business already?

I think buildng a smaller capacity stadium than our present one would be making the kind of statement we just don't need to be making at North Texas right now. I mean how many conferences better than the one we're in now would have to think twice about a school our size and in the mega-population center it is located doing such an ass-backward kind of thing as that? Wouldn't we all be able to hear the snickers and laughter of our fellow Texicans everywhere by doing such a thing?

Edited August 16, 2007 by PlummMeanGreen

[UNTflyer]

As I said before, building the capacity you want would require an upper bowl section which would drastically increase costs... and that is the money we don't have and most likely can't raise. Just a 10,000 seat difference could mean 2 or 2.5 times the initial estimate of $55 million. Put simply... you can't fit 40-45k seats in a single tier horseshoe design stadium.

And I'd love to see 35k, but if the school insists on the horseshoe design, we're probably looking at 30k max.

And no, I don't think it sends the wrong message to build a 30k seat stadium. Our current 30,500 seat stadium is only made possible by crappy bleacher end zone seats in which nobody sits. A nice, well-built 30k stadium would be fine.

UCF as a model.. they played in the Citrus Bowl... capacity of 70,000. Now they are moving to a smaller stadium. It's quality, not quantity. We don't have the space, the money, or the fan base to justify a stadium of this size. UCF has been averaging over 30k in attendance for years... THAT is how you get the big stadium. Nobody in Div-I has been succesful at the "if you build it, they will come" plan.

Bright House Stadium

Edited August 16, 2007 by UNTflyer

[meangreenfreak]

Don't you just love it when any thread can become a new stadium thread?

I wish we would build a new freak'n stadiums just so we can quit talking about it.

What will talk about then? How we need an indoor practice facility? How we need additional parking at the new stadium? How about a new golf course at NT? I'm sure we can come up with something to keep our conjecturing minds working.

[NTPhiKap99]

I wish we would build a new freak'n stadiums just so we can quit talking about it.

But then what would we talk about. The board may get kinda quiet if we build a new stadium.

[Cowtown]

Froggies are tops of the non BCS schools w. 37mil...just below them is SMU @ 32mil.

Is there anyone getting less bang for their buck than SMU?

[Cr1028]

Froggies are tops of the non BCS schools w. 37mil...just below them is SMU @ 32mil.

Is there anyone getting less bang for their buck than SMU?

I was noticeing that they were the 2 top non-BCS money schools. They have 2.5 times the budget we have. Imagine where we could go with that kind of money.

[Arkstfan]

Memphis has 65,000 seats without any decks. The Rose Bowl has 105,000 seats with no decks.

So its physically possible.

However the real money in college athletics is in having too few seats, not too many. You are better off turning 1,000 people away than you are selling those 1,000 seats and having surplus capacity.