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$28 Million Locker Room Renovation-Say what??

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57 minutes ago, greenminer said:

We've played 5 money games in a single season? New news to me.

Look at the seasons '96 to '99.

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In 1995 we played Missouri, LSU,Kansas, Oregon State, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Louisville, going 2&9.1996,Arizona State,Army,Vanderbilt,& Texas A&M.1997,Vanderbilt,Oregon State,Texas  A&M, Texas Tech, & Army.!998,Oklahoma,Texas Tech,Arizona State,Texas A&M,Houston, and Kansas. 1999, LSU,Texas Tech, Baylor,& TCU. Beginning in 2000 we played only 2 or 3 money games a year. Because of lack of financial support from administration, and pocket change from alumni money games were the only way we could field a team.

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On 1/16/2020 at 9:59 AM, El Paso Eagle said:

If anything the gap will continue to grow.

Nothing says guaranteeing a gap like putting G5 schools in an official different league/division from P5's. 

We may not have a $20m locker room renovation this summer, but technically UNT could play Clemson in the National Championship next year.  What's more important: UNT being the media darling of the new FBS-Lite and getting Clemson-esque off-season articles about facilities expansions?... Or North Texas trying to regularly break the top 25 ceiling of a full 130 FBS team league and being in the best position for the PAC12/BIG12 blow up to come?

You think App State wants a FBS-Lite?  What about LA Tech or UAB?  Guaran-damn-tee there's no "Let's be the best runner up!" conversation among those fan bases.

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20 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Look at the seasons '96 to '99.

We need a vomit 🤢 🤮 emoji option in the reactions. That is how I felt about that part of our history. At least we were back in D1/FBS. 

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Like it or not, realignment is coming when TV contracts expire in the next few years, and it will effect major conferences as well. For example,no one wants to watch Rutgers , so will they be cut out of Big 10 TV contract? If so,does that mean Big 10 gives them a share of the revenue earned., or drops them from the conference? Goals need to be realistic and obtainable with a little pie in the sky. In my opinion its unrealistic to think that any G5 program can compete at a P5 level playing a P5 schedule. The CUSA West was the worst division in the worst conference in the nation , and La. Tech and UAB were basically the top of the crud .La. Monroe has an athletic budget of about $15 million, while UT's is about $100 million more. Do you really think they belong in the same division?

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At some point in the near future I believe the the top 40-50 programs (and no, I am not really sure how they will determine the cut-off) will separate from what we currently know as the NCAA and form a "Super" league. Basically taking the majority of the money with them and in-turn, basically run a professional, paid league for college football.

What we need to do is continue to improve facilities and infrastructure and put ourselves in the best possible position for the "next" level.  

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58 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

At some point in the near future I believe the the top 40-50 programs (and no, I am not really sure how they will determine the cut-off) will separate from what we currently know as the NCAA and form a "Super" league. Basically taking the majority of the money with them and in-turn, basically run a professional, paid league for college football.

Those schools have no interest in doing that.

  1. They already have full control of FBS level rules.  The P5 conferences can announce, vote on, and adapt/reject rules for all FBS schools with the G5 having no say in the matter.
  2. They already have all the media money.  Not only that, the media companies are in so deep they have to keep promoting the P5 gospel for it to be worth the money they spent.
  3. The same companies who control broadcast/cable tv control the streaming platforms that are interested in carrying sports.  The stream only companies (like Netflix) have little interest in sports because there is zero rewatch on that library.
  4. They already have full control of the "FBS playoff" and all the fame/money that brings.
  5. They get to pad their records by keeping the G5 at the same level as them.
  6. MOST IMPORTANTLY IT HELPS THEM KEEP THE "AMATEUR" FACADE. 

Why would they risk all that, what does forming a professional league get them?

  1. They will probably lose some fan base as it goes from being an "amateur" to professional league.  Professional status is where leagues go to be slaughtered by the NFL.
  2. All those amateur that play the games will become EMPLOYEES.  Employees have all sorts of protections that student athletes don't.  You would also become legally responsible for the injuries that college football players pick up.
  3. In certain states, those employees will get to unionize and collectively bargain.   That will kill the smaller programs in those states but give the bigger programs a huge advantage.

 

The P5 already won.  They control everything, get all the money, with no labor to contend with.  They are in the position they have worked decades to get into.  Yes, some P5 schools will get trimmed.  But they still need the student athlete facade, they have repeatedly fought in court to claim they are NOT PROFESSIONAL. 

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4 hours ago, Cerebus said:

Those schools have no interest in doing that.

  1. They already have full control of FBS level rules.  The P5 conferences can announce, vote on, and adapt/reject rules for all FBS schools with the G5 having no say in the matter.
  2. They already have all the media money.  Not only that, the media companies are in so deep they have to keep promoting the P5 gospel for it to be worth the money they spent.
  3. The same companies who control broadcast/cable tv control the streaming platforms that are interested in carrying sports.  The stream only companies (like Netflix) have little interest in sports because there is zero rewatch on that library.
  4. They already have full control of the "FBS playoff" and all the fame/money that brings.
  5. They get to pad their records by keeping the G5 at the same level as them.
  6. MOST IMPORTANTLY IT HELPS THEM KEEP THE "AMATEUR" FACADE. 

Why would they risk all that, what does forming a professional league get them?

  1. They will probably lose some fan base as it goes from being an "amateur" to professional league.  Professional status is where leagues go to be slaughtered by the NFL.
  2. All those amateur that play the games will become EMPLOYEES.  Employees have all sorts of protections that student athletes don't.  You would also become legally responsible for the injuries that college football players pick up.
  3. In certain states, those employees will get to unionize and collectively bargain.   That will kill the smaller programs in those states but give the bigger programs a huge advantage.

 

The P5 already won.  They control everything, get all the money, with no labor to contend with.  They are in the position they have worked decades to get into.  Yes, some P5 schools will get trimmed.  But they still need the student athlete facade, they have repeatedly fought in court to claim they are NOT PROFESSIONAL. 

They may not have a choice. When new tv contracts come we will probably see new players, such as Amazon. Apple, etc. They and the rest of media corporations could cherry pick existing conferences and determine new ones based upon tv ratings.  The reality is that whether G5 programs are an "official" lower classification than the P 5's in reality they are.

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Just now, wardly said:

They may not have a choice. When new tv contracts come we will probably see new players, such as Amazon. Apple, etc. They and the rest of media corporations could cherry pick existing conferences and determine new ones based upon tv ratings.  The reality is that whether G5 programs are an "official" lower classification than the P 5's in reality they are.

How does that change anything?  New players come in and pay the P5 money.  G5 get crumbs.  

Yes, conference memberships may change, but those schools are going to desperately want to keep the "amateur status" shield.   They are not willingly going to give that up, only court action would force them too, and they have successfully fought that fight for decades now.

 

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Didn't the state of California recently pass legislation allowing for compensation to athletics? I think that at some point an injured athletic is going to win a workman's comp. case against a university that will result in classifying them as employees.

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16 minutes ago, wardly said:

Didn't the state of California recently pass legislation allowing for compensation to athletics? I think that at some point an injured athletic is going to win a workman's comp. case against a university that will result in classifying them as employees.

California passed a law stating that NCAA student athletes retain their Name and Likeness rights.  

I agree that a court may force the NCAA to give up the amateur student athlete facade, but the P5 are not going to voluntarily do it.  They have the exact system they want right now.

 

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2 hours ago, Cerebus said:

California passed a law stating that NCAA student athletes retain their Name and Likeness rights.  

I agree that a court may force the NCAA to give up the amateur student athlete facade, but the P5 are not going to voluntarily do it.  They have the exact system they want right now.

 

You are 100% correct. I still think Workman's Comp. is going to be the NCAA's silver bullet .

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