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This a well deserved nomination! Hope they win!!! Outstanding Program Series: University of North Texas | Beyond The Green: North Texas Football 2013 Outstanding Special Feature: University of North Texas | From War Vet to Defensive End

Doesn't the number of players drafted provide a snapshot of a program's recruiting success and failure some 3-4 years ago rather than the state of a program at present? Sure, Texas didn't have any players drafted, but their head coach had 3 taken in the first round, so if I'm a UT alum, I'm optimistic about the present and the future - and I'm moving on from the past. Similarly, as a UNT alum, I'll be more disappointed if we don't see some guys go in next year's and that of 2016, than I am regarding this year's draft. Our momentum is upward, we are moving forward. That projects positively for the future, which will be reflected in the level of talent across the board, as well as subsequent NFL drafts.

I was in New York at Madison Square Garden for the draft when Cody Spencer got drafted in 2004 on day 2 in the 6th round. We had skipped a Yankees game to take in the 2nd day of the draft because we loved the first day so much. I yelled and clapped like a proud fool, in a room full of silence after the selection was made. It was very exciting to me. That's me rocking the Moon jersey...

"Derek Thompson‏@DerekThompson_710m Just to clear things up, I've been invited to the Denver Broncos mini camp. Thankful for the opportunity and can't wait to compete! QBs work"

Really? You have schadenfreude because the Horns don't have a draft pick for the first time in 77 years (Longest streak of any school in the country) when we haven't had a draft pick in how many years??? Glass Houses dude.

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Sadly, I just don't care, and that is worse than being pissed off. Bring on football.

What a party killer...thank you. GMG

This is the best way to deal with the CUSA mandate to not have students directly behind the visitor's bench - fill the first few rows with recent grads! How many rows are the students being pushed back, anyway?

Yes sir. 100%

i like the deal and the location, especially for new grads that don't have families....they get to be back with the students where they cut their teeth!

Thoughts?

http://www.chargers.com/news/article-1/Chargers-Agree-to-Terms-with-17-Rookie-Free-Agents/bafbef67-ab54-4cbf-87a9-8b425609cfc8 Here's a list of Free Agents WR signed by San Diego (what matters in regards to Brelan): Brelan's edge is obviously his special teams ability. Danny Woodhead was fielding kick returns last year for SD he averages just 21.8 yards per attempt on 12 attempts. Woodheads longest return was 37 yards. It was good enough for 36th best KR in the league. San Diego ranked a weak #26 as a team in the returns category. So i think Brelan is a really calculated signing. Keenan Allen fielded 15 punt attempts with an average of 8.3 yards per return. He was the #31 best returner in the league. Great receiver for them though, 1,046 yards on 71 catches. He should have no problem stealing the return spotlight, it will allow the other two guys to focus on the offensive piece. Woodhead, Allen, Gates were the biggest producers last year. A footnote is Eddie Royal, he's their #2 receiver and has great return potential. He recently restructured his deal in the off-season so he could stay in San Diego. He caught 47 passes for 631 yards. Brelan could break into the receiving core but i don't think that's why he's there, which I think is a double-edge sword. He has a niche, i hope they give him a shot to expand out with it. Other recievers: 16 Seyi Ajirotutu WR 26 6-3 215 5 Fresno State 86 Vincent Brown WR 25 5-11 190 4 San Diego State 80 Malcom Floyd WR 32 6-5 225 9 Wyoming 73 Dontrelle Inman WR 25 6-3 198 R Virginia --Tobais Palmer WR 24 5-11 178 1 North Carolina State 16 Tevin Reese WR -- 5-11 163 R Baylor

OK, everyone step away from the cliff...for today.

If this is the roster we go into 2014-2015 with (far from guaranteed, based on the past): PG - Chris Jones, Todd Eaglin, GWP SG - Mo Aniefiok/TJ Taylor, C. Ward, GWP, D. Harris SF - Jordan Williams, Greg Wesley/Aniefiok, Muhammed Ahmed PF - Muhammad Ahmed, Jeremy Combs/Wesley PF - Colin Voss, Armani Flannigan 6th man: Who ever isn't starting between Taylor and Aniefiok. I've never seen Combs show any small forward skills like ball handling or scoring much from outside the paint. Cooley, who's seen him play live confirmed this. I don't see him at SF. As for Wesley, he has the skill set to play SF but he needs a lot of work refining his dribbling and shooting. The ability is there though, hence all those offers he had. But we'll need him in the post too.

https://twitter.com/miller_tonja/status/465883593944756225https://twitter.com/brettvito/status/465894971623481344 Miller time in New Orleans! Go Drew!

Monday morning notes (Wesley still at UNT, hoops assistant Anwar to decide soon, UNT TE Drew Miller to mini camp): http://t.co/8keHVemfFm — Brett Vito (@brettvito) May 12, 2014 Wesley still current member of team

I'll be in the chat all day today if you want to ask questions.

The deal is here! Call/Email today!

For what it's worth, Brelan made the NFL.com All-Undrafted Team. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349528/article/jordan-lynch-jackson-jeffcoat-lead-2014-allundrafted-team

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I agree with Gray Eagle, it is not where you start but where you finish. Why are many people publicly stating our coaching staff does not know how to recruit just because utSA has 9 commitments listed and UNT has no recruits publicly committed. WTH? Why the heck are these people measuring our recruiting success as compared to the road chickens? These people need to stop constantly publicly comparing our coaches recruiting efforts against other schools coaches recruiting efforts. Cry-- cry-- cry-- we have no commitments! Oh no, the sky is falling! It is the coaches fault we have no commitments to show off! These people need to trust in coach Mac, and trust in his staff! Since these recruiting experts know more about recruiting, then by all means go talk to the coaches yourself and complain we have no commitments. Instruct the coaches on the in's and out's of successful recruiting. Tell'em how to do it! Your the experts on recruiting. Apparently, the staff will recruit previously committed players to flip over to NT! This shows me the staff has no fear when recruiting the people they want! I will say this now. The 2015 class will be the best Coach Mac class since Coach Mac arrived. The classes just keep getting better and better each year! Remember NT already has 7-8, D1 transfers on the team that will count against the 2015 class. Plus several gray shirts too! I would say these players count as commitments for the 2015 class. I will say NT is in very good shape for the 2015 class now, and will become much better as this recruiting year progresses through to February 2015.

get off the ledge, man. we'll get our recruits.

6' 200 lb linebacker from Richland high school in NRH. First team all district 4-5A last year as a junior. Was named sportday DFW player of the week for the week of October 28th after making 14 tackles, 3 sacks, a pass broken up, and a forced fumble against Keller Central. Plays outside lb in a 3-4 scheme, so plays a lot by the line of scrimmage. Hard hitter. We appear to be his first offer. Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1351810/hayden-davidson

Signed with Denver.

I was apprehensive that perhaps I missed on a deal since I secured my tickets a few days before you teased these, but I'm good now. I'm still getting a great bargain though for two S208 seats + parking pass for ~$300.

Let's just agree to leave Darrell Dickey in the past and move on.

Appreciate the info on Wesley, but I guess NT has broke a rule because he has been listed most of the year in the roster. Also Jones and Williams were never removed from the roster.

QBs – C Like a box full of chocolates, UNT has no idea what it’s going to get with Andrew McNulty and Josh Greer, who are in position to take over the starting job. A fair grade considering the "unknown factor" of this position. But since I rated McNulty better than Thompson last year coming out of the spring, I'm not as concerned as other people. Plus we have all summer for Means and Greer to get more "comfortable." RBs – B UNT has a ton of good prospects and two proven players in Antoinne Jimmerson and Reggie Pegram. Does UNT have C-USA elite back? That remains to be seen. Also a fair grade. And I stick with my previous assessment that this is the deepest we've been in "viable" RB's in just about ever. In other words, we can have a rash of injuries and the talent level won't drop off like it could have (and to a certain extend did) back in the Cobbs/Thomas days. DL – C UNT lost four key players who started nearly the entire year and will look to rebuild around defensive end Daryl Mason. UNT might not have a bigger concern that its defensive front. About a month or so ago I might have agreed with this, but not so much now. I'm thinking more like C+ or B- . We won't miss Brelan for his pass catching abilities per se. We'll miss him for his special teams play. For clutch pass catching, we need to replace Darnell Smith more than anyone else. I saw flashes of him in Brown( #87 ) and Chelf (#31) during spring practice and the spring game.

This discussion is not bad offseason discussion at all. Let me address 2 things: 1. The star system. "Billy's first law of following recruiting" states that any and all discussion about stars and the star system will eventually lead to a debate about whether or not stars mean anything. Outlier type players who were lowly rated/unrated or statistics of how higher ranked players are more likely to succeed will then be used to back up either side of the argument. The truth is, stars mean nothing for an individual player. They have nothing to do with how successfull a player will be. But there is evidence to suggest that higher rated players are more likely to succeed. For every Khalil Mack or Eric Fisher, there are hundreds of two stars who never start or even play meaningful snaps throughout their career. Yes there are a lot of politics involved with the star system. Especially if you're going to look at rivals. They're industry is run by teams' rivals sites and subscriptions to those sites. Why bump a deserving player of our ours, like Fonzale Davis, to a 3-star when we give them no pressure and a school with a sub site on rivals is pestering them to bump their 2-star up to 3? Rivals is the best IMO for the top 250 national type kids. But for us, we're more likely to get more love from 247, ESPN, and now scout with our boy Gabe Brooks doing a great job and giving us some attention. 2. Comparing our staff to other staffs. We will and should be compared to other staffs as long as we're playing them or recruiting against them. Yeah getting 2-star guys with no other offers is not necessarily a bad thing, and he might end up being a stud. But don't believe that those guys are on the top of the coaches' boards. There's a very high chance that the guys the coaches want most are also coveted by other schools. You have to win battles to get the guys you want most. As for the early commit argument at the beginning. Of course how you finish is more important than how you start. The impressive thing about the early commits is that the coaches from UTSA and such are selling their program to these kids. If you've been reading Vito's recruiting series, a lot of our targets are going to wait through the summer, into their senior season, or after it's over to make a decision. This is very common among kids waiting to see if they can get bigger offers before they commit. The difference is, other schools' coaches are convincing these kids that they don't need to wait. Commit now, because this is the school for you, regardless of who might offer you down the line. Being able to sell the program to that extent is how you're able to win the battles and get who you want. I trust this staff to win games and field a competitive team. But if you follow recruiting as close as I do, you see things that you wouldn't just from looking at our class on signing day. Our coaches are behind the curve of present day recruiting. Doesn't mean we can't sign a good class, beat teams out for recruits, and win games.

Proud of both of these guys. Didn't take long!

That's what makes landing 3 stars in CUSA that much sweeter. Hate to break it down like this but a 3* to most CUSA teams is equivalent to a most P5 schools landing a 4*. Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, Utah, Wazzou, NC St, Wake, etc. land as many 4* as we do 3*, and I mean 4* out of the gate. A 5* to the above named schools would be equivalent to us or other CUSA schools snagging a 4*. It doesn't happen, and when it does it's rare. We have to aim at making our recruiting classes dominantly 3*. In hand we would have a legitimate punchers against anybody. Settling 2* and NR's will get allow us to be a mid-major program. Consistently landing 3* will bring a very bright future. The proof is in the pudding. I know that stars and ratings get tweaked throughout the recruiting season due to offer lists and school interest, but look at the mid-majors that consistently land those 3*, you will see them winning their conference and/or being an annual force within their conference. Toledo, Bowling Green, Boise, NIU, Marshal, ECU, Houston, etc. They bring in the 3* on a consistent basis and against the their conference foes they are consistently winning, and a couple of those schools beat P5's consistently as well.

Oh... Ok?

That's all well and good, but where the hell am I supposed to cast with all the lakes dried up?

If true, how many freshman has Benford been able to recruit and successfully get into the court -- ZERO???

Right the NFL used to have 17 rounds in the draft. So the players that would have been taken in those last 10 rounds are now taken as undrafted players. This year ,so far, West Texas has had 7 players signed.

Considering I emailed Rivals 2 years ago, and they admitted to raising and lowering stars ratings based on who a player signed with or who was recruiting them and not on an evaluation or a projection of their potential, I disreguard their ratings as BS below the 4 star level. I would rather wait and see how a player performs over his career. I could put together a long list of players that were highly rated and never did much on the college level.

It suggests nothing of the kind. It has been at least since the Fry era that UNT has made any significant impact on the NFL draft. Please quit repeating that goofy mantra that suggests players such as Lance Dunbar, Brelan Chancellor, Zach Orr, Mason Y'Barbo, etc. made no worthwhile contributions to the program.

Was there suppose to be someone drafted? I guess I got out of the out the loop and focused more on basketball. I knew Braylon had a good chance of being signed after the draft but didn't know if anyone else even had a chance for that. (Just based in what I had read online months ago though)

Don't worry . . . our camel's got a very sturdy back.

I saw Johnny Jones texting while driving

https://twitter.com/C__Robertson/status/464817085131272193

This Jones kid is a recruit for next year's class. He's still got another year left at his JUCO. That's why Brett put this in the recruiting forum and not the basketball forum.

We offered.

Some of the time. But I would argue that the vast majority of the time it is unenforced.

Ordered two tickets yesterday. Will hold off on travel plans until game time is known. Ticket office does not yet know where UNT section will be, but said it will be open seating (no assigned seats) within that section.

Thanks for the response, Harry. I guess it's a matter of personal preference, but I would prefer that new posts in this thread show up in new content. IMO, the fact that there isn't much traffic in it makes it all the more helpful if it shows up in new content. That is, someone is not very likely to regularly check a specific forum that rarely has anything in it. And if there isn't that much in it, it's not as if it's going to crowd up the "New Content" page.

I know this is a little late, but Cyril Lemon is predicted to be a 4th/5th rounder next year by this website: http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9064 A lot can happen between now and then to move up/down draft boards, but this is a good sign. More websites will evaluate him the closer we get to next football season, it will be interesting to see what the consensus is on his draft stock. More comments on Lemon(scroll down) http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/08/19/2014-pre-season-all-small-schoolindependent-nfl-draft-prospect-team/ Listed as top 15 underclassmen for interior OL: http://gridironperspective.com/2013/10/15/2014-nfl-draft-midseason-prospect-rankings/