Less Mistakes Argument...

[Cooley]

I keep hearing about BB having problems with Chico's system. At what point do we simplify the system? Or, install a system/plays to play to his strengths? Our running game is not a threat to win games (with Byrd) and puts too much pressure on Thompson to win with his arm. That aint going to happen over the course of the season. He is also very immobile. We just need to find a way to have Burgland on the field 75% of the game and stop making excuses. (Coaches and fans)

[ragpicker]

Young players try to do too much. They don't know when to throw the ball away.

Hence the concern about mistakes.

I remember Thompson throwing the ball away,UNT90, in the Troy game last year on the dipsy-doodle. He threw it WAY away from anything.

[GL2Greatness]

I keep hearing about BB having problems with Chico's system. At what point do we simplify the system? Or, install a system/plays to play to his strengths? Our running game is not a threat to win games (with Byrd) and puts too much pressure on Thompson to win with his arm. That aint going to happen over the course of the season. He is also very immobile. We just need to find a way to have Burgland on the field 75% of the game and stop making excuses. (Coaches and fans)

what kind of an idiot coach changes a system to suit a player that has proven nothing to anyone since high school

here is why bb is not on the field

http://www.denverpost.com/cu/ci_23285021/cu-buffs-signing-jordan-gehrke-adds-drama-qb

Go ahead and scoff at Scottsdale's nickname, but don't scoff at the Artichokes' level of play. In earning the starting job last season, Gehrke not only beat out Hawaii transfer Kevin Spain but also Brock Berglund, Valor Christian High's ballyhooed QB who transferred in from Kansas.

so after an exhaustive global intergalactic search for the ultimate fit for brock that was a pure business decision he wound up at SCC and then when he could not beat out a kid that was listed at SCC as 6'-1" and 186 and went 22TDs VS 14 ints suddenly "something came up" and he packed up his press clippings and left

and the article says he was 6'-0" 165# with a dead arm coming out of high school....so when a guy that is 6'-4" 215 and that works out with guys that work with the pros when the pros are on strike and that compares himself to Vick, Tebow, and Manning can't compete with that "something comes up" and he transfers yet again away from the community college that he hand picked from MILLIONS of offers as his best fit and based on his wisdom of ages learned from past mistakes going to KU ect.

and now the guy that was 6'-0" and 165# out of high school with little or no major offers is at Colorado competing for a starting job.....the school that bb decided against and picked KU over instead and now bb is in Denton his 3rd stop in less than 3 years with a hurting hammy and competing for 3rd string

at some point you have to ask when do the high school press clippings stop having meaning and when does the guy with all the hype actually step up and EARN playing time.....unless you are the type that thinks you need to change an offense and hand the starting position to a guy that has shown nothing but a propensity to walk away when the time comes to step up and actually prove something on the field or even in practice

at what point do you have to face the reality that 3 D1-A head coaches and 3 D1-A OCs have had a chance to "see bb in action".....ok well a very limited chance because when it came time to actually step up and practice bb was nowhere to be found and then a community college head coach and OC had a chance to actually see bb in action and they went with the 6'-1" 186# guy that was said to have a dead arm out of high school and now that guy is playing for a team in the PAC 12 (even if it is a crappy one and the team that bb had committed to early on) and he is going to try and compete to earn a starting position or playing time

is it really that hard to grasp that multiple people with experience in the college and even pro ranks are looking at bb and telling him that he actually has to do something to EARN playing time besides show them his high school press clippings and that after they tell that to bb he disappears and reappears somewhere else because "something came up"

but yea lets not only toss him the ball and make him a starter lets go ahead and change the offense to suit him as well .....that would really be great for team moral and work ethics

bb could be the greatest QB on the face of the earth, but no coach in their right mind is going to hand him a position or change an offense to suit him until he can PROVE that to them and high school press clippings and the inability to actually show up for practices at all or at full strength is not proving anything to anyone.....but it is getting a lot of others that do just that playing time, offers, spots to transfer to and play, and playing time when the starter falters and at many of the places that bb walked away from

Did you voice Charlie Brown's teacher in the cartoons? Because, honestly, that's all I hear when I read your posts.

of course it sounds like that to you....you are incapable of hearing what you don't want to hear no matter the truth of what you are being told

Edited July 6, 2013 by GL2Greatness

[emmitt01]

what kind of an idiot coach changes a system to suit a player that has proven nothing to anyone since high school

here is why bb is not on the field

http://www.denverpost.com/cu/ci_23285021/cu-buffs-signing-jordan-gehrke-adds-drama-qb

Go ahead and scoff at Scottsdale's nickname, but don't scoff at the Artichokes' level of play. In earning the starting job last season, Gehrke not only beat out Hawaii transfer Kevin Spain but also Brock Berglund, Valor Christian High's ballyhooed QB who transferred in from Kansas.

so after an exhaustive global intergalactic search for the ultimate fit for brock that was a pure business decision he wound up at SCC and then when he could not beat out a kid that was listed at SCC as 6'-1" and 186 and went 22TDs VS 14 ints suddenly "something came up" and he packed up his press clippings and left

and the article says he was 6'-0" 165# with a dead arm coming out of high school....so when a guy that is 6'-4" 215 and that works out with guys that work with the pros when the pros are on strike and that compares himself to Vick, Tebow, and Manning can't compete with that "something comes up" and he transfers yet again away from the community college that he hand picked from MILLIONS of offers as his best fit and based on his wisdom of ages learned from past mistakes going to KU ect.

and now the guy that was 6'-0" and 165# out of high school with little or no major offers is at Colorado competing for a starting job.....the school that bb decided against and picked KU over instead and now bb is in Denton his 3rd stop in less than 3 years with a hurting hammy and competing for 3rd string

at some point you have to ask when do the high school press clippings stop having meaning and when does the guy with all the hype actually step up and EARN playing time.....unless you are the type that thinks you need to change an offense and hand the starting position to a guy that has shown nothing but a propensity to walk away when the time comes to step up and actually prove something on the field or even in practice

at what point do you have to face the reality that 3 D1-A head coaches and 3 D1-A OCs have had a chance to "see bb in action".....ok well a very limited chance because when it came time to actually step up and practice bb was nowhere to be found and then a community college head coach and OC had a chance to actually see bb in action and they went with the 6'-1" 186# guy that was said to have a dead arm out of high school and now that guy is playing for a team in the PAC 12 (even if it is a crappy one and the team that bb had committed to early on) and he is going to try and compete to earn a starting position or playing time

is it really that hard to grasp that multiple people with experience in the college and even pro ranks are looking at bb and telling him that he actually has to do something to EARN playing time besides show them his high school press clippings and that after they tell that to bb he disappears and reappears somewhere else because "something came up"

but yea lets not only toss him the ball and make him a starter lets go ahead and change the offense to suit him as well .....that would really be great for team moral and work ethics

bb could be the greatest QB on the face of the earth, but no coach in their right mind is going to hand him a position or change an offense to suit him until he can PROVE that to them and high school press clippings and the inability to actually show up for practices at all or at full strength is not proving anything to anyone.....but it is getting a lot of others that do just that playing time, offers, spots to transfer to and play, and playing time when the starter falters and at many of the places that bb walked away from

of course it sounds like that to you....you are incapable of hearing what you don't want to hear no matter the truth of what you are being told

Wa wa wa wa wa....wa wa wa wa wa

[BIG DAWG]

"bb could be the greatest QB on the face of the earth, but no coach in their right mind is going to hand him a position or change an offense to suit him until he can PROVE that to them"

- GL2Greatness

So they changed the offense to get more of the QB run game because Thompson's skills all of a sudden reminded them of a smooth running zone read QB...uhhh...no

Edited July 7, 2013 by BIG DAWG

[MeanGreenHoops]

Look, our team lacks big playmakers on both sides of the ball. BB has the talent to be one, at the most important position on the team. If he gets close to DT in preparedness, he has to start.

[GrayEagle]

Why do we assume that BB will make a lot of mistakes?

Did DT make a lot of mistakes? No, and, he wasn't nearly as heralded. An admitted strength of DT is that he doesn't fumble. He is also a reasonably accurate passer. But, would you consider failure to pick up secondary receivers a mistake? How about locking in on the receiver that you are throwing to? Throwing into double-coverage? Not being deceptive with handoffs? DT doesn't make these mistakes a lot but he does make them; some more than the norm (IMO).

I do agree that the starter is yet to be determined and should be based on what happens beginning in about a month. But, to hide Berglund under a basket and say that he will make too many mistakes, that he is injury-prone, doesn't understand the system (he's been here a year) or any other lame excuse doesn't cut it. Many FBS quarterbacks have good ratings their first season and I will expect that from Brock Berglund whenever that first season occurs.

[BIG DAWG]

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He (Thompson) is also a reasonably accurate passer.

I will not give you that. His completion % numbers, which aren't incredible, are inflated by screen passes and dump offs.

I would NEVER characterize him with "accurate passer" in the same sentence....ever

Edited July 7, 2013 by BIG DAWG

[GL2Greatness]

"bb could be the greatest QB on the face of the earth, but no coach in their right mind is going to hand him a position or change an offense to suit him until he can PROVE that to them"

- GL2Greatness

So they changed the offense to get more of the QB run game because Thompson's skills all of a sudden reminded them of a smooth running zone read QB...uhhh...no

either side of your "point" does not bode well for north Texas.....if they did in fact change the offense to suit a player that has never stepped onto the field in a college game or played in 2 years that is a pretty stupid coaching move.....and it is all the more stupid in light of the fact that the player is now injured and listed as third string

and if they did change the offense to suit that player and that player is still listed as third string (injured or not) VS second string what does it say about the abilities of a player that perhaps had the offense changed to more suit their style.....yet they are still listed as the third stringer...again not an overwhelming vote of confidence and if he was not starting or listed as first string because of an injury in most every program out there that would mean a listing as second string not third string unless north Texas does something different than most programs

unless north Texas has the dumbest head coach and OC out there the reason they changed to offense was not to suit a player that has not played in two years it was to better suit what the OC is comfortable calling and working with because again if it was for a specific player so far that switch is looking very stupid right about now because that player is hurt and riding the pine 3rd string

also the specific comment I was responding to was saying dumb down and change the offense even more.....the offense that has already been changed for whatever reason (I believe it was changed to suit the OC not a single player and changing to suit the OC makes sense to suit a single player not so much) ....the offense that should already favor the guy that is right now injured and 3rd string....so again in the context of the post I was responding to dumbing down or changing the offense even more would be even more stupid because the offense already should favor the guy that is currently injured and 3rd string.....but he is injured and 3rd string right now so changing it further would just be a give up for this year and another wait until next year situation because if the guy that is injured and 3rd string is everything that some on this forum think he is then he should be able to run the offense as it is now once healthy and if not dumbing it down and hoping that in another year he can pick up more of it is just laughable

Why do we assume that BB will make a lot of mistakes?

Did DT make a lot of mistakes? No, and, he wasn't nearly as heralded. An admitted strength of DT is that he doesn't fumble. He is also a reasonably accurate passer. But, would you consider failure to pick up secondary receivers a mistake? How about locking in on the receiver that you are throwing to? Throwing into double-coverage? Not being deceptive with handoffs? DT doesn't make these mistakes a lot but he does make them; some more than the norm (IMO).

I do agree that the starter is yet to be determined and should be based on what happens beginning in about a month. But, to hide Berglund under a basket and say that he will make too many mistakes, that he is injury-prone, doesn't understand the system (he's been here a year) or any other lame excuse doesn't cut it. Many FBS quarterbacks have good ratings their first season and I will expect that from Brock Berglund whenever that first season occurs.

why do you assume that bb is worthy of being handed the starting position over others when he could not even beat out a 6'-1" 186# guy that was said to have a dead arm out of high school when competing for a starting job at the Scottsdale Community College Fighting Artichokes.....bb was there for their entire fall workouts and for their final scrimmage game and it was the first time in over a year that bb actually stepped up to compete for a position and he did not win that position he lost that competition to a guy that is 6'-1" 186# and was said to have a dead arm out of high school and had few if any D1-A offers and is now at CU of the PAC 12 competing for a starting position...the Fighting Artichokes of Scottsdale Community College was the place that bb hand picked with the wisdom of ages on his side and the place he felt he would have the greatest chance to get to start and play and that had the offense that best suited all his imaginary feats of strength and instead of winning the starting job he lost it to a 6'-1" 18# pound guy that was said to have a dead arm and instead of staying the rest of the season to compete for that position "something came up" and he transferred before the first game was even played and he has been at north Texas now for about 10 months and he is listed as 3rd string.....has he been injured this entire 10 months.....has he not been practicing at all this entire time.....do the coaches see him as a potential starter or a strong competitor to start, but because of an injury they have him at 3rd string even though most places would not put a starter listed as thirds string because of an injury they would put them as second string as worst

again why the assumption that 3 D1-A head coaches and OCs (at least one with significant NFL experience as well) and a community college head coach and OC are all wrong when they do not just hand the position to bb and even a 4th D1-A head coach and OC are supporting to a degree the decision to not start bb at the Fighting Artichokes because the guy that did get the start they offered a scholarship to and are now giving a chance to earn a starting spot and or playing time...so when bb did compete against a dead armed 186# 6'-1" QB with few if any D1-A offers out of high school for a starting position at his hand picked community college that matched all his feats of strength and mad skillz bb did not win the position and the guy that did win the position now has a PAC 12 D1-A full ride and te chance to compete for a starting position.....so it is hard to say that CC head coach and CC OC made the wrong decision because after winning the starting position at the CC the 6'-1" dead armed guy now has a D1-A PAC 12 full ride and a chance to compete to start

if you want to say DT is a terrible QB just say it and if you want to say that Turner Gill, his OC, fat Charlie and his OC, the Scottsdale HC and OC and DMac and Chico are all clueless and stupid for not handing the ball to bb and that you know better than all those that have actually watched him practice the few times he has bothered to practice and those that watched him compete in a scrimmage the one time he bothered to do that then just say it, but stop pretending that it is because bb has show anything at all what so ever that proves he has what it takes and just say you think you know better than all of those that get paid and have their jobs on the line that have not seen what you claim to have seen (which what you have seen is high school press clippings while they have actually seen him practice and work out and play.....sometimes when he feels like it)

[HoustonEagle]

Wondering how many will jump off the top of the Wing Zone when it’s actually Mcnulty that wins the starting spot?

[BIG DAWG]

Wondering how many will jump off the top of the Wing Zone when it’s actually Mcnulty that wins the starting spot?

That made me lol...then throw up in my mouth a little

[BIG DAWG]

either side of your "point" does not bode well for north Texas.....if they did in fact change the offense to suit a player that has never stepped onto the field in a college game or played in 2 years that is a pretty stupid coaching move.....and it is all the more stupid in light of the fact that the player is now injured and listed as third string

Dajon Williams will redshirt this year, but he was also recruited for this system

[emmitt01]

either side of your "point" does not bode well for north Texas.....if they did in fact change the offense to suit a player that has never stepped onto the field in a college game or played in 2 years that is a pretty stupid coaching move.....and it is all the more stupid in light of the fact that the player is now injured and listed as third string

and if they did change the offense to suit that player and that player is still listed as third string (injured or not) VS second string what does it say about the abilities of a player that perhaps had the offense changed to more suit their style.....yet they are still listed as the third stringer...again not an overwhelming vote of confidence and if he was not starting or listed as first string because of an injury in most every program out there that would mean a listing as second string not third string unless north Texas does something different than most programs

unless north Texas has the dumbest head coach and OC out there the reason they changed to offense was not to suit a player that has not played in two years it was to better suit what the OC is comfortable calling and working with because again if it was for a specific player so far that switch is looking very stupid right about now because that player is hurt and riding the pine 3rd string

also the specific comment I was responding to was saying dumb down and change the offense even more.....the offense that has already been changed for whatever reason (I believe it was changed to suit the OC not a single player and changing to suit the OC makes sense to suit a single player not so much) ....the offense that should already favor the guy that is right now injured and 3rd string....so again in the context of the post I was responding to dumbing down or changing the offense even more would be even more stupid because the offense already should favor the guy that is currently injured and 3rd string.....but he is injured and 3rd string right now so changing it further would just be a give up for this year and another wait until next year situation because if the guy that is injured and 3rd string is everything that some on this forum think he is then he should be able to run the offense as it is now once healthy and if not dumbing it down and hoping that in another year he can pick up more of it is just laughable

why do you assume that bb is worthy of being handed the starting position over others when he could not even beat out a 6'-1" 186# guy that was said to have a dead arm out of high school when competing for a starting job at the Scottsdale Community College Fighting Artichokes.....bb was there for their entire fall workouts and for their final scrimmage game and it was the first time in over a year that bb actually stepped up to compete for a position and he did not win that position he lost that competition to a guy that is 6'-1" 186# and was said to have a dead arm out of high school and had few if any D1-A offers and is now at CU of the PAC 12 competing for a starting position...the Fighting Artichokes of Scottsdale Community College was the place that bb hand picked with the wisdom of ages on his side and the place he felt he would have the greatest chance to get to start and play and that had the offense that best suited all his imaginary feats of strength and instead of winning the starting job he lost it to a 6'-1" 18# pound guy that was said to have a dead arm and instead of staying the rest of the season to compete for that position "something came up" and he transferred before the first game was even played and he has been at north Texas now for about 10 months and he is listed as 3rd string.....has he been injured this entire 10 months.....has he not been practicing at all this entire time.....do the coaches see him as a potential starter or a strong competitor to start, but because of an injury they have him at 3rd string even though most places would not put a starter listed as thirds string because of an injury they would put them as second string as worst

again why the assumption that 3 D1-A head coaches and OCs (at least one with significant NFL experience as well) and a community college head coach and OC are all wrong when they do not just hand the position to bb and even a 4th D1-A head coach and OC are supporting to a degree the decision to not start bb at the Fighting Artichokes because the guy that did get the start they offered a scholarship to and are now giving a chance to earn a starting spot and or playing time...so when bb did compete against a dead armed 186# 6'-1" QB with few if any D1-A offers out of high school for a starting position at his hand picked community college that matched all his feats of strength and mad skillz bb did not win the position and the guy that did win the position now has a PAC 12 D1-A full ride and te chance to compete for a starting position.....so it is hard to say that CC head coach and CC OC made the wrong decision because after winning the starting position at the CC the 6'-1" dead armed guy now has a D1-A PAC 12 full ride and a chance to compete to start

if you want to say DT is a terrible QB just say it and if you want to say that Turner Gill, his OC, fat Charlie and his OC, the Scottsdale HC and OC and DMac and Chico are all clueless and stupid for not handing the ball to bb and that you know better than all those that have actually watched him practice the few times he has bothered to practice and those that watched him compete in a scrimmage the one time he bothered to do that then just say it, but stop pretending that it is because bb has show anything at all what so ever that proves he has what it takes and just say you think you know better than all of those that get paid and have their jobs on the line that have not seen what you claim to have seen (which what you have seen is high school press clippings while they have actually seen him practice and work out and play.....sometimes when he feels like it)

If I nod and occasionally say "yep" or "no way!" will you shut up?

[DallasGreen]

Here's the deal -- we could be 4-8 or 6-6... would you be willing to sacrifice two games and a possible bowl but have a more seasoned BB for 2014? Or would you rather go 6-6 with DT at the helm. I'm not saying that is EXACTLY how it will come down mind you but I think it illustrates how the coaching staff looks at these things...

Bingo. Just imagine a BB who hasn't even taken a D-1 snap against GA. DT has seen the likes of AL. LSU, & KSU. BB would freak at the bright lights and crowds. He will be a factor in 2014, but not because of his 2013 experience gain. We need to produce now and only DT gives us that chance. With a Corp of healthy, talented receivers and an experienced returning O line as well as 3 to 4 deep @ RB DT suddenly becomes a much more effective option. Imagine that. If we turn to BB during 2013 the season is lost and we have a five year rebuilding program post Dodge. We can't afford to wait till then to win!

[BillySee58]

Bingo. Just imagine a BB who hasn't even taken a D-1 snap against GA. DT has seen the likes of AL. LSU, & KSU. BB would freak at the bright lights and crowds. He will be a factor in 2014, but not because of his 2013 experience gain. We need to produce now and only DT gives us that chance. With a Corp of healthy, talented receivers and an experienced returning O line as well as 3 to 4 deep @ RB DT suddenly becomes a much more effective option. Imagine that. If we turn to BB during 2013 the season is lost and we have a five year rebuilding program post Dodge. We can't afford to wait till then to win!

How do you know that BB would freak under the bright lights at Georgia? Experience is great, but to think that guys without experience are just automatically going to wet the bed is not fair.

Every player is different. Some do thrive on the big stage and some wilt away, but it's not completely dependent on their experience. Mason Y'Barbo knocked Donta Hightower on his butt as a redshirt freshman at Bryant-Denny.