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I agree with all of your points, Harry. However, he should not have even made it to his fifth season.

1. By waiting as long as UNT has there will be nothing to hold him to anything. He will have received all pay he's entitled to. I'll also disagree that he's a "good recruiter". Good implies that he's above average, I don't think he built a better than average CUSA level roster. Obviously he can't coach at more than bottom third of conference level. 3. I didn't like his retention from the moment it was announced and said that I'd much prefer WB cut the dead weight immediately. I think Benford has already had multiple Portland St level crises: first ever loss to a D2 school; first home losing season in 13 years; lose 20 games three times; and unlikely to hit 10 wins even including the two gimme games and will not hit 10 D1 wins this season; missed the conference tournament.

I thought this thread was supposed to be about how awesome Craig Robertson is?

With 2 games left you bring up a very strong point!! (Sarcasm)

As it turns out, the smoo series was not scheduled for 10 years and it did not handcuff us from future schedule flexibility. It was a simply a 4 game series with additional language about good faith negotiations to extend. It appears both sides have looked at the landscape and determined that the series is mutually beneficial and decided to extend another 4 games. I look forward to the next 4 games.

One of the few things I think RV got criticized for that I don't think was warranted was his scheduling of Army and SMU. They are exactly the kind of programs, NT currently needs on its schedule. NT has not shown they can consistently beat either one, but both should be winnable games. SMU and TCU are the best opponents NT could possibly have in terms of local access. Army is a national name that will always draw some interest. Those wanting to upgrade the schedule for higher level competition, are way ahead of the program.

Head CoaSh Scott R. Gernander Fifth Season Sam Houston State University (2006, M.A. 2008) Overall: 97-30 (281) 476-1849 Email After spending a season as a graduate assistant coach at his alma mater, Sam Houston State University, Scott R. Gernander returned to San Jacinto College in 2008 to the school where his collegiate playing days began to serve as an assistant coach under his legendary father, Scott Gernander. After serving the 2012-2013 season as Interim Head Coach, the younger Gernander was promoted to the top spot in the Summer of 2013. During Gernander’s fourth season, San Jac men’s basketball team finished the 2015-2016 season with a 22-10 overall record, 12-7 in Region XIV play, advancing to the semifinals of the Region XIV tournament in Lufkin, Texas. Corey Davis earned a spot on the all-region second team and Region XIV South Zone second team, while Jorden Duffy, Ilker Er, and Candido Sa were each named Region XIV South Zone Honorable Mention. The “third time’s a charm” proved to be true for Gernander, as he guided his 2014- 2015 team back to the National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA) national tournament in just his third season as head coach. The return trip was the first for San Jacinto College since 2006, and the 20th overall appearance in the national tournament. San Jac opened the 2014-2105 season winning six straight before hitting a snag in a trip to Florida. It then won 11 out of the next 12 games before falling to Tyler in the Region XIV tournament. However, the NJCAA selection committee recognized the team’s success, and awarded them one of four at-large bids to the national tournament. Four players averaged double- digit points for the year, and five grabbed postseason honors. Willie Mangum was an all-region first- teamer, and Donte Thomas a second-teamer. All-South Zone honorable mention selections included Jevonlean Jedgeman, Naiel Smith, and Michael Hunter. Gernander was the Region XIV Coach of the Year with a 28-6 overall record. In his second season at the helm of the San Jac program, Gernander’s team went 23-8 overall record, and was the number three seed in the regional tournament. Anthony Livingston, Carrington Ward, and Richard Benedyth all earned postseason honors. Livingston was named to the Region XIV South Zone all-conference team and was an all-region selection, while Ward and Benedyth were named to the all-conference South Zone second team, with Ward taking home all-region honorable mention honors. The 2013-2014 squad averaged 87.3 points and 44.6 rebounds per game, finishing with a 14-5 conference mark. In 2012-2013, Gernander guided San Jacinto College to a 24-6 record and the semifinals of the Region XIV tournament. Under his tutelege, Mohammad Lee was named a National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA) all-American and all-Region player, while Danny Lawhorn and Zach Lofton were also named to the all-Region squad. The 2012-2013 San Jac team averaged nearly 91 points per game, and won the Region XIV South Zone, finishing with a 14-5 conference record. As a graduate assistant at Sam Houston State from 2005-2008, Gernander coached on teams that recorded a combined 66-27 record, and had three 20-win seasons in the Southland Conference. The 31-year-old Gernander played as a guard at Sam Houston State University from 2003 to 2005, where the Bearkats were 31-27 during his time on the court. Prior to playing at Sam Houston, Gernander was a member of the San Jacinto College men’s basketball team, where he played on teams that went a combined 57-12, won two conference titles, and were national junior college runners-up. He averaged 8.1 points per game while at San Jacinto College. Before playing at San Jac for his father, Gernander was a first team all-district and second team all-region guard for Coach Boyce Paxton at Sam Rayburn High School in Pasadena. He averaged 17.8 points as a senior. Gernander received his bachelor’s degree in kinesiology from Sam Houston State in 2006 and a Master of Arts in Kinesiology in 2008. He married Amanda Crabtree in June of 2008. The Gernander Coaching File Season Record 2015-2016 22-10 2014-2015 28-6 2013-2014 23-8 2012-2013 24-6 Overall 75-20 He may be a bit young at 31, but he does have head coaching experience with good results. San Jac jc is currently #3 in the Jc rankings at 25-1. Your thougts on this up and comer?

Now those are some clear cut goals I can get behind! It is nice to have an AD speak with the fans not at them.

"Overhaul of athletic fundraising processes and structure. We will develop greater accountability and direction in order to meet the needs of a growing Division I program " Cynics will ask, accountability to who exactly? For now, it's at least refreshing to see this even mentioned. I have no idea how far along the track/soccer stadium was or the new IPF before Wren got here. It really doesn't matter, because the vast majority of us probably won't ever know. We'll just give him the credit for the fastest ever facility finance/build-out that most of us have seen at UNT. Perception on Wren Baker is that he's a mover, and if UNT keeps this up, that will help us build momentum with donors on down to the casual observer as a program on the rise.

asl :)

All is great, but the biggest item is having access and an AD staff that I feel is really ready to listen! GMG

He might have been hired in July but he didn't start working for the university until August.

Some people would get banned for a subliminal post like this.

Could not agree more.

I get what you are saying but none of the teams listed would put more butts is in Apogee than Army and SMU. Now I'm all for scheduling the teams you listed, especially Tulsa, over Incarnate Word and the like. I'm not sure any of the teams you listed are more recognized than SMU though. Maybe as recognized but not more recognized. Don't forget SMU has been in the news more recently than pony excess. June Jones quitting, Larry Brown controversy, Chad Morris being wooed by Baylor, etc. Also, they still play TCU annually.

He played much less than the required minimum to qualify for the injury waiver this year. If he wants to return, he probably can.

That would be comical. Romo's & Osweiler's salaries together are $30Mil. Osweiler sucks, and you can't rely on Romo to play more than 5-6 games.

Don't worry, he MEANT to say the illegal ponies...the ones who cheated* *No, really, he did...promise

Running the 3-3-5 with the experience and talent we will have on the back end could really make these defense fun to watch.

Don't forget that Combs is lined up to graduate and could use his final year of eligibility as a grad transfer.

+1

Evaluators gonna evaluate.

I am not trying to stir up anything here, I just have a three-part question that has been in the back of my mind for some time. A. Did Frazier feel pressured to play before he was physically able? OR B. Did Frazier push himself too hard ? OR C. Was this simply a case of "shit happens"? Whatever the answer, I feel for him and hope he can get healthy...whether he plays for us again or not.

I wouldn't count on it, but at the same time this is his last chance to make something out of his college career. If he's getting advice from anyone who has any clue, they'd be strongly encouraging him to come back and make the most of this opportunity or his career of playing meaningful basketball is likely over.

Not sure "able" would be the operative word here....

We're basing a preseason poll on a 4-year average from the previous 4 seasons?

Interesting that the Army team we smoked in NY and took to OT in the HOD bowl is ranked at 75 while we're 50 spots below.

Nonsense.

Been here for 24 years. People can talk about money, budgets, facilities, conference-affiliation, fan support and whatever else excuse you can come up for not winning. The reason for the failure of UNT Athletics is nothing but poor decision-making and gutless leadership. And letting Benford coach this year, much less finishing out the season is at the top of that list. Whether it was the firing of RV, Helwig, Trilli, Benford, Dodge, or Mac, UNT let it get to the worst possible point before making a move. It had to get to rock bottom before deciding enough was enough. You can have all the shiny buildings you want, you don't fix that, nothing changes.

This will be our "official" player roster for the seventh Annual Cheer Scholarship Game. Trying to raise SEVEN FOR SEVEN this year...$7,000 for our seventh year! Any player info is welcome to be posted here along with any friendly banter (trash talk) regarding players or teams one wishes to post. I will update the thread as to players as they announce their intentions...you folks can supply the chatter. ANDREW - Andrew Valenkamp THOR - Thomas Coe smoothfresh RICO - Raymond Rico Vince GMG24 - Brandon Grady Ben Gooding Zach Gooding Jacob Gonzalez Emmitt Jackson Cody Coile Ray Cortinas Rob McKinney Grant Gilbert MeanGreenCoach2 John Hopkin Greendylan Paul Rob Morley

We have a new player to announce...JUSTIN ELSE is in the house! Welcome aboard Justin...appreciate your support...you are going to have a great time! Folks...here is the link to pay your registration fee or donate: https://one.unt.edu/2017basketballclassic

I will answer for him: Old AF/Prob not very often/English and bad English

I'll be drinking heavily and gambling away my daughter's inheritance in Shreveport on Saturday night. Somebody text me if any hammers fall and/or if we succeed in our quest for a single digit win season.

If I'm the new coach, I would seriously think about not bringing Pittman or Fuller back. Use those scholarships on better players. Can't imagine Frazier coming back. He would only have 1 semester to play. Would/Could he sit another semester to play conference games? Hope Baker considers a coach that can come with an impact package. Zach Simmons may end up being a steal. Though a nice project, I would hate to lose him in the transition. I can see him pushing Brice in the middle but needs more bulk and muscle. Wainwright didn't show me much the only time I saw him but that team was loaded. Don't see him making that much of an impact. Not a great shooter and hates to bring the ball up the court.

Does Houston still have a football team? I thought they moved to Alabama or something a few years back.

We will all know when they start turning dirt. Until then things could go either way. Dr Smatrest mentioned one concept, Vito seems to be reporting another...assume that Vito's info is coming from folks in the Athletic Dept. In reality, either concept/idea is a nice improvement in facilities.

No. I want to be able to cheer for Lance. Can't do that if he puts on a Texans' uniform. Plus, that team has zero personality and no chance of consistently winning.

From RV's perspective, just change the word woman to AD and you're good.

Can't believe it's been 5 years. How can anyone feel sorry for someone who's severely underperformed and was paid 6 figures the entire time? He should be thanking NT he made so much money to fail miserably.

This is a better metric (and puts us 107 overall): http://www.footballstudyhall.com/pages/2016-college-football-advanced-statistical-profiles ETA: oh i see, ditto to what @AustinFromUNT said

Interesting that we'd be ranked 125 after going from 1-11 to 5-8. EDIT: Our predicted offense rank is 118?

6'3"!!

One question that I have asked and don't think has been answered is, "What good would it have done to fire Benford and replace him with one of his assistants in the interim?"

Can't talk about college track facilities without mentioning Hayward Field, paid for by Nike of course. U of H has the Carl Lewis International Complex and Yeoman Fieldhouse for Indoor T&F I like the way UNC has their setup at Fetzer Field. The Carolina blue track surface is a nice touch. I'm gonna say right now that someone needs to get Wren's ear about us getting a green track. Baylor just got one at the new Clyde Hart Track & Field Stadium. The combined press box idea is exactly what Kansas just did at their new Rock Chalk Park. Awesome execution there. (Yeah its a rendering, sorry) University of South Florida has a pretty nice place at USF Track and Field Stadium. Used to be their soccer field too until 2011. The Mike Long Track at Florida State is nice too, nestled there in the pine trees. And now, what I think it's probably one of the nicest soccer/track venues in the NCAA. If we even tried to copy this for our new place, I wouldn't be mad. Northern Arizona University's Lumberjack Stadium in Flagstaff. This is a Big Sky Conference facility y'all. FCS. It was their football stadium until 1977, then served as track only and then started hosting women's soccer in 1997. In 2011 it was renovated as a part of their newly built $100 million Health and Learning Center which they built on the land right next to the stadium, which had been a parking lot. The glass walls and flying roof overhangs are part of the Health and Learning Center building behind it. It seats 1,000. Now, can you imagine something like that, but with a green track, green chair back seats and greenish glass that matches Apogee brickwork that matches the Hurley? I can.

I guess i have to believe that things can get better. I went to UNT when Fry and Barkley ( I think that was name) were coaching and things were good except fouts field. Yes it suck way back then too. i remember the BB coach's chair always had a theme and it was on the back of his seat during the season. I guess Tony would say i don't need that extra suit.

Sutton one on one several times is bad coaching. Period. Especially on 3rd and long. I don't think Littrell took over special teams. I just don't think special teams was an emphasis as it was with McCarney. Even the 1-11 team made plays with the special teams.

Littrell and staff missed a lot with the Xs and Os. Not sure what fans are seeing. Our special teams were not as good as they were under mccarney and I'm sure perry did not have as much input as he did under mccarney. Our special teams made big plays and helped win games before Littrel got here. Not having a saftey over the top vs a beast like Sutton. And he was on the belintnicoff list before the season. Our secondary gave up big plays all year and were no match against good QBs. The two teams we looked decent against in 2015, UTSA and UTEP we looked bad with Littrel. Seem liked Litrell and staff completely ignored what was somewhat successful vs those teams the previous year. Playcalling wasn't as predictable as it was under mccarney, but it was questionable. I didn't see a great in game coaching performance like some did. They added more passing and brought the corners up. A move most on this board asked for and would have made. If we give Littrell and staff, the 2013 team will buyers play corner or WR? If corner, are they leaving him on an island with no safety? Littrel still has a lot to prove. Mac has plenty to bash without taking credit from his 9 win season. No way am I going to assume Littrel can win 10 games (UNT record?) with ANY team cause he went 5-8 his first year.