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Harry and others, Thanks for your support of Scott. I hope my reply doesn't spark personal attacks, but will help folks decide if Scott deserves consideration. The criteria for UNT "Hall of Fame" consideration states.... The following are basic guidelines for considering a person as an inductee into the North Texas Athletic Hall of Fame: 1. The person should have made an outstanding contribution to North Texas athletics. 2. The inductee should have an honorable and respectable image since leaving the University of North Texas. 3. Candidates are not eligible for induction until at least five years after they left the University of North Texas. 4. A strong consideration will be given those student-athletes who graduated from the University of North Texas. As a parent, of course, I truly believe Scott meets or exceeds the membership criteria for this prestigious honor. Since becoming the youngest Division 1 starting quarterback in the nation in the fall of 2000, Scott has represented The University of North Texas in a positive manner. During his football career, Scott achieved the title of UNT’s All Time Passing Efficiency Leader and high standings in numerous other statistical categories, including 3rd in Touchdowns Thrown (50) and finishing 4th behind Maher, Ramsey and Davis as UNT’s Career Passing Leader and Total Offense Leader. As a 4 year starting quarterback and 2 year Team Captain, Scott was instrumental in helping lead the team to a record setting, 25 game conference winning streak, along with 4 Sunbelt Championships and 4 New Orleans Bowl appearances. While leading a run-based offense “gaudy” passing numbers were not possible, but Scott had the honor of calling the plays (or direction of the run) that led to North Texas having back to back NCAA Rushing Leaders. During his career, Scott was selected as a 2 time “All Sunbelt Conference Quarterback,” a 3 time “Team Offensive Player of the Year” and in 2004 “Team MVP.” Additionally, in 2001, Scott was selected by Dave Campbell and Texas Football Magazine as the “Texas College Football Player of the Year.” While those that saw Scott play can attest to his leadership, toughness and never give up attitude on the field, it’s his off-field, team first attitude that I’m personally the most proud of. Many remember his playing the last 6 games of 2002 in pain with a torn ACL and then returning after a missed season with a torn pectoral muscle, but it was his decision to return to UNT after the loss of his younger brother Aaron in 2003 that showed his character and leadership. While struggling with Aaron’s death and wanting to take a semester off to be home with family, Scott told me he just had to return for the sake of the team. “He owed it to them.” Scott’s leadership and mental toughness was again tested when he was asked by coaches to help the team cope and remain focused after the death of his teammate and good friend, Andrew Smith. From talking with coaches, he was extremely successful in dealing with these very tough issues. Since entering UNT in 2000 and graduating in 2005 with a B.S. Degree in Engineering Technologies, Scott has maintained an honorable and respectable image. He was selected as both the Sunbelt Conference, Student Athlete of the Year and the American Society of Heating and Air Conditioning Engineer of the Year in 2004. Also in 2004, Scott was asked to be a graduation ceremony speaker for the 1st class of graduating seniors of the recently established North Texas Engineering Department. Scott participated as a Junior Mean Green Mentor, a Letterman’s Club member and sponsor for the Andrew Smith Scholarship Fundraiser. In 2007, Scott was recognized for his accomplishments and was inducted into his school district's “Hall of Honor,” the youngest member ever. Scott is currently a partner in a Lumber Construction/Marketing firm and active in his church, where he and his wife Lindsay teach a Special Needs Children Sunday School class. In closing, Yes, I'm a proud parent and biased, but I've tried to provide some information I believe to be true to help others decide. Ultimately it will be decided by the recommendations or lack thereof from fans, teammates, coaches and the HOF Committee. Thanks for reading, Sincerely, Stan Hall "Green Eagle"

Meh. Needs more conference realignment. Game effort,though.

If every stupid topic on GMG were deleted - we'd have a whole lot less threads.

A WAC invite is probably coming, but we need more teams in the east. If the WAC can't attract anyone in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, or Arkansas, I say we take a pass....

Boger was an awesome and superb player, but other than that, what can you say?

Scott Hall is definately first ballot HOF worthy. He is by far the best QB I have seen in a Mean Green uniform since I started following the program in 1983. He was a GREAT player, great leader, great student, and great ambasador for UNT.

Otherwise, we'd have to call All Pro Foundation Repair at 877) MEAN GREEN. Proud UNT alums.

We used to play Boise, New Mexico State, Nevada every year. It was the same tired excuse then with these teams (no one wants to see us play [insert team of choice here] because no one cares) that it is now with our current conference mates. Why is Boise so attractive now? Is it because they are in the WAC or because they have put together a winning program? We did not capitalize on our run at the beginning of the decade and we don't compete or win against top 25/top 50, etc. teams. If we did that on a regular basis, then everything else would take care of itself. Keith

His scholarship is not being renewed due to numerous violations of team policy. He was a pretty good player in high school. (Dallas Woodrow Wilson). Albuquerque is in the middle of nowhere (for a Dallas kid). Might being closer to home turn this kid around? http://www.golobos.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/brown_will00.html Anyway just throwing this out there. The kid may be too much trouble. Wonder if Cooley or Buford have any thoughts on him.

So the Mean Green have 16 players along the lines of MTSU and Troy who went bowling last season. Great stuff! Now, lets take things one play at a time, and a week at a time, and go win the freaking conference so we can have Mean Green Mardi Gras in N'Awlins and pack the Superdome with Green! (so maybe I'm just really excited about the 3 day weekend coming up!)

No... I always found Fouts to be an embarrassment. Yes I had plenty of good times there but it had nothing to do with the Stadium.

2003 and 2004 2009 North Texas Football Fact And Records Book - Pages 34 & 35 list All Conference Selections

Bootlicker.

Out-of-context gasp! Git him, boyz.

You're probably right.

"...Kenny Lyons? Never heard of him. But hell, I saw Chris Davis play. So there's no way Kenny Lyons was as good as Chris Davis....." /Firefight'd Where is Rick anyway? Smart enough to stay far away this time of year?

Loved Scott and expect him to be in the HOF someday. But I don't think he's a first ballot selection. Kennedy, in particular, needs to be in now.

Very.

Obviously, the Belt picked ULM; how else did they become a member. I would be a little careful throwing around reported athletic budgets, because there are practically no reporting standards and they can be very misleading. For example, private school tuition such as SMU could amount to over a $6m difference between their budget and NT and yet their real out of pocket costs are close to the same. Unless they have recently changed, athletes tuition in Louisiana is not counted in the athletic budget. A lot if not most universities do about everything they can to hide the obvious, they lose a lot of money on athletes. Instead of berating ULM maybe we should hire someone from there, with their budget they are playing the same number of sports and have about the same number of coaches as NT. I am not so sure that NT is not going to have more budget problems with this new stadium. Unless, they have some major donations they are keeping undercover; paying for half of the stadium may put a definite drain on the budget and revenues that would normally go for operating expenses may be used for debt service. I certainly hope that doesn't happen but even new revenue streams such as premium seating and suites may not be enough to cover stadium construction costs. Back to ULM, based on what I have recently read all football programs in Louisiana expect LSU are heavily subsidized by the state. ULL and ULM may get over half their athletic budget from the state. With more state cutbacks probably coming in Louisiana, it may be very tough for not only ULM but ULL and La Tech to remain viable in the FB division. Just be aware that weeding out the undesired may have some very bad consequences. NT is at the bottom in almost every category when compared to the FB schools as a whole; budget, attendance, and stadium size.

meh

The first two from those teams should be Hall and Kennedy.

You guys are mean.

Sam was dominant. Randy could throw a mean ball, but had eyebrow issues. Bill's bald head was distracting, but I liked how he could throw the ball out of the screen and have it just land on some guy.

I tend to agree with a lot of your points here, but there is almost zero chance that Boise State will stay in the WAC. The MWC only has 9 teams as it stands now and if Utah/BYU leave, Boise will be the first pick up. I even believe Boise will move to the MWC no matter what, but that will get sped forward if BSU is playing for the MNC this season, which is very possible. Just for argument's sake, if Boise, Fresno, and Nevada left to join a new MWC, the WAC would be left with Hawaii, San Jose State, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State, and La Tech, which is apparently a top target of CUSA's next expansion. I just can't tell what league would be better for us, a watered-down WAC that looks like the old Big West, or the SBC, which could very well lose MTSU, FAU, or WKU to another conference. I do know that am 100% convinced we won't be in CUSA as long as SMU is there. The other schools feel that the DFW market is covered with SMU. It is also why I can see UTSA eventually moving into CUSA down the road because that is a large TV market to sell to a network that is interested in gaining broadcast rights.

If the WAC is a train to nowhere, what is the Sun Belt? The WAC has an average athletic budget of $20.7 million. The Sun Belt average is $13.9 million. The WAC has sent Boise to a BCS bowl twice. That's the nowhere I'd like to see North Texas at. We send our champ to a bowl that pays $350,000!? Like I said, things could be different after the realignment, but if the WAC is unchanged, and we are not in C-USA, I say it's time to bolt. The Sun Belt is a train to nowhere. Too many schools in this conference are unwilling to do what is necessary to improve this conference. I have seen nothing that makes think the Sun Belt will ever be more then purgatory for teams wanting to move up to an established conference.

OK, I can't name 10 with expected speed...but, how about I start with two... Micah Mosley - I think he is the fastest back we have on the roster. Have you ever noticed how this kid can motor? In fact, I not sure UNT couldn't use him on some down field pass plays. Jaamal Jackson - my $$$ might just be on him to be the overall fastest UNT has in the 40. Come on...someone else surely has an opinion. I know this isn't conference realignment stuff, but hey, it's the off season with 100 days to go! Let's talk some UNT football! GO MEAN GREEN!

Traditions are made by the fans, be those fans students, faculty, or local supporters. The students should make up the majority of that group because the should be the most fervent supporters. However we don't need to be turning people away from the program they support because they aren't "fan enough" or aren't a student. We have been talking about getting more community support for years and that attitude is not helpful. Besides, traditions only become traditions if they are kept and followed. If the fans don't like the tradition then they won't follow them and they don't become traditions in the first place...

You have the right to have use of the seats that you purchased, and pull for NT if you choose. But I don't believe that you should be allowed to be a decision maker when it comes to traditions at North Texas.

I get your rationale...but I can't support this tradition.

I completely agree. Our "traditions" are terrible and the only people that think they are good have probably never been to a large school with real traditions to witness how great they can be. You also forgot about the one of parking the old car on the track...what are we going to do about that one when we don't have a track anymore? I guess we can just park it in the parking lot with the rest of the cars. Or what about the tradition of leaving at half time or not even coming into the games? Clearly we need to just get more people to adhere to these.

Good point. We have a great tradition of... lets see... screaming 'North... Texas' at random times until it finally just dies off. Firing an annoying cannon (even after a loss). Oh, and we've stolen traditions from other schools by making up stories of how we 'earned' them somehow. You're right, we just need to recognize the great traditions already in place.

Point being?

But he still says he wasnt using the drug for which he tested positive, which, strangely enough, I believe. Doesnt matter, cause he used HGH throughout the Tour, but I think ir does throw some suspicion on the Tour officials who handled the sample. They hated Armstrong and the fact that they never caught him doping. They hated the fact that yet another American was set to win the Tour. It is HUELY suspicious that the positive test came the day that he pretty much clinched the tour titled with that unbelievable ride. Not defending Landis, but everyone shold understand that 95% of all professional cyclist, and all of the top cyclist, are doping.

I'll defend him. If he tested positive in the third week, he should have also tested positive the two weeks prior. None of it makes sense. It's either complete bullshit, or he and the people assiting him are the most stupid cheaters on earth. You cannot take it the night before a race and expect results in the morning. It must be done over a period of many weeks, even months in advance. Had that happened, his prior tests would have also shown positive. Landis truly feels he's been wronged. This is why unlike the majority of those who have tested positive have accepted their punishments and continued on down the road, whereas, Landis chose to spend every last dime he had to prove himself innocent. The europeans cannot stand and will not stand for an American to dominate their sport. They did everything they could to hang Armstrong on it, and are still trying to. I believe this was a setup from inside their questionable labs from the beginning. Rick

Anything is better than this dying sun suck conference. For the life of me I can't understand why ANYONE would be against a conference jump. Budget...that's going to be changing soon. Travel...we don't travel well as it is because no one wants to see us play these sucky schools that no one cares about. So what if BSU leaves the WAC...it's still light years ahead of what we are currently in. Their members are better recognized schools, they play better against named opponents, and they have a better opportunity to jump into a better conference in time. Lets face it...if getting into a better conference is a stepping stone then moving into the WAC is our first step. No other conference is going to be looking to raid the SunBelt, even the CUSA is looking at the Mtn West instead of the Sunbelt. If we pass on another opportunity our football program is doomed. I for one would rather attend a game in our new stadium against Fresno St, Hawaii, or Nevada than ULaLa, or FIU. It's a no brainer.

Ooooohhh...I love Fantasy Political Association...I played in a Yahoo league last year, but I hear ESPN has a better points system. I've been debating for my draft...how would you associate Albert John Luthuli, Sun Yat Sen and Lord Louis Francis Albert Victor Nicholas Mountbatten?

You may not think he's HOF-worthy, but I definitely think he's HOFF-worthy.

I think Scott Hall was a very nice player and a very decent person...but Hall of Fame worthy? That might be a stretch, especially considering the staples of the championship teams were the run game and the defense. Cobbs and Kennedy are no-brainers...maybe mix in a LB like Spencer or Hurd and an OL like Lineberry or Brewster.

So according to you, people like myself who never attended UNT and my wife who only worked there for a short time should have no say. I suppose you think we should just cancel our season tickets too right? We need more people in the community to support the athletic programs and we go to more basketball games than most students...

Silver, I really not sure you actually believe this. All fans, students, faculty, staff, alumni, etc. helped to create the traditions that I witnessed and have enjoyed by having graduated from three different universities and having attended a fourth. Several schools I know have had BIG TIME traditions started by a member of the coaching staff, some have had faculty/staff input and, yes, some were 100% student driven. But, anyone who supports the Mean Green gets a hand in creating and maintaining traditions. Many traditions would die away if it were not for the fans (grads or not) who support "their" universities win, lose or draw. I, for one, am plenty happy to have folks like Army of Dad and Army of Mom who are not grads, but who support the Mean Green. In fact, one of the biggest local supports of the Mean Green attended, but never graduated from UNT. Should he not be involved in setting and maintaining traditions for the Mean Green? Also, many traditions just develop over time. They are not planned by anyone. While we often disagree on politics, we seldom disagree on support for the Mean Green. On this one, we will just have to "agree to disagree". GO MEAN GREEN!

At the GMG Bowl? I figured I'd combine the two subjects you guys enjoy talking about the most; percieved ability/speed and the gmg bowl.

Then it wouldn't take me so long to sift through the dung to find the good stuff.

Ok. I stand corrected. Thank you sir. Can I then still say I don't think he's HOF worthy?

I agree that this is a stupid topic and one in which the moderators should delete.

Hall was great at what he did... the play-action roll out. He was a winner, yes. But HOF worthy? I think it's an indication of where our prgram is right now with the mention of him being an all-time great.