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My 85 year old father uses Roku to stream games and he can't keep a laptop working for clicking on every damn we detected your computer is infected ad.

I don’t know if this is a generational thing but why are some against streaming? Cable is dead except for sports and even then I stream everything through my phone or tablet and pretty much everyone I know does the same. I obviously don’t know the specifics about the deal but it appears we are sacrificing revenue for exposure on an emerging new media platform? Although the schools are seeing an increase in revenue and lowering production costs? This seems like a great deal IMHO. -GMG

Just keep doing what we're doing. The next time a coach leaves or is fired, don't completely pull a 180 philosophically with the direction of the program like we always seemed to do under RV. Keep building onto what they are building now. For the 10 years after DD we were constantly in a cycle of trying to fit square pegs into round holes on both of our lines. Keep some continuity going so we can get to a point where our lines are mostly upperclassmen who've had years to develop. The very best teams we've had in my 20+ years following UNT always had experience on the lines. Its the best way to have a fighting chance to upset a P5 AND to win in conference. Same thing goes in basketball. Until they do away with the one and done rule, the best way for G5s to compete with the blue blood programs is to beat them with well oiled, experienced teams. So, I guess the program I always admired the most was Southern Miss football from the 90s - the 00s. They did the whole "more with less" thing better than anyone. I think if we had a run today like they did back then we could go a long way to changing the perception around our programs. Sustained success here, with our huge alumni base, enrollment and location has the potential to really bring in game changing dollars. Right now we're always playing second fiddle to smu in conference positioning. Every realignment scenario depends on them leaving so we can fill in the "metroplex" spot in the next conference up the ladder. We have to get to a point where we can turn the tables on that if we ever want UNT to get to where we all know it can go. A UNT football or basketball program that legitimately operated at the same budget levels as their smu counterparts could not be ignored. I don't think they could compete with us if we ever got to that point. Accomplish this and I think the top of the G5 is a given, if not more.

Then why are you here? This site, especially this particular forum, is dedicated to athletics. If you no longer support athletics because of this, then why are you here constantly bringing it up?

20' RB/CB Myles Price: The Colony http://www.hudl.com/profile/8316091/Myles-Price 20' WR Zavion Taylor: Northwest HS https://www.hudl.com/profile/8284776/Zavion-Taylor 19' WR Nathan Blackbear: Locust Grove, OK http://www.hudl.com/profile/5326302/Nathan-Blackbear 20' QB Brett Esch: Carrollton Creekview https://www.hudl.com/profile/8160772/Brett-Esch 21' WR Sami Qawasmi: Frisco Reedy https://www.hudl.com/profile/9128216/Sami-Qawasmi 19' RB/OLB Jay Abdallah: The Colony http://www.hudl.com/profile/5666091/Jadan-Abdallah

Yeahhhhh...that's just dumb. You always take the better record and division crown. The wins versus Arkansas and SMU would be very hollow if we crap the bed in conference play.

Don't want to pull a NutsaCK and get ahead of ourselves. Looking at our schedule im looking to go 1-0.

I agree that Army and/or Navy is good for our program, but only because their supporters (which are everywhere in the metroplex) show up in larger numbers than North Texas fans. I never realized how many seats around me (section 105) had been unsold until the Army game when there were many Army fans all around me. So fill in those gaps with people wearing green instead of black and yellow........THAT is what will be best for our program. And don't piss off the best coach we've had here since Hayden Fry.

No, unfortunately this is very true. The University of North Texas has some of the top programs in the state - this is a FACT We, however, are not talking about facts. We're talking about opinion, and more specifically perception. We are not a b-list or 2nd chance school because of our programs, no, we are a b-list or 2nd chance school because we perceived as being such. Even in recruiting, rarely is UNT the kids' first choice. Often we are the best fit. And there isn't necessarily anything wrong with that. Now as to the origin of this perception.... we can debate that but I'd say it's combination of lackluster athletics and a commuter school vibe. many in higher education disagree, but the quickest way to get people to take a 2nd look at UNT, and in doing so, come to the realization (through research or whatever) that we are one of the top Universities in Texas is for our football and basketball programs to have consistent success. That's how it works in Texas. People identify with athletics. Bottom line we need to win!!! And win a lot!!!

If we stand pat, we could probably push for one of those AAC backfills and be in a pretty decent spot. Wouldn't have to go West at all. Or... we can make ourselves attractive enough for the big12 backfill spot you've assigned to SMU. Can we do that by winning 8-9 games per year in C-USA? I don't know. But if moving to MWC and winning 8-9 games/year out there against the likes of Boise St and other teams on that level (slightly above C-USA level in every sports fans' eyes) would help, I'd be all for it.

NT fans in general bitch about anything. Imagine paying $5 coverage charge for the Coaches Caravan with refreshments provided. Now the shame of being charged like the vast majority of D1 programs for premium tickets. I made a very easy calculation, maintaining premium seatings is not high enough on my priorities to continue. However, I don't fault Baker or the university for their decision. There too many NT fans who squawk about lack of commitment to athletics by the University., but then complain when any attempt is made to raise revenues from fans. Kudos to Steamin- for supporting the program at a high level, but the truth is that athletic departments are not ran on prior donations. Contribute at the level you feel comfortable with. I don't understand why anyone who supported the program enough to have Club access would not attend future games because they have felt wronged because NT had the gaul to raise donations level for premium seats.

i am confused by this section. i understand the cost going up, but the level of competition has stayed the same. the number of home games/non-weekday games has been better. from 2012-2016 we had two seasons of 5 home games and 4 seasons of a weekday game and two seasons of 5 home games where one of them was a weekday game. also, i bet you could sell your tickets on this board and not have to give them away. :)

https://247sports.com/Player/Myles-Price-46050101 http://www.hudl.com/video/3/8316091/59f4a87fda5c0c2748ad5deb He holds offers from TCU, SMU, and UNT. He is 5'9 170 pounds and ran a 4.38 at TCU and a 4.41 at SMU. He also returns kicks and punts and was the 14-5A 2 way Player of the Year. IMO he was the district MVP but they gave that award to seniors this year... don't get me started! He he is being recruited as an ATH by all the schools who have offered but most like him the best at WR. He will play slot for us this year as well as RB and maybe some Wildcat QB who knows. The kid is electric with the ball in his hands.

Need to stop worrying about SMU. 2 years of frustration is about to be taken out on the ponies at Apogee on 9/1. This one, to me, is almost as certain as UIW & Liberty.

I mean....At least one won't talk....#amirite

We won a lot of close games last year, which usually means that you'll revert back a few games the next year. I expect this. I see the following happening in 2108: Near Certain wins--Incarnate Word, Liberty, @Rice, @UTEP Probable wins--Southern Miss, @ ODU 50/50 games-- SMU, @ UAB, @ UTSA, and Louisiana Tech at home--they are always tough after a down year the season before Probable losses--@Arky, FAU I see us at 8-4...

If Rice can do this against UTSA, we can do it too. Baylor was quickly exposed the next few weeks on their way to a 1-win season. And Liberty came crashing back to earth, losing 4 straight games to the likes of Jacksonville St., St. Francis (PA), Kennesaw St., & Monmouth. Basically, if you're counting on Incarnate Word to be a sure-win (which, I believe UIW would beat Liberty)... you should also be counting on Liberty to be a sure-win.

Yes... if we lay an egg against smu, the rest of the season will be not as exciting. What a great opp to make a statement in front of a potentially great home crowd. Give us momentum going into the year instead of "the same old UNT" that most people will go back to

She's aiming Ivy/MIT/Cal Tech with UTD and UT on the radar (I...I just don't know if I can go on living if she becomes a Longwhorn). UNT is still on the table for financial matters and the fact that she might have opportunities here that she might not get in higher profile programs. She's likely to be published this coming year, which I doubt many other programs are offering at the sophomore level.

Purely in terms of scheduling, the garbage win addition of Liberty is outweighed by the additions of Houston, Cal, Memphis, and Wyoming so I guess for me it makes up for it.

There he is, the great safety/punt returner (and for a while a record holder as a receiver in the NFL) J.T. Smith. from WiKi, his NFL stats. John Thomas (J. T.) Smith No. 81, 86, 84 Position: Wide receiver, return specialist Personal information Born: October 29, 1955 (age 62) Leonard, Texas Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) Weight: 185 lb (84 kg) Career information College: North Texas Undrafted: 1978 Career history As player: Washington Redskins (1978) Kansas City Chiefs (1978–1984) St. Louis / Phoenix Cardinals (1985–1990) As coach: Iowa Barnstormers (2011) Interim head coach Career highlights and awards 2× Pro Bowl (1980, 1988) 3× All-Pro (1980, 1981, 1987) NFL receiving yards leader (1987) Career NFL statistics Receptions: 544 Receiving yards: 6,974 Receiving touchdowns: 35 Player stats at NFL.com John Thomas "J. T." Smith (born October 29, 1955) is a former professional American football player who played in the National Football League from 1978 to 1990. A 6'2", 185-lb. undrafted wide receiver and punt returner from the University of North Texas, Smith played for the Washington Redskins, the Kansas City Chiefs, and the St.Louis/Phoenix Cardinals. His best year as a professional came during the strike shortened 1987 seasonfor the Cardinals when he led the NFL with 91 receptions for 1,117 yards. J.T Smith has to be one of the most forgotten players that ever graduated from North Texas. And yet, next to Abner Haynes and Joe Greene, he was one of the most successful in the NFL.

Here is one of Coach Fry after UNT beat Tennessee in 75, and a bonus photo of the cheerleaders in 75

Here are a few from the Snow Bowl Homecoming game at Fouts vs. Florida State Nov 13, 1976

I have been on here plenty long, not that it matters. As for to suggesting that you don't belong, I never said that. Please reread. I asked why you are spending your time on here if you no longer support the program. You sure spend a lot of time on something you profess to no longer care about. As I stated in my post, just want to understand. Also, just because you say something "respectfully" doesn't make what follows respectful.

Original Flying Worm Here is a photo from a 2012 post by Harry on gomeangreen from the SMU game in '76

Then chances are we were gonna lose you anyway. I've heard of fickle fans but damn

After a long and storied history of being the worst kind of mediocre, some on this board are completely befuddled as to why people haven't come back after two winning seasons... Unbelievable. Casual fans are just wondering when UNT will regress back towards their historical average of suck-assery. To change that, you have to win, and win for a long time. Maybe things will change if we're able to sustain some success for a long period of time. How else can we get rid of the stench that the Mean Green brand has cultivated over the past couple decades?

But time zones, man???!!! And newspapers not being able to have a story about the game the next day... Why do you hate old people?? You know I'm messing with you--we agree on the MWC angle every bit as much today as we ever have--and we are deeply in the minority of UNT fans on that, sadly. I do believe--still--that the Big XII will eventually fall apart because the Pac 12 finally figures out how to network its league and add in members from the CST to compliment what they already have in the other two time zones. When it happens, some combo of the Texoma 4 and Kansas are going to head west to the Pac and the B1G. When it happens, I could see WVU finally getting a place in the ACC/SEC. If you are Iowa State, KSU, TCU, and Baylor, you're gonna be $hit outta luck. What I could see is the western AAC teams moving into the Big XII with the leftovers, seeing UH, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa join ISU, KSU, TCU, and Baylor. And that's when the AAC raids eastern CUSA schools and the MWC finally gets back into Texas, inviting some combo of UTEP, UTSA, Rice, and us to join them.

So your hate for Liberty is greater than your love for your university? You are willing to give up on the program because you don't like playing a team twice? Just want to understand the logic here.

Actually, even through the Sun Belt glory days the numbers were poor because our prior AD didn't put any effort in to building the MGC. Prior to that, it was an institutional issue dating back to President Matthews, so this is an entire culture change and chasing aging alums that have never given to the university or to the athletic department is almost futile. Go after the younger alums, recent grads and prime the current students.

I think 2 winning seasons over the last 10 years has more to do with the disappointing MGSF numbers than a single game/opponent.

DRC: https://www.dentonrc.com/sports/draper-thrilled-to-join-ranks-of-scholarship-players-in-unt/article_5e75572c-7c5c-58bf-a23f-7f6e5df5ceb0.html

I don't know if any of those are signature wins. Beating a lousy Arkansas team sounds good but if it happens when they are down and we go 8-4, not sure it does much. Does beating Cal or Tech really move the needle? I'm not sure beating a P5 moves the needle nationally unless they are ranked.

The record would still level out to 8-4, but with wins over Ark and SMU. Or go 8-4, probably not make the conf champ game while still losing to SMU and Ark. I can set aside a division "championship" for locked in wins against SMU, Ark, and nutsack. But that's just me.

And with this defense, I would accept 8-4 as a big picture regular season. If we can avoid splitting those 4 pivotal games and steal one I would call this a really good season. If we beat Arky and SMU and drop one like a SoMiss that I would suspect us winning while still being able to go 3-1 in those 4, I would call this a great season. I would trade losses to SoMiss, LaTech, and UAB for wins vs Ark, SMU, and UTSA. If I could be guaranteed those right now I would take them. I am conceding the division for monumental/pivotal wins.

I'm slightly worried. We have a good kicker that has had his confidence shaken while at Arkansas. Our offense has, at times, sputtered down close to the goal line so he will have plenty of chances to get that confidence boosted with chip shots. But yeah, T. Moore was big time for this program. Outside of Fine, he was team MVP in my opinion. Jeff Wilson was the engine that kept the team going. When he was out, you saw a drastically different team. 0-12 Rice kind of lingered around with us until the 4th Q with Wilson out and of course we saw the FAU 2.0 and Troy games. It's why people on this forum were legitimately asking if Fine could hit 5K yards this season, he may have to for us to be competitive. I just hope that the staff can instill some confidence in Smith and Co. and that they have grown and developed a bit going into this season.

If this is true, I'm really worried about our kicking game without T. Moore.

We could* have a 10-2 offense with a probable 4-8 defense. There is no telling how this season progresses. If we get good situational defense from our defensive guys, we could string together a good run in the season and end with a good record. If we get consistent 3-9/4-8 play from our defense, then there will be a lot of games like last year. So to have another good 9 or 10 win season, we will be banking on winning 5-7 1 score games. *We haven't seen an off season of preparation without Jeff Wilson. We all know what the offense has looked like without Jeff, but that was on short notice and preparation. I am eager to see what a Wilson-less offense looks like. Not really what it looks like, because I expect a lot of the same concepts, but see if there will be continued offensive continuity and success.

i'm not sure, but it seems like some of the dislike is caused by personal and/or political opinions of liberty university.

Great shot, but I really wanted to know what North Texas had on the side of their helmets.

http://www.culturesonar.com/vegas-zz-top-tale-of-two-brothers/ Rick

Until just recently, Southern Miss was a good example. They had a motto, “Anyone, anyplace.” And I think, without checking records, they did themselves proud. La Tech is another program that has been consistently successful until the last couple of years.

IF it does... I hope you stick around and come join the bourgeois down below instead of just walking away altogether. However, the obvious solution is to suck it up and pay more.

It's always been a lazy argument and obviously continues to be.

Tough to say. Army could have made it a stipulation that in order for the two games to be dropped, NT had to help find a replacement. Liberty also signed a multi-game agreement with Army (which coincidentally was announced at the same time as NT/Army were dropping its two games), which could have been in part brokered by NT. Liberty could have said they'd agree to Army if we played them in a home-n-home 2-game series.

That seems like an extreme overreaction. To not donate at all seems that something else is at play here. Football is expensive and market price changes. We get what we pay for, and I'm sorry that you are getting priced out (I got priced out last season and am in GA now), but I expect these pricing structure changes means we are in for a more quality athletic program, instead of coasting by with putting lipstick on aging facilities.

Well, deserved. That was the absolute right thing to do.

Carlos is awesome. Wears red pants for one week in May every year. Advocate for a lot of meaningful causes. He worked with the wife for 5 years, he comes to all football and most of basketball games. He is for sure going to be a cheerleader for athletics, and truly bleeds green through and through. Trading him for Silva.....this is a good day.