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  1. I'm for our players but really? The young talent that hasn't come anywhere near close to competing against a quality team? We're going to make a decision based on fear of losing them? We lost a bunch in the portal last year anyway. Keeping Littrell didn't stop that.
  2. COVID was a nationwide issue affecting everyone. It's not like we were disadvantaged. In fact, it had a more profound effect on teams on the east and west coast because they had much more stringent protocols (Cal is still being wrecked by COVID). If anything I think we benefited from COVID, we got to cancel A&M, UAB and Houston. All three would have been losses and the UTEP game was moved here. We barely won. I have little doubt we'd have lost that game if it were in El Paso.
  3. Except he actually doesn't you just want to believe he does. I get it. You're pro Seth. Maybe he's your neighbor. I've been a fan too and I wouldn't be angry if he got another year at 5-7 although I lean towards making a change. But saying he has the same resume as Fuente isn't true. I took the time to look up the most fair analytic comparison,the Sagarin ratings. This is what each coach inherited and what they did with it. I started three years before they took over and then ran the numbers for their tenure. You could argue they took over the same quality of team (if anything Memphis was slightly worse). But Fuente's success way surpasses Littrells. Seth's best team was in 2018 when he was #83 in the Sagarin. 4 of his 6 seasons he finished lower than 130. There's only 130 FBS teams so that means that using unbiased analytical statistics, there were FCS teams that finished higher than UNT in those years. I'm not saying Fuente is the best coach for UNT I'll Wren and Neal determine that but what I will say is the job Fuente did at Memphis was considerably more impressive than what Seth has done at UNT and arguing otherwise isn't is based on logic or facts. Year Sagarain Year Sagarin 2013 63 2009 130 2014 144 2010 173 2015 180 2011 182 2016 146 Littrell 2012 123 Fuente 2017 101 Littrell 2013 107 Fuente 2018 83 Littrell 2014 39 Fuente 2019 133 Littrell 2015 48 Fuente 2020 143 Littrell 2021 134 Littrell
  4. Probably because Memphis was 5-31 in the three previous seasons before Fuente got there and that was in CUSA. He was actually 17-15 in the AAC overall but 12-4 his final two years and left the talent that Norvell won with as well. Memphis might have been the worst FBS program in the country when he took over. 4 2018 American 8 6 0 .571 5 3 0 .625 2.27 -3.88 Mike Norvell (8-6) Birmingham Bowl-L 5 2017 American 10 3 0 .769 7 1 0 .875 8.52 -0.79 16 25 Mike Norvell (10-3) Liberty Bowl-L 6 2016 American 8 5 0 .615 5 3 0 .625 2.96 -1.11 Mike Norvell (8-5) Boca Raton Bowl-L 7 2015 American 9 4 0 .692 5 3 0 .625 6.55 0.16 15 Justin Fuente (9-3), Darrell Dickey (0-1) Birmingham Bowl-L 8 2014 American 10 3 0 .769 7 1 0 .875 7.22 -4.25 25 25 Justin Fuente (10-3) Miami Beach Bowl-W 9 2013 American 3 9 0 .250 1 7 0 .125 -7.41 -2.66 Justin Fuente (3-9) 10 2012 CUSA 4 8 0 .333 4 4 0 .500 -11.09 -5.34 Justin Fuente (4-8) 11 2011 CUSA 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -18.17 -6.17 Larry Porter (2-10) 12 2010 CUSA 1 11 0 .083 0 8 0 .000 -19.43 -1.51 Larry Porter (1-11) 13 2009 CUSA 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -12.06 -0.81 Tommy West (2-10)
  5. Successful 2nd chance guys (like Dykes) generally have a way higher success rate than taking a chance on the up and coming guys. I'm a fan of Seth Littrell the person but he's had six years. He hasn't beaten anyone worth a damn (100 or higher) since 2017. And even the biggest homer can't look at these last three years and point to any measure of progress. There's risk to any hire we would make, but what we get with Seth is a known. And it isn't good.
  6. For the exact same reasons UNT is looking at new, so is OU. https://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklahoma-basketball-take-a-look-at-the-proposal-for-new/article_778d4232-9d8c-11e7-8d2f-bfd96c530d6d.html The old concrete structures are next to impossible to modernize without spending more than a new one would cost. Lloyld Noble has no suites, club or premium and they never come close to filling it because it's too big. You can't create supply & demand and you can't make any money off of premium seating. It's almost the exact same issues as the Super Pit.The Ferrell Center in Waco has the same issues and is being replaced. The only school that has successfully renovated one of these types of structures is Houston which spent nearly $70 million in 2017 dollars on Hoffeinz. They have a really nice club but still no suites for that price tag which would probably be closer to $100 million in todays dollars. UNT could have a hell of a brand new arena with plenty of restrooms, ADA accomodations and premium seating right sized for less than Houston spent on their renovation.
  7. The AD that hired Rhule and Aranda is Mack Rhoades. That's who Wren worked for at Missouri when they hired Barry Odom (who did a pretty good job too). Rhoades also hired Tom Hermann at Houston. So hopefully Wren is talking to him.
  8. Agree with you on this and I think the timing of this is even more important. Those of us that have been around a while know that before the combo of Baker/Smastresk athletics has never been a priority or supported at a high level. (as a side note I wasn't the biggest RV fan but building Apogee with the lack of support at the time was a huge accomplishment). I would think coaches and agents see what has happened under Wren and Neal and say man, that's impressive. But a quick google search would reveal Neal is 70 years old. Maybe I'm wrong but I see this announcement coming out at this time as saying " Hey, our AD is going to be here to see us transition to the American conference, come coach the Mean Green!" If that's the case, very smart IMO.
  9. That's a no vote from me. I respect GP but it seems there's reasons he's being pushed out. Rumors behind the scenes that he's become a nightmare to deal with, the whole debacle where he repeated a racial slur, some of the highest portal turnover in the country. GP has been an incredible coach, but there's no reason to believe his best days aren't far behind him. When you have a statue in front of the stadium and the best relationships with boosters of anyone on campus and still get pushed out, there's probably reasons. To be clear, I'd have GP on my list. But definitely not at the top and for sure not before conducting a nationwide search. But hey, I'm a blue collar worker so what the hell do I know?
  10. I didn't necessarily walk away with that impression. But Seth was in attendance and he was talking with several donors so it might've been awkward if they didn't recognize. He did get applause when Hank mentioned him. Wren praised RV as well as most of us on here don't remember that tenure fondly. My point is, one can point out accomplishments and highlights of a coach without committing to them long term. What I didn't here last night was, we're looking forward to Seth winning AAC championships. That would have cause me to have ring the fire bell 🙂
  11. Huh? How long you been following UNT? In WB's first couple years on the job literally half the admin staff turned over. I bet we had more turnover in those two years than in the decade before combined. There's pretty much an entire new staff.
  12. I don't even think it was a 2 for 1. I think a body bag game was scheduled first by RV (this game) and then Wren scheduled a home and home. After this I think the only body bag game left is Wisconsin. https://dentonrc.com/sports/colleges/mean_green/football-unt-adds-home-and-home-series-with-missouri/article_2db641c1-1108-5bbd-981d-7775bbcbabfa.html
  13. You always bring up Benford and I'm confused on why. WB was hired in August of 2016. The decision to keep Benford for that year had already been made. At the end of the season, he made a change and hired McCasland. You're making assumptions because he took seven months to assess the program or because he didn't fire him midseason? He let him go the day after the season ended. I personally think mid season firings are the wrong way to go especially now with the portal but to be clear Benford had already been given another year when Baker came in.
  14. I would argue that we've only been serious about athletics for a decade or so. For years we had the awful budgets, god awful (in some cases on existent facilities), and no commitment (went FCS for God sakes). Now we are top two in facilities in CUSA, top two in budget and top 3 in conference championships (all sports) since joining the league. I think I read our top 3 winning percentages (for all sports with head to head records) occured in the last five years. We have over 40,000 students and over 400,000 alums and we sit in DFW, the #5 DMA. And Denton County is the fastest growing county in the US. We've been to bowl games 4 out of 5 years and won 9 games back to back in 2017 and 2018. I get the 4 out of seems cheap since two were with sub .500 records but guess what Charlotte (another team being discussed) has 1 bowl appearance ever. I believe when SMU, Tulane and Memphis went to the AAC all had losing records for 8 or more years. All are enjoying some of their greatest success. So I would think other teams see the potential we have. One other note. We don't have to be better than the teams currently in the AAC or MWC. We only have to be more attractive than the other candidates. Look at the other teams listed UAB, Charlotte, FAU, UTSA, Rice. Everyone of those teams have weaknesses in their resume.
  15. I can't remember her name but I think softball was fired. And not renewing a contract (i.e. Benford) is pretty much the same IMO. But I agree that's a huge buyout to weigh. And if we get in a different conference, seems like we'll owe several million to CUSA to exit so timing is probably not ideal.
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