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I'll know we've made it as a program when we no longer rehash decades old games to draw inspiration. Then I won't have to worry about the impression it gives visiting fans and/or young NT fans.

http://www.ragincajuns.com/mobile/index.aspx?rp_id=478 By the way, if you didn't know, the Lady Cajun's softball team beat Stanford and made it to the Super Regionals, and last Thursday true Freshman phenom Pitcher Jordan Wallace only gave up three hits to take down defending National Champion Arizona State in their first game of three. State would take the next two to eliminate ULL last weekend. ULL finished the season 53-6. But interestingly, Wallace, who was 27-1 after that game, and who won her first 23 games this year before taking her first loss, is from Weatherford TX. I love the fact that this kind of talent is right here locally, we just got to go out and get them here instead of letting the likes of ULL recruit them out from under our very nose. Rick

I'll have a good bit to say in the next few days about this period of time and events but let me take your question first. Until 1982, universities playing at the highest level were known as "major college" or Division I. The NCAA at that time decided to divide those wanting to join the highest group into Division IA and Division IAA. The requirements for Division IA were a stadium of 30,000 and average attendance of 17,000. Fouts Field had a capacity of 20,000 at the time and meeting the stadium requirement would have meant the addition of 10,000 seats. Also, we were not in a conference so having 17,000 would have been tough since our home games were the lower rungs of the IA ladder. Also at that time, the Board of Regents had decided to upgrade the academics of the university. That meant the removal of C.C. Nolen since he did not have a doctorate. Jitter Nolen was the driving force behind retaining Division I football. The BOR decided that we could not have "guns and butter" at the same time so they opted not spending major dollars to expand the stadium and the added cost that went with Division IA football and instead to add curriculum and distinguished professors. Entrance requirements were improved. New buildings were added. It would be a dozen years before Chancellor Hurley and the Board of Regents felt secure in returning North Texas football to its rightful place.

The sad part is, back in those days I followed North Texas football, mainly through the newspaper, occasionally I would attend a game, but never once even new there was a booster club. I was never asked for donations or sent season ticket information. To bad communications were not effective like they are today. Thanks for posting that letter. Just a little UNT history...........oh, wait! We shouldn't mention these things to the new "ass kicking" generation of fans.

You are so right about every bit of what you've posted, Emmitt. I really should have respected the Sun Belt Conference more than I did. GMG!

I will be partial to Connor "the BUS" Trussell. Will be fun season....cant wait

Will Wright Wright will have to step up big time this season playing along side Jeremy Phillips and Zach Orr. Losing Stok hurt, the kid was beast plain and simply put, but Wright is probably more inclined in the passing game and more of a physical presence. He has the tools and the size to be a playmaker, he just hasn't shown it yet. Hopefully with another season to develop we'll start to see the front seven take over games, I think we'll have 4 all conference selections from the front seven.

275 right now.

I think P1 may be my new favorite poster. He posts things which are clearly (I'm hoping) tongue in cheek just to see if anyone can recognize sarcasm. And, time and again, his attempts to draw people offsides are effective. Kudos for that. I think the meanings of some posts may be getting a bit lost here. I know that for my part I fully appreciate the accomplishments of the past. Any fool can recognize how good Joe Greene and Abner Haynes were. But I guess I depart from the sentiments of those same people who prop them up, all the while attempting to use their greatness to juxtapose with the current crop of teams. How can you in one breath (post) talk about just how far along we'd be if only a call had gone our way in 1968...and then in the next one basically write off an era where four straight conference titles actually were WON. Disparaging the Sun Belt ad nauseum, talking about how no team reached the top 25, and essentially cheapening the accomplishments of those teams is asinine at best...and ruinous to our program at worst. We are in CUSA now so we'll be getting traffic from a whole new crop of onlookers. How in the world can we expect them to come over here and see us run down our current home (SBC) and the titles we won in it, which the world outside of this message board knows us for, and then not think we're just plain silly for championing our near misses? Ask your average Joe on the street what they know about NT football. If they know anything they'll mention the bowl run. Ask Mac and the coaches what they sell to the recruits. Is it "we're not that far removed from winning multiple conference titles" or is it "Hey, 40 years ago we almost beat Arkansas"? Again, those teams were awesome. But let's just not sit here and continue to downplay the era of NT football that might actually draw in the average fan and get us to where we want to be.

Im trying to figure out what message it sends and why it's wrong?

No respect for many of the old "gramps" who, along with the students, did their part in getting that new stadium. How many of you "younger" kickass fans donated funds specifically for the stadium? Without all of that old, boring football history maybe older fans would not have donated a dime.

You take out the dropping to 1AA years (not that they were horrible for 1AA), and you take out the results of the recent TD debacle, and our history isn't all that bad. Maybe not great in comparison to the big-time programs, but certainly not something to run and hide from. The 1AA thing essentially eliminated the 80's and 90's (including "reconstruction") from our "recent" big-time football history, so we really have no choice but to go back pretty far to even find any real 1A history prior to this century. Twenty year olds are naturally going to have short memories, so I guess going back 30+ years seems too ancient to be relevant. Those memories will get longer soon enough.

BULL!!!!....Mustafa Haboul...freshman from Arlington Martin.

Neinas did a good job. Regarding other schools and their success relative to others--It's always easiest to just bitch about what others have and whine about what you don't. Takes less effort, and makes a convenient excuse for lack of the same. Or even better, just make sh1t up and pass it off as truth, or continue rehashing the same old half-truths or outright lies, rather than just getting your own act together and going on with your bad self.

I don't get the obsession with black. Just have a green helmet and white logo. But then how would people know who we are? Oh wait, maybe they'd hear the announcers say our name every 30 secs or see it on the screen the entire game...

BOOM

you celebrate the "domination" of a team that was 3-9 that season and that unT is 1-12 against all time and that beat unT the next year in dominating fashion when they were 3-8 pretty high standards for a "big win" and "domination" there

Well, it's a shame that he couldn't utilize their talents while he was coaching them.

Thank you! This thread almost makes me sad to be a UNT fan. Who gives a flip about regular season games that happened 35+ years ago. As me and my friends say, "close the yearbook, man."

I believe you answered your own question.

Helping to host another pre-game tailgate mixer............."The devil made me say it".

I am looking forward to Laurie censoring this.

The local media only covered us when we were winning for two reasons. 1) When winning we were never a threat to the local dallas team because it was only the Missouri Valley, Southland, Big West or Sun Belt. Who cares? Perception. And second it was used more as a slap in the face to smu in an effort to motivate them. " the Sun Belt may suck but at least they are winning it." IMHO I dropped my subscription to the dmn almost 4 years ago and I told them exactly why.

Hard to be overly impressed with your clip Harry. He obviously is good at zone read and the short pass and passes to the flat. No real plays of him reading coverage for plays over 10 yards except that prayer throw off his back foot (impressive). THIS clip together with the one you posted gives me more confidence in this guy. I'd love to see him in Green! He makes some very nice throws in this clip.

You are 100% correct and don't forget what you have just said when you hit retirement age, too, if your lucky enough to make it to retirement age. Many of us have numerous friends and acquaintainces who didn't. I will never forget actor Michael Landon on the Johnny Carson show weeks before he died looking straight into the TV camera telling America just how short life can be and would be for him. I remember seeing Ron Shanklin at Fouts and a few months before he died pulling for his Mean Green and looking too thin and frail. It was an unsettling scene for the many of us who loved that guy. He was family. GMG!

Would she pose for a calendar? I'm lonely.

pipe dream of false reality 1. the Big 12 has equal revenue sharing http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205307786 2. the teams in the Big 12 declined to go to the PAC because they stand to make more money in the Big 12 and have better TV schedules and game times and the potential for being on TV more often 3. Mizzu gets more cash, but they will not make the cut in the SEC and their Texas recruiting will fall off the map just like it did for Arkansas and Nebraska 4. the Big 12 teams are locked in for the next 6 years and possibly 13 years if they negotiate a new TV deal 5. OU is not one of the top ten athletics revenue teams by following Texas around and OU has had more success throughout the years than Texas and they take a back seat to no one (and I hate even having to say that) 6. in 07-08 Mizzu was #6 in Big 12 revenue sharing in 08-09 they were #4 in 09-10 Mizzu was #5 and Kansas was #1 7. you can blame UT all you wish for the LHN, but it was actually Nebraska that was on track to get their network up and running and Nebraska that was just as if not more vocal about uneven revenue http://www.omaha.com/article/20100830/BIGRED/708309872#the-big-ten-decision

RV has already said that a great deal of unT history was allowed to waste away in the bowels of fouts and you really think that highlights of a 5 point win in 1978 over a 3-8 OkState, or wins from 1986 and 1919 over TCU and the already mentioned single win over a terrible Baylor team are really things that current recruits want to see? why not include the back to back 1976-1977 "wins" by forfeit over Mississippi State?

I'm wondering how my comment about "no mention of" turned into hoping and praying? If I was "hoping and praying" I certainly would have remembered his frigg'in name.... Like Delgado last spring I was noticing Renger from the early work-outs. He carries himself and moves about like someone who is very confident in his abilities. The same body language btw that I noticed in Brelan Chancellor when he arrived in the fall of his freshman year. Everyone thought that Brelan Chancellor was just the "accessory" sign-up in order to get Brandin Byrd, but he turned out to be much more. I was so impressed with Mr. Chancellor that when I was introduced to the WR coach I told him (in front of FFR) that I didn't know how they were going to keep him off the field and red-shirt him. The flip was just the (aberrant and lucky) exclamation point of Renger's spring participation. He showed a lot of hustle and a lot of confidence in spring practice. THAT means more to me than a "flip". Too me, there is always room for someone like that on MY team. I don't know about yours. I tend to agree that if walk-ons do better than ship players then we have some serious problems with recruitment.......AND ASSESSMENT ABILITIES with our coaching staff.

Yea... And the only people who care about that kinda stuff at those schools are OLD too. This world is for younger more kickass fans. Sorry gramps.

It'd be a whip! The AK GEN would win four in a row and the OTs would never acknowledge it. They'd probably follow up each loss with a beer and reminisce about their favorite gmg.com flag football game loss.

First an off-field incident. Then he gets kicked off team for missing a meeting. If he was expendable at Kansas, which is not exactly USC, why would we want to build our team around him? It's not like he was a 5 star player. He is a 3 star player. Wy not find another 3 star player with less baggage?

Green P1, you and and handful of your pals are real smart asses now arent' you? (Did you like that tricked-up sarcasm, Emmitt)? I like this board more and more....with all the subtlety and all. Makes me think we have some real intellectuals among our crowd. I know it has its share of smart asses who don't like to talk about any North Texas athletic era other than their own. And I don't take very lightly any insinuation that I'm out to kill anyone. Are you just plain assed dumb or stupid for suggesting such, Green P1? I don't find any humor in that--tricked up sarcasm or not. I might want to put a boot in their ass, but that would just about do it. Harry, please tell the Romper Room section of GMG.com to change their diapers because they're beginnning to really stink it up on this board and they have already caused another group of true fans and supporters who used to be regulars on this board for years to basically leave for another message board quite frankly; or even if still a member of this board to not post as much as they used to and that because of this little clique on this board. And you have here a clique who seem to want to remind all just how awfully smart they are and how god'awful lucky North Texas is to have them, yet hijacking a thread most of which are informative or turning a thread that was going along quite smoothly with positive posts from several respondents into something negative because it just didn't suit them (or their era as UNT students) is a most unusual way for this little group to get get noticed which i guess is a main priority for them. GMG!