TIgreen01

Dude...that's going too far and sad if true.

4 games isn't just a stretch, that's a giant stretch while full on the green kool-aid! It's not just the loses anymore....the circus came to town halfway through last season (racism charges) and hasn't left (players leaving/APR scores/drugs/arrests/etc). This program is a train wreck.

Jeez....ok, swiping a card 3 times for cookies, a coke and some chips.....?! How do you get to 26 all that quickly?! Unless you have 8 friends standing in line as you're doing this (and giving them all free cokes/chips/cookies), this is STILL more than a one time impulse thing! I'd rather have my taxes go to bigger and better things, but I can't say that taking care of small situations, like this, doesn't help deter people from taking bigger risks the next time around. I agree that I'd try to work this out myself, first, before going to police for the same reasons you've been covering. That didn't happen here for whatever reason and the people who reported this are certainly within their rights to do so. I'm not sure why we have to spend time trying to make up excuses for some pretty stupid actions of one of our football players. What purpose does that serve? Make him feel any less dumb/guilty? Screw that. Everybody makes mistakes (though not always this big), but it's healthy for there to be consequences to face so that you won't keep making the same mistakes again and again.

You watch too many NCIS/Law&Order/etc shows! Seriously, though...if that turns out to be what really happened, then I scratch my last post entirely!

The dude used the card 26 times. TWENTY SIX. That is not an impulse decision...that is a repeated behavior. Getting in credit trouble is understandable in some instances (like losing your job and getting behind on student loans). Stop making apples to oranges comparisons, people. TWENTY SIX times he used the card. He's guilty, turned himself in and he'll receive a fair punishment. Should society throw him away for good? No...but hopefully he'll learn from this and someone will give him a chance to prove he has.

Yep. "Flax gradually went from a solid commitment, to a soft commitment to being back on the market, according to his high school coach." Got to give Vito credit here as the opportunity to tie this to our on-field performance is certainly there....follow the trend line...

Weird timing for this article to appear. Wonder if Dodge started on this track on his own or if he was specifically asked, by Vito, whether or not he'd return for his 3rd year...

From the thread, 'Todd Dodge....Please complete this sentence': "Todd Dodge.....should have remained a high school coach. Todd Dodge..... is no Darrell Dickey." Ouch....

Agreed, for his recruiting alone. Stoops walked into a talent pool that he has not been able to duplicate since....

Outstanding post....I agree with every single word.

I used to favor a playoff scenario, but have absolutely no faith that we'd ever be given access. Therefore, I hope this plays out in a fairly civilized manner. I think a +1 game would be the best option out there right now b/c I truly don't believe you'd ever see a playoff with more than 8 teams invited--which would ultimately just seed teams under a similar formula to what the current BCS uses. Now...if by some miracle, a playoff that allowed each conference champion access were to come about.....I'd definitely like to see it.

From a coaching perspective, I say DeLoach can absolutely do the job. I missed the radio show tonight, though and have never heard him speak in public---a BIG part of being a D1 HC. I've also heard that he never did like recruiting all that much (during his past stint here)--I have no idea how true that is, but am just bringing that up b/c I think the real question is whether or not he'd even want the job. Regardless of what happens with Dodge, I'd like for DeLoach to be a permanent fixture here in whatever capacity he'd like....and wouldn't have had a problem with Bliel getting that same chance during this last transition. I think that Dodge is still a great 'face' for the program. The HC job is "supposedly" not so much about Xs and Os as it is about setting a direction for the program, selling the program to the public, hiring good assistants that you can point in one direction and then let them do their jobs. To me, this current situation seems like it could be salvaged if we were able to make a few specific changes to the staff. I definitely am not an insider, though...so that's just pure speculation.

The first thing that popped into my head upon reading (crapping myself, in all honesty) shaft's thread about how we should have never fired DD was ----"where are Quoner's MMRs when we need them!?" Thank you.

Why wait for PHS to tell us?....if you can expound on this point, please---for the love of God!---do.

QFT. The definitive post on the 2008 season, if you ask me.

Forget punting....just kick the ball straight out of bounds. Take the penalty and give them the ball on their 40. This is the only way we can win this(or any) game. If we refuse to do this, we need to start making everyone on the ST unit(including coaches) do push-ups, on the sideline, for each yard given up on kickoff coverage. That would at least be entertaining.

Exactly. For this team to build upon this win, the coaches need to finally stop trying to run special teams plays....AT ALL. I propose kicking the ball straight out of bounds on every kickoff from here on out.

So we can expect a larger than normal turnout for attendance? Awesome!! My adjusted attendance prediction for this game is 600.....up from 300 had this been just a regular game.

Steve Warren got a lot of PT tonight and also layed some pretty good licks....anybody know what happened to Penson? Was he hurt or has Warren just passed him on the depth chart?

I'll agree that this story has the potential(and is realizing that potential as it's being picked up everywhere) to be a national story. Look, I'm not a Vito hater. I remember back to his days covering the DD teams and he was the one getting called the coaches lapdog b/c people wanted him to ask tougher questions and take DD to task in his pieces. Instead, he wrote solid factual stuff and didn't always find a way to work some kind of negative background stats/material into it that may or may not be relevant. I just don't understand what happened to get to the point he's now at. The only obvious change is that the Head Coach changed and Dodge doesn't give as much access as DD did. Maybe since he posts on this board now (to post links to the DRC website and his reports) he'll take time to comment?

No argument on the Phillips comment, but why is Vito's report the truth and Phillip's not? Seems like they both report on the same subject matter and facts. If you don't perceive a tone in Vito's article, then great. That's your opinion. In my opinion he goes out of his way to be negative. Just start reading right past the comment from Dodge that "We are past it now and can go down that road". "That road has been a rough one for UNT. The Mean Green is off to the worst start in the history of the program at 0-8 heading into a game at Western Kentucky University on Sat­urday and has lost nine straight games overall. Dodge came to UNT after winning four state titles in his last five seasons at Southlake Carroll High School. His arrival has helped in­crease interest in the football program. UNT averaged 17,734 fans per game last season, its highest total since 2003, and is averaging 18,754 fans this season. Earlier this month, Dodge also played a lead role in convincing UNT’s student body to approve an athletic fee that will help the school replace a rapidly deteriorating Fouts Field with a new football stadium" I don't see the relevance to the story being reported to discuss the teams "worst start in the history of the program". To his credit he turns around and lists positives...but they come off as trying to make an attempt to balance out the negative just brought up. My question is why is it relevant to the story? Phillips goes out of his way to be positive. However, if you DO think the team's record is, for some reason, relevant to this story then Phillips also cites it: "Dodge, whose team is 0-8 this season, said performance "de-hancing" in a number of players led him and assistant coaches to suspect drug use." In that sentence, he's definitely trying to paint Dodge in a better light by showing him as proactive to fixing a problem. Cheerleader? I don't know, possibly. The question is not whether both reporters report facts....clearly, there is nothing that is not factual in either snippet. But the question of relevance and how those facts are stated is what makes either piece too negative or too positive. Seems that that question is up for your own interpretation....to each his own.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as labeling this as reporters vs. cheerleaders. No matter how hard people try to use this line or argument, both papers report the facts. No one is disputing that. What is in question is why one consistently reports it with a negative tone while the other reports it with a consistently positive tone. So if we're going to name call, lets do it both ways. We've got a case of one reporter being an instigator/sensationalist and the other being a cheerleader. There always seems to be an agenda behind the reporting(in just about all news these days). Where is the dang reporting that is JUST what you say: Reporting? We can't get our news anymore without a healthy dose of opinion/spin piled on??

Can we get this thread back on track and start bashing Vito again? Please? Compare/contrast the 2 pieces concerning the drug testing released this week by DFW area newspapers....The DRC, Vito version vs. FWST, Troy Phillips. News is news, yes....but one reports it with a negative tone while the other reports it with a positive tone. We've gone over this ad-naseum for at least a year (dating back to the racism coverage last season). I think it reached a critical point this last week with this piece and separately having George Dunham call Vito out during the Troy game broadcast. Like it or not, that was a public statement that the AD and people close to the program are tired of the way Vito reports the "news" at North Texas.

would have predicted a close loss before today's news about the drug test....now that I know that and it's being published in newspapers/tv/etc: blowout loss of epic proportions

So is this the explanation as to why certain coaches aren't allowed to play the guys they want to play---as has been rumored here on the board? The players they are wanting to play are being punished for failing the drug test? I never could tell with all the other talk about seniors being benched in favor of throwing the young guys to the wolves. I'm sure it's probably a little of both....?? Anyone truly know the answer? If this is what has been going on and we've actually been taking steps to clean this up, I don't see how anyone can bash the coaching staff for trying to clean up a drug problem on the team. Unless you think doing drugs isn't really that big a deal. Also, Dodge's statement about thinking that we don't have a drug problem could be due to the idea that he now thinks the steps they are taking are working or have/will work to help fix the problem. When was the drug test conducted?