BillySee58

Got bounced in the first round. Kid did everything for that team but mix the Gatorade.

https://twitter.com/willie_hill/status/429389614546423808 Chico says we're filled up for 2014. Might just mean we're not looking into any more prospects, not necessarily that we're all full on commits.

Florida Gators hosted a junior day last weekend and are hosting another one this weekend.http://florida.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=882&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1604397 As is Clemson. http://clemson.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=911&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1604314 Tennessee head coach flew to New Mexico to meet with a 2015 qb prospect. http://tennessee.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=879&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1603392 Auburn coach visited a 2015 kid. http://auburn.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=884&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1603644 Not saying that's what Chico was doing, but coaches are visiting with 2015 kids already. I think the catch is that the coach has to visit the kid at his high school, likely in the coaches office. No in-home visits yet; that much I'm 99% sure of. Chico's tweet said it was an in-home visit, so that wasn't the case. SN: Very excited about our upcoming junior day. Not saying we get a commit, but I'm sure we'll impress plenty of talented juniors.

Many schools are starting up their 2015 recruiting know. Lets those kids know they will be a priority in the upcoming cycle, and makes sure they will be attending junior day next Saturday. A lot of coaches all across the country visiting with 2015 kids this week. Especially with qbs. Coaches like to visit with the guys they will be going after next class. Keep in mind it was just a day trip and Chico will be back for the weekend when the official visitor(s) (don't know anyone outside of Wilson) will be here. My point is you're reading too much into the implications of what this means for our 2014 class if it was a 2015 kid he was seeing, 90

I have no idea who they're after down there. I couldn't imagine us going after another receiver with the haul we have there and the fact that we're apparently having a little trouble squeezing Chumley in as it is. Who knows though?

https://twitter.com/coachcanales/status/429378980974571521

Dang. Almost forgot about the MUTS getting an at large. As for our current conference, I said I thought UTEP would win the regular season crown when Greg came out with that power ranking last week. The top 3 teams are all close but UTEP is playing really well and have the length and athleticism that puts them over the top for me. They've got things figured out with their current roster configuration without the guys who got dismissed. Could you imagine if UTEP still had those guys and Isaac Hamilton had ended up at El Paso after signing with them? Their depth is a little concerning without those guys though. When I watch teams like UTEP play it just makes me that much more anxious to finally see Greg Wesley and Jeremy Combs put on a Mean Green uniform. Can't wait for that (please happen!).

Yeah, not exactly a catch. Poor wording on my part. But yes, it's pretty cut and dry how it works and why it works that way. The flaws of the star system are inherent no matter how much better the system has become or will become. But it has proven to be about as accurate as it could conceivably be while only measuring what a kid does in between the white lines in high school. Often just off highlight tapes and not in person.

Didn't read it but I saw one of the stats. I think there are four 5-stars playing in the Super Bowl, which is a high amount considering how few 5-stars there are. The catch is, if you're playing in the Super Bowl you're more likely to have been a two star or three star than a five star, but if you're a five star you're more likely to play in the Super Bowl. Same applies to the NFL draft. Kind of confusing, but read it a few times and it makes sense. Exactly. Coaches will find you if you're a good player and many times players are often late bloomers or just simply guys who were overlooked. It'll always happen.

Nor am I criticizing you for not putting much stock into it. The horse race analogy, while I don't go to the races, is actually a really good analogy. For each individual player, the stars they get mean nothing in the end. Thank you very much. I am very excited about the 2015 class and SOC is a school that we need to absolutely make a priority here. This is not the SOC from when I was playing in high school a few years ago. Hopefully we get plenty of those guys at our junior day on February 8th.

Well done.

His listing at utility was not based on what position he played, but rather that they just couldn't leave him off the list. They can justify him as a utility player based on the fact that he utilized different skill sets to help them win (running and passing, obviously). Murray had better stats than White both rushing and passing and Mahomes had better passing stats than both. Actually can say I saw all three of them play on this one! It's close, all are great high school players, but I agree with DCTF. Also agree that you can't leave White off the list which is why putting him at utility makes sense and is what I would do. Saying you think White should be first or second team qb is a completely legitimate argument though. No shame in getting edged out by those two guys though.

How much stock you put into stars is entirely up to you. But if you follow recruiting you will always see how many stars are tied to each prospect. It's just a measuring stick so prospects from all areas of the country and who play different positions can be compared. 17 of the 32 first round picks in last year's NFL draft were 4 or 5 stars on Rivals. 12 more were 3 stars, most of which were borderline 4 stars. Over 50% of the first round picks in the NFL draft were 4 or 5 stars, but only about 8% of FBS players in college football were 4 or 5 stars. So the stars were generally right. People like to point at the exceptions and outliers, but the star system is good. It's flawed by nature and there's no way around it, but there is plenty of validity to it. Also have to take into account that they're judging almost solely on athletic potential, which is far from all you need to be a successful D1 football player and make it to the NFL. We see first hand guys who were unranked and guys who were overrated. My rule of thumb if I'm just looking at stars and not offer lists and film (both of which I value higher than stars) is to never write off a kid because he doesn't have a lot of stars and never assume a kid will be a stud because he has a lot of stars. Stars are not always reliable with kids individually, but as a whole it's a little different story.

Nobody said 5-6 years. 97and03 said 4-5 years, which is how long these guys play here. And as Lifer said, saying all you need to judge this class is seeing how they do when they first touch the field is just absurd. Guys improve throughout their careers, which is stating what should be the obvious.

Chumley now listed as a commit on ESPN. Chumley overtakes Kicker Trevor Moore (75 grade, 3-star) as our highest rated commit according to ESPN with a grade of 77 (3-star). Any grade between 70 and 79 is rated a 3-star. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/school/_/id/249/class/2014 We now have seven 3-star commits on ESPN, which is a record for us in ESPN's limited time of having a recruiting service and even more limited time using the star system. Say what you want about stars and how flawed the system is, it helps with perception. Sure, high rated guys don't always work out but keep in mind they are rated on their athletic potential. Whether or not they end up have the mental side to be a successful D1 student-athlete is another story. We have a very good class now, we will sign a very good class no matter how the class shakes out on signing day, and it is showing off in the individual prospect rankings. Good things to look forward to in recruiting.

That's why the rule is that if the guy only plays one year, or no years in the case of a blueshirt, as a walkon before being put on scholarship then he counts towards the upcoming class. If he is a true walkon who comes in and scratches and claws his way to a scholarship after a few years (like Tanner Smith) then he just counts towards the 85 limit. Although guys like Kaydon Kirby are worth the scholarship towards the signing class. But yes, the rule is more for blueshirt type situations. Bringing a guy in and letting him know that they will be putting him on scholarship right away or after just one year.

The disappointing part about coach Pete is that he actually had proven himself as a head coach. Obviously we gave Benny his first opportunity to be a head coach, so that was a risk to begin with. Coach Pete was the all-time winningest coach at Wake Forest and was coming off leading them to a 20-win season. Can we please make a good hire on the baseball front?

Committed, but there's a hold up on whether or not he can sign with us.

I think Johnson would be a good addition, especially if we can't get X. If we do get X, then we're talking about bringing in 5 d-linemen. At least 2, maybe 3 of which end up being d-tackles. We will only have 1 senior d-tackle this upcoming year, so we will be able to bring in some more d-tackles next class and have time to develop them. We also need to see the young guys like Sir Calvin, Syd Moore, Dutton Watson, Haboul, and maybe a true freshman this year (Tauaalo or Shaq Jackson) step up to have that time to develop young guys. My thing is I'd take Chumley over Johnson. Not an easy decision, but I'd be fine with just signing what we have at d-tackle, especially if we're getting Chumley and maybe X too (fingers crossed).

The 25 cap per class is what's c blocking us on this. It's a lot easier to make room on your roster and expect guys will transfer/quit than it is to try to make room in your class. I have quite the love/hate relationship with the 25 cap. Love it because schools like UT can't sign 30 kids and many trickle down to schools like us as a result, hate it because we will be at least 5 scholarships short of 85 on our roster next year, then you factor in the likely, almost inevitable, transfers and guys who quit football for whatever reason. We can't sign extra guys to accommodate for that.

1. If we have two spots left: Take the Chumley commit and tell Jeffery Wilson he will have a spot if X goes elsewhere and if X decides to come to UNT then Wilson will be given a grayshirt opportunity. If X doesn't commit to us and Wilson doesn't either then save that extra scholarship for next class, where we could then sign 26 kids instead of 25 (as long as at least one member of next year's class is a mid-term enrollee). 2. If we have just one spot left: If X doesn't commit then Chumley gets the spot. If X commits to us then make room for Chumley by either blueshirting Trevor Moore or grayshirting Johnavahn Graham. It would suck to grayshirt Graham since he was our first commit, but we are his only offer mainly because he missed almost the whole year with a broken leg. We wouldn't need to worry about losing him. He would likely redshirt next year anyways and I'm sure he's grateful of us sticking with him through the broken leg and giving him the opportunity to have a D1 scholarship. Then give Jeffery Wilson a grayshirt offer as well. As for Ngalo and Johnson, I think we are fine at linebacker and d-tackle respectively. Both good players but you can't make room for everyone. Personally prefer Tauaalo over Johnson anyways, but Johnson has a little more natural size so he has been very coveted. Tauaalo is a little more versatile as well, as where I think Johnson would be a pure nose/1-tech. Grayshirting Graham would be tough to ask of him since I'm sure he wants to come back and make a difference right away, but it could be a good thing. Not only would he have ample time to get his leg back to 100%, but he could potentially have more time to grow into a d-tackle. Not saying force feed the kid and make him a d-tackle (I don't like when coaches do that, although often necessary) but if he grayshirts and maybe redshirts after that then he would have two years out of high school before he plays his first snap in college. That'd be a lot of time off but plenty of time to see if he has the ability to grow into a d-tackle. Or he could stay at end. Either way, he'd have time to let the coaches push him in the weight room and see what they can get from him and his body.

I've said this ad nauseum, but I think blueshirting Trevor Moore would be a great way to solve this problem. Again, a blueshirt is when you bring a player in as a walkon at the beginning of fall camp and you put him on scholarship before school starts, so he never actually pays any tuition. The player then counts towards the next year's recruiting class (2015 in this case). The catch is that the player cannot have been recruited (been on an official visit to the school where he is blueshirting or hosted the coaches on an in-home visit). To my knowledge Trevor Moore is our only commit who has not been on an official visit. I could be wrong. We have room on our roster to do this. The hiccup we are having is the 25 player max per class, not the 85 total scholarship player hard cap. We have plenty of room in the 85 player hard cap, not so much the 25 player limit.

What argument? I hate the argument that you should start an older guy over a freshmen because he might have growing pains. That's a bad argument to me, especially with the way young guys have been performing at qb, as you said. You play the guy who can give you the better chance of winning. Maybe the young guy throws an extra pick here and there, but if he leads you to more points and scoring drives then the other guy was the one turning the ball over more in reality (on downs). That wasn't the argument that CBL was making. He was saying tap the brakes on anointing Dajon the starter for the next three years who will take us to new heights as a program. Not that he can't be successful as a redshirt freshman (assuming he gets the hardship waiver/medical redshirt like it seems he will). FWIW, I think Dajon has that potential as well. But I'm in the boat with CBL that I need to see him win the job first and show something outside of garbage time.

This kid wouldn't be walking on. He would grayshirt, or someone else would grayshirt to make room. Maybe grades, but that didn't sound like the problem according to Vito. Sounded like an issue of room in the class.