BillySee58

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Hey everyone! Hope you all enjoyed national signing day! Just wanted to encourage you all to check out the recruiting forum. Obviously, there isn't near as much traffic there as there is here in the Football forum, but as we get commits earlier and compete against bigger schools for bigger name recruits, maybe it will start to become comparable. Plenty of recruiting going on year round, and it's very fun to follow. Not asking for you to obsess over it everyday, but stop by from time to time and get to know the class as it develops well before signing day. UNT will be hosting a junior day this Saturday. 2015 hopes to be a great encore to our 2014 class, and should be very special. I have a couple write ups about where we stand going into 2015 recruiting and who we've already offered. Check it out!

DT - seniors: 1 - non seniors: 6 Projected 2015 signees: 3 One of the concerns because we have seen only two of our current d-tackles play, and have only one at or above 300 lbs. Two guys here who could play the nose/1-technique would help out our depth there substantially. We could sign just 2 and sign a big defensive end who would be likely to gain enough weight to move inside and play the 3-technique. Grayshirt Shaq Jackson counts here. DE - Seniors: 2 - non Seniors: 4 Projected 2015 signees: 3 Another likely priority in the recruiting class. Not a lot of d-linemen signed the last two classes so we will likely fill up in 2015. With potentially two senior starters at end, this is a position where getting a JUCO is a very much a possibility. We could get 4 ends, can't see any less than 2. I would say 6 total d-linemen and maybe a tweener or two who could play end or tackle. Although we could use some size to stay at defensive end as well. Grayshirt Jon Graham is counted here, but could move inside if he adds weight during his grayshirt and maybe a redshirt year as well. LB - Seniors: 1 - non Seniors: 9 Projected 2015 signees: 2 Interesting position. We will only have one senior, and return only one starter. However, we will only have two true middle linebackers when this class gets to campus in 2015 and they will be a then-Senior (Anthony Wallace) and a then-Junior (Fred Scott). Coach Mac has loved signing these speed guys at outside linebacker and it's working quite well, but we could use another thumper in the middle to develop under Wallace and Scott. Could potentially see us signing 3 guys here if the coaches have a shot at getting a good JUCO guy. Keep in mind we have 4 rising junior LBs , so they will all be leaving at once which means taking more than just 1 LB to account for losing Akunne. CB - Seniors:1 - non Seniors:5 Projected 2015 signees: 2 One of the strengths on the team last year and likely this year. The coaches have made getting solid cornerbacks a priority in recruiting, and we have already offered 3 for 2015. Whitfield has settled into the nickel role very nicely, and getting a guy to groom into that role behind Whitfield for a year before he graduates would be a nice addition in this class. Also could use a good open field tackler like Buyers to have on the far side of the field, with 2014 signee Andrew Jones likely to play a lot on the short side . Could potentially sign 3 guys here. Safety - Seniors:2 - non Seniors: 4 Projected 2015 signees: 3 Another interesting position to watch. An outside shot at looking at a JUCO guy here, just by virtue of the possibility that both starting safeties might be seniors. Not to mention we might only return one strong safety in 2015 in Shilleci. Should be fun to watch the young guys play here this year, including a healthy Warner. I think there's a good chance we end up signing 5 defensive backs total, since we have the spots and maybe an "athlete" type player would fit best in the secondary. Athlete Projected 2015 signees: 1 Coach Mac, like many coaches, likes the idea of bringing guys in and seeing where they fit best. These athletes could end up being the running back for the class, 2nd or 3rd receiver in this class, the 5th or 6th db in the class, or anywhere depending on what type of athlete he is. I kind of accounted for an "athlete" ending up at various positions in my projections like RB or WR, so that's why I'm saying just 1 here. With up to 27 or 26 spots and just 17 departing seniors, we have room to take one, two, or a few athletes. Projected defensive signees: 13 Athletes: 1 Total: 24 SN: However many spots we don't use in our 25 cap for 2015, we will be able to add to our 2016 cap of 25. As long as at least that many players (signees in excess of 25) enroll at midterm. Current 2015 offers to my knowledge:

Very early, I know, but now that the 2014 signing day is now behind us, 2015 recruiting is here with an upcoming junior day on Saturday. If Chumley, Graham, and Jackson all do go through with the grayshirts and we don't sign anyone late then that will put us at 77 projected scholarship players for next season. With 17 seniors, plus the 8 open scholarship spots, we should be able to sign the class max of 25 players. Not to mention kids inevitably will transfer or quit, although some scholarships may be filled by walkons. Regardless, we should be able to sign 25. Here's a position-by-position breakdown of how many scholarship seniors we are projected to have and how many scholarship non seniors will be on the roster next year. Then how many we may sign in the 2015 class. QB - Seniors: 0 - non Seniors: 4 Projected 2015 signees: 1 With 4 non Senior qbs on the roster, we may be able to get away with signing 0. Chumley could be our qb signee since he was told he will get a shot there, although there is a notable chance that he may get moved to tight end or elsewhere at some point. For now I'm counting Chumley as our 2015 qb signee. If I remember correctly, Mac said he doesn't like more than 4 scholly qbs. If one of our guys transfers and qb is not in the cards for Chumley, then we may sign another qb. If not, there's a chance we don't and just stick with Chumley and look towards making qb a priority in 2016. RB - Seniors: 1 - non Seniors: 5 - Projected 2015 signees: 1 Another position where we could get away with not signing any. The skill players we signed in the 2014 class will allow us to be very picky with skill players in 2015. I would still be surprised if we didn't sign 1 back. Could just be a "best available player" type recruitment where there is a good back that we'd have a chance at getting, or an "athlete." Telling a kid you're only taking him at running back for the class is a nice sales pitch. WR - Seniors: 2 - non Seniors: 8 Projected 2015 signees: 2 Once again, we should be able to be very picky with our receiver recruiting in 2015 after taking 4 in 2014, and some pretty good ones at that. Again, maybe a best player available type signing at receiver. Or we could put all our eggs in a few baskets and hope we get those kids, knowing that we'll be okay even if we don't get them. Tight End - Seniors:1 - non Seniors:4 Projected 2015 signees:1 I think we sign a tight end this class and Caleb Chumley could end up there as well. We will only lose one senior tight end, but he is used more like a fullback in our offense and lines up more in the backfield than on the LOS (Tanner Smith). While we have 4 non senior tight ends, 3 will be juniors next year so bringing in a guy will be important. Then we won't have to replace all 3 at once with new guys. Might see us target a guy like Wylie Reinhardt/Andrew Power, since Mac likes to have those "6th lineman" type tight ends to be a road grader in the run game. OL - Seniors: 5 - non Seniors: 9 Projected signees: 5 Here's where the focus will likely be on offensive player recruiting. Losing 5 scholarship guys including 3 four-year starters. Here's our best bet at JUCO guys as well. Could be something like 2 JUCO guys and 3 high school guys. Could even be 3 JUCO/3 high school or 2 JUCO/4 high school guys. Getting 1 tackle and 1 interior lineman from a JUCO is very possible. At least to provide depth. These new guys plus our OL coach here who is developing the young guys already on the roster quite well should make the replacement of those o-linemen as smooth as you could ask. Projected offensive signees: 10 Current 2015 offensive offers to my knowledge:

I have a thread for that for tomorrow (maybe 2, ninja face). Stay tuned, but giving this day to the 2014 guys.

1. This is interesting to think about. Two walkons in particular who have a chance to end up on scholly are Chelf and Zach Paul. Because they have played two years here as a walkon they would not count in any class. Plenty of other walkons who joined the team for the 2013 season who have a chance though. But we all know Coach Mac doesn't just give them out. 2. Possible 3. Don't know if the coaches would intentionally leave a spot or two open to carry over to next year, although maybe if they really like the 2015 class it's possible. Good to be able to carry any extra scholarships over to next year.

You didn't watch the national championship game, did you?

Got it. Well that would put us at 23 with the 19 signees. Still two short of 25, but I'm sure Vito will clear up why there is only one spot left, tonight.

How Tee and the other recruits getting late interest from bigger schools decided to stay with UNT: Tee asked the other recruits "you strong?" And they said "I'm strong if you strong." So Tee said "we strong then."

Skip! Didn't factor him in. I never saw anything that said we put him on scholarship. Do you know when he was put on scholarship?

I trust Brett, but I just still don't get this scholarship situation. With the 3 grayshirting we should have 3 spots left. 19 signees and 3 walkons count in this class. Why only 1 scholarship left? I don't know why it wouldn't be 3, since that's how many short of 25 we are. Not to mention we have 63 scholarship players on campus right now, to my knowledge, and we signed 14 more today (5 already on campus) who will arrive in the fall. That would put us at 77 total projected scholarship players for fall. So we have 8 left there, and 3 left in our class cap of 25. Why only 1 left?

Brett Vito article http://share.d-news.co/YAoea0U

The listed offers on the major recruiting services out to our signees. Going to count Caleb Chumley even though he appears to be grayshirting, thus would count towards next year's signing class. Offers may not have all been committable when these guys committed to us, but they were offered by these P5 (formerly BCS) schools at some point. P5 offers -Colorado (Tee Goree) -Iowa State (Fonzale Davis) -Missouri (Caleb Chumley) -Oregon State (Caleb Chumley) -Kansas (Caleb Chumley) -Indiana (Jalen Adams) -Iowa (Andrew Jones) -Purdue (Brandon Garner) Not to mention OU came knocking late with Andrew Jones and Arkansas expressed late interest in Tee Goree. Maybe more schools not publicized, not just with them but with the other commits. A few other notable schools we beat out for multiple players -Toledo (Fonzale Davis, Willy Ivery) -Colorado State (Tee Goree, Willy Ivery, Fonzale Davis) -Nevada (Chris Miles, Fonzale Davis) -San Diego State (Chris Miles, Tee Goree) -Houston (Caleb Chumley, Chris Miles) -Memphis (Tee Goree, Caleb Chumley) -La Tech (Tee Goree, Caleb Chumley) Offer lists are right up there with film for me as far as what is most important when looking at recruits. I personally value offer lists above film because I trust D1 coaches scouting abilities over my own. Although we all know some guys inevitably get overlooked. I don't discredit star ratings either, just below those 2 for me. Great class according to all 3!

Hafoka Olie will not sign today.http://northtexas.scout.com/a.z?s=353&p=2&c=1372697&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fnorthtexas.scout.com%2f2%2f1372697.html

So he is enrolling in the fall, rather than grayshirting?

Here's an article on backcounting, from back when the SEC was the only conference enforcing the 25 scholarship/class cap. It became an NCAA-wide thing last year (2013 signing class) so I'd have to imagine backcounting is NCAA-wide as well. http://www.macon.com/2012/01/30/1885259/sec-clarifies-rule-on-back-counting.html

However many spots of the 25 you have remaining after all have signed from a class, you can exceed the 25 cap by that much in the following year. As long as you have at least that many players (the number in excess of 25) enroll at midterm. It's called backcounting.

That's what I'm wondering. We saw he signed, but nothing official from MGS.

We get to sign 27 next year, if that is the case.

If all 3 grayshirt then we will only have signed 22 for this class. We would then be able to sign up to 28 kids next class. So the 3 of them, plus 25 others.

#winthewest

Click my 247 link in the post you replied to.

About 90% sure he would sign today whether he grayshirts or not. I think grayshirts sign during their normal signing day, just get their enrollments pushed back. Edit: not as sure about that. MGS didn't report Shaq Jackson and Johnavahn Graham's NLIs. Maybe they are grayshirting and Chumley is not.

For those who really dislike the star system, Miles may be your guy. I'd say it's a shame he's not a 3-star (1 point shy on 247 at a 79), but it doesn't matter in the end. He's got big-time size, film, and offer list. Check it out. One of the best offer lists of our o-line signees in a while. 12+ offers from schools from across the country, from the Pacific coast (San Diego State) all the way to the Atlantic coast (Yale and Harvard). Glad he settled on a school in between.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Christopher-Miles-150444 http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Christopher-Miles-30226/RecruitInterests

Absolutely. Just like SSP said earlier, those Carthage boys are great additions. Goree and Rutherford. Great job by the staff locking him up and keeping him.