Meangreen Fight

😄 is that is actual footage of SMU fans trying to figure out how to escape from gomeangreen.com?

SMU is an ACC team now so it of zero consequence for us or our conference going forward. All bowl games are meaningless if they aren't in the playoff or your G5 team is trying to complete a perfect season. Too many player changes and coaching changes to compare to the regular season teams. 🤷🏽‍♂️

There lies the problem once you’ve broken the barrier where it becomes a net zero for the participants you’ve damaged the market as a whole. The greed paradigm killed the bowls. If that had went the fair competition way instead of a few bowls maximizing their income would have had playoff of 4 teams AFTER all the bowl games were played. ONLY Bowl winners would have be eligible for the playoff. So in a year like this nobody gets screwed except maybe Liberty. Rose Bowl - Michigan vs Washington classic matchup winner in Cotton Bowl - Texas vs Georgia Sugar - FSU vs Georgia Orange - OSU vs Alabama Fiesta Bowl - Oregon vs Missouri Peach - Ole Miss vs Liberty (great matchup in a virtually perfect neutral setting) This is just a hypothetical you could re-arrange the matchups. One intriguing option would be giving the 1 ranked team a “virtual by” by matching them up against the top ranked G5. An undefeated or even one loss G5 team gets in the playoff if they knock off the top ranked team in an elimination game.

That isn’t remotely correct. So disappointing that people even think this way. What is killing College Football is that the EVERYONE but the players have been able to do whatever was best for them without regard for the whole! Players were skipping bowl games long before NIL. And bowl were just unique virtually meaningless post season exhibitions when they were first created. I find it ironic that now all the old SWC schools except Rice are all back in conferences with “respect”. Nothing substantially changed at any of these schools relatively to each other. NIL didn’t start the salary and facilities arms races. And it sure as hell did not tell all the blue blood brands to financially screw over their rivals, conferences and bowl tie in agreements.

Looking at some of these stale uninteresting bowl games this year I want gauge what everyone thinks should or will happen with bowl games going forward. As for my thoughts I think a lot of bowls should go away. I don’t many of them being revenue generators for the schools involved. When the bowls are so low revenue and unattractive that the bands don’t want to or can’t come I don’t see the point. Then you have way too many 6-6 and 7-5 teams in bowls. Outside of the playoff I think 12-14 bowls are enough. And things like bowls in New York & Boston or any venue north of Mason Dixon Line without a roof just don't make sense to me.

@NorthTexasWeLove your comment didn’t deserve downvotes. But it is factually incorrect. They are already campaigning for improvements to the facilities with gameday seating. https://lightthetower.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/updated2023_AC-Expansion_Final-Interactive.pdf Now if you are referring to basketball facilities I can understand the frustration.

I think that is whistling by the graveyard. Not because we won't end up with a talented starting QB, we will. The problem is we need an elite QB to put points on the board to offset an AVERAGE defense that would be a massive improvement on the worst FBS defense in 2023. A good QB has the offense averaging +28 points a game. If a 2024 Caponi defense averages giving up less than 30 to FBS competition I would somewhat pleased and shocked. Now if you aren't worried about QB because you believe it doesn't matter unless we have decent defense I am right there with you.

I definitely minimally he was a 1b starter splitting almost equal touches with another running back at the P5 level. The talent gap between really good regularly ranked P5 teams and mediocre ones that aren’t is bigger than what the media acknowledges. The only places he wouldn’t likely start are places that redshirt healthy 4 stars that still live up to their rating when they get the opportunity.

I don’t think the staff would ever admit to it but I suspect they viewed Rodgers as a mercenary also. So you start that guy not quite as good in the today so he is better in your second season as head coach. Morris in the first year of a solid contract allows him to make those kind of decisions. If you are in year 3 of your tenure you might roll with the “mercenary” from the beginning because you need to win a validate you being hired.

Maybe, but I doubt the team left out would have any wins of merit on their resume. I could see an undefeated MAC or CUSA if there were multiple undefeated G5 champions. And I believe Tulane will always in one of the best conference below P3/P4 at worst.

I like the hubris because at least theoretically it is now possible. With a 12 team playoff being undefeated will guarantee your team a shot. And they’ve been undefeated late into the season before.

Actually I saw those games. Fouts was an atrocious stadium. Investment in that era was lacking and Tulsa was a conference championship team. I was actually there to see Portland State beat us like it was their homecoming and not ours. Big difference in those instances was that previous to then they had won conference and/or a bowl game. This has the potential to go the Todd Dodge direction and all the departures on offense and lack of defense sets up well to go that way.

Losing record check Early departures of all the key players of 2023 check No massive change for the defensive coaching staff with the worse FBS defense check The only things we don’t have are players flunking out and/or getting in to embarrassing legal trouble All our best contributing players getting poached from a 5-7 Mean Green team that didn’t make a bowl isn’t bottom of the barrel but it is a new water mark near the bottom. It definitely could get worse but not by a huge margin.

But nothing matters until he gets staff that can build a defense that doesn’t lose games for them virtually all by themselves. The offense could take a half step back and the defense take two steps forward and the team still might be 5-7. I believe that a slight regression in offense after losing the most talented QB we’ve seen would doing a good job as an offensive coach. But not only that we are losing a really good OL, WR, and RB. So a slight regression might be considered a great offensive coaching job. I hope Morris proves me wrong but it just doesn’t look promising right now.

Yes this part is really scary to me. As an offensive player hoping to put up numbers that helps my team win it is going to be a hard sell to get me to come to a team with returning DC that led the worst defense FBS. To me retaining Caponi says the program is not serious about winning.🤷🏽‍♂️ At this point I am going in expecting the record even be worse next year with a mid-season demotion/dismissing of Caponi. I hope us loyal few continue to support tge program in spite of that. I have one wish for next season; beat UTSA.

Problem is that since our last conference championship patience has been preached here for most of the last 20 years. Meanwhile programs have started or restarted from scratch and kicked our ass. He should be going into his 3rd season here not his second because leadership was patient. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Penn State definitely probably not a good fit. They aren’t known for slinging the ball around and then you might have bad luck with weather. At A&M competition for playing time should be tough with the recruiting classes they’ve brought in. He might like the fit more but I would still be a little surprised that out of the teams that offered if Kentucky wasn’t the least the second highest. Because I doubt he would be 1st on depth chart at Ole Miss, A&M or Penn State.

Both of these are valid points. But getting drafted regardless of your production is going to more likely from Cal than UNT. Now if he were going to P5 cannon fodder team like Northwestern, Purdue, or Vandy I would be ticked off and question his decision. Producing quality stats as starter for a mediocre P5 team is always going to more valuable to scouts than producing gaudy stats at a mediocre G5 program. He could very well average 350 yards a game 70% completions, and 10-1 TD/INT ratio starting for UNT next barely qualify for a bowl game. I doubt that gets him first 3 round consideration. But if does that for a mediocre bowl qualifying Cal team he probably does. 1. Academics on par with or better than UNT 2. More NIL money for same on field production 3. Better your chance of getting drafted Also when I mentioned opportunity I meant opportunity to stay on a NFL roster a couple years to learn the system. The less a NFL had to invest to get you the less likely they are to give you more time to learn.

Can’t produce if you never get the opportunity. Still way more likely putting up numbers at Cal gets you drafted than North Texas. Now if you believe you can put up Maxwell and/or Heisman consideration numbers with the returning offensive cast then a guy like Rogers has a hard decision. But a lot of key players in this offense are leaving. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Davis Webb 2017 3rd round Kyle Boller 2003 1st round That is 4 in the last 20 years compared to not having any players at any position drafted in the first 3 rounds since 1979.

I keep telling the naive casual college football fan that it won’t be a mini-NFL. Because the larger programs will not be sharing the majority of their income with the rest of the league with no draft. Think about it this way (setting aside your fandom for the Dallas Cowboys) if Jerry could buy any players from college more than half of the NFL would be perpetually uncompetitive. I don’t think there are more than 40 schools that can afford the new model. Then out of that 40 maybe 8 can sustain success long term.

Second half when game was out of hand. If this was about academics graduate degree Cal > UNT if you are just glancing at a resume. But we know this isn’t about academics. But when you figure in the cost of attendance at UNT vs CAL the gap in NIL money you take home after paying bills should be considerably smaller. Cal will give him a little bit more exposure for the NFL and they have produced multiple QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

I think fans should do whatever is financially viable for them. END OF STORY. What we have now is so far from amateur operation the FBS was when UNT opted to go to FCS/I-AA it isn’t the same sport. My purchasing of a tickets, subscribing to a media source that airs UNT sports, donating to the scholarship fund, buying merchandise are all in part meant to support the student athletes. The NIL thing is more about the greed and irresponsibility of everyone involved in revenue generating college athletic events except the athletes. The massive hypocrisy has generated a titanic karmic wave that is destroying everything. That is clearly the next big question that is going to be addressed. Cooler heads have never prevailed in the progression of the corporatization of college sports. If the top programs weren’t so greedy they could have created a league with about 80-120 teams. With rules on budgets, staff salaries and robust revenue sharing. But now that Pandora’s box is open it is up to the top 20-30 revenue programs save a FBS that isn’t just an NFL minor league. Their track isn’t great so if we have compelling regular season college football come 2030 I will be very surprised.

Like I said the fans on this board by and large have been stepping up. 🙄. They’ve been inept with the resources they have received when it comes to results on the field. So among fans who already been stepping up this shouldn’t be a point mentioned over and over again. And when they hold on staff clearly over their head and except us to step up is stupid AF. Well over the majority of donating fans here strangely 🙄want the architect of the worse defense in FBS gone. Yet we lobbying each other to give more🙄 or worse yet criticizing for not giving more? I never suggested the on UNT payroll leadership “give up/half heartedly try” but if they want to make it look like they to any casual observer who isn’t already contributing the max their budget allows, retaining Caponi is a good start. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I don’t think that applies over 95% of the people who care enough to be on gomeangreen.com in the first place. This program has had more than enough support to be far better that it has been most of the past 15 years. Ironically list of people on this board like to crap on everything Dickey achieved we he was the head coach who never got the benefit of competitive financial investments being made into the program. We have seen so many other G5 programs do far more with comparable resources or less since the last season at Fouts. Field. I could list all of them but we only have to look in own conference to see the most frustrating example of a program embarrassing us with its competence; UTSA. So beating drum for more money is tried. A lot of fans can’t even afford the tickets they want so it’s a hard sell to tell them to throw that extra cash that would get them a better seat down what appears to be a black hole (Caponi’s contract being the latest event horizon). My closet is full of more North Texas gear than unaffiliated gear or gear representing ANYTHING else. I donate more and go to more games than anyone I know that doesn’t visit this board regularly. Think about how you are a prospective transfer or incoming freshman recruit. You have 4 offers all at the G5 level to play defense. All other factors being relatively equal how much more NIL money would it take for you to take a risk on the statistically, worst defensive coordinator in college football?