Meangreen Fight

Everything you cited is an indictment of the UNT program not just Coach Morris. This program is &$?!* garbage and has been for 25 freaking years but now you’re on your high horse defending Seth as some kind of savior. 🙄 He wasn't close to winning a conference with UTSA as it top team. Now we have to contend with Memphis, Tulane and several other programs that historically better funded than the best of the CUSA programs we left behind. We beat FIU with Seth here and no QB. No passing game and a defense hopefully better than 100th in FBS. Yes that really sounds like a winner in AAC.

Okay I got CUSA was a bad conference we left and you are citing improvement against that conference as significant. That is ridiculous to me still. So 4 years in he start building slowly? We weren't close to doing ANYTHING in AAC. Great he beats an old FIU in out if conference schedule that an his extension gets you an empty DATCU. His teams WEREN'T good after his first good QB left. So yeah you are irrational: Lifetime contracts for anyone who comes to UNT and not horrible. 🙄

I am 100% with you if the DC isn’t fired sometime this week or immediately following the next game. The only way being dead last in FBS defense is excusable is if you’ve lost your top 3 defensive starters to season ending injuries, you are playing out of conference "body-bag" games against top 10 ranked teams. And you are statistically the best offensive conference from top to bottom.

Thinking Seth’s team runs game is so dominant they beat anyone on this year’s schedule other than FIU is pure delusion. You have to have a good defense (or at least ranked above 80 in FBS) to make that work. We weren’t close to UTSA the second game last year. They beat nobody the caliber of Tulane, Memphis, California, they aren’t getting close with a QB throwing around 50% completions who isn’t scary run threat. Cannot believe we have people pining for mediocre Seth 🤦🏽‍♂️ irrational and sad.

Below 0.500 against FBS that entire time. What are you talking about? The only improvement was 2020 to 2021. Seven years in and we are a pitch fork crowd? No heir apparent QB on the roster, best defensive players leaving mediocre defenses? Are you on this man’s payroll? How about you extend some of the patience you had for Seth in years 5-7 to Eric’s FIRST SEASON. 🤦🏽‍♂️

Because teams aren’t frozen in time. Rosters change and coaches learn. Their coach was a rookie last year and would probably have new strategies for the things Seth & his staff liked to do. To expect the same results with lessor players at key positions on offense and defense isn’t logical. FIU already has the same number of wins they had last year. Seth teams were not on an upward trend.

So that does not square with your confidence that Seth led 2023 team would be significantly better. The offense wouldn’t be nearly as good and the defense is probably ranked near 100 or worse.

I understand having some confidence that he gets us past FIU. With Morris mismanaging that game they still almost came back. But betting your house would be incredibly stupid. You forget Rogers didn’t start that game and they still almost came back to beat FIU. Furthermore the switch to Rogers is something I strongly doubt he does especially in the middle of the game.

Freaking ridiculous to assume that the record wouldn’t be exactly the same. Never got a QB to play as well as Rogers after his first one graduated. Bean was talented enough to start here and he couldn’t coach him up. Phil Bennett was brought into fix the defense but only put duck tape on it. And I am not sure Phil sticks around to finish the defense rebuild with Seth as a lame duck coach. You want to extend Seth again HOPING he sneaks the team into another irrelevant bowl at 6-6? No thank you. Seth is not getting more out of this roster moreover he probably doesn’t switch to Rogers. This is a 1000% stupid hypothetical assertion that Seth would be any better.

Actual people in seat definitely not. Announced attendance around 15k.

You have to protect the ball. Sorry I defend him a lot but protecting the ball is a non-negotiable responsibility. He wasn’t blindsided on that fumble.

We had an opportunity but were so enamored with flirting with being relevant we over extended Seth without any bowls wins or conference titles, or even hosting a title game with the conference’s best record. 🤷🏽‍♂️

You really think Seth guides this team to a bowl? Stop letting frustration drive you to say irrational, irrelevant things.

No it’s because Denton citizens don’t want to alienate TWU by supporting Mean Green Football too much. 🤷🏽‍♂️. Please don’t scold me I am only repeating what was told to me in a thread about game attendance. 😂

It is the offense said “hey moral victory only down by 3 let’s work out the technical issues in our offense second half”. Glad I didn’t catch a cheap ticket to this game. Leaving at 11:00 pm on Dart with a quarter left no bueno.

Boston College, Virgina, and Stanford are going to bring a ton of fans? 🤷🏽‍♂️😜😂

We finally get a stop or two and the offense now crapping the bed. 🤦🏽‍♂️

Maybe against a running slow to score team like Navy I take the 3. For anyone else I playing aggressive to hopefully be up by a 10 or more with less 3:30 left in the game. This defense can't protect a lead with 12 players on defense.

Big props to Maclin on that block- TD

Beautiful ball on that incompletion in the Endzone.

Even captain obvious would find that too ridiculous to ponder for more 0.1 seconds.

I think that is plain nonsense. I am Denton native this just isn't a thing all. Fort Worth nor any other community in the world is just waiting for the opportunity to embrace an underachieving sports franchise in a stadium that is falling down like Fouts was. The most valuable sports franchise in the world is 40 miles south. In the late 80s they were losing money. They were losing money because vasilated between being mediocre and just plain bad. And it looked like they were continue to be that way under the leadership at the time. Games were blacked out on local TV. It is beyond ridiculous to look at any other factors effecting attendance when the team has not won a meger G5 conference title in 20 years. We have 4 winning season during that 20 year period also. And most of those losing season were worse than 5-7.

Debatable with all the realignment. A lot of teams have come with us. Only the absolute worst at the time stayed in the Sun Belt when we left and the same thing happened when we upgraded to AAC. And we are 1-1 this year against CUSA right and could have easily lost both games. Beyond that I would be willing to bet that we aren’t favored on a neutral field against Liberty, Jax State, and NM State the top 3 of CUSA this season. Similarly if we are favored against any of the top 4 in the Sun Belt it is by 3 points or less. These conference upgrades are more about media coverage money than competition. Because no way should Big 10 be the highest paid conference if were based on the quality of the football teams beyond the top 3.

And I don’t fault you at all for feeling that way but it is just evidence to me have inept this program has been run for over 25 years. I don’t even count the period of time after coach Fry till the 90s because I don’t think they were really trying. I believe they only felt obligated to have a football program not to be lumped in with UT Arlington, UT Dallas, and other public universities in the area that don’t have FBS football. If those two schools didn’t exist as competition for local students I am not sure the program survives the 80s.

TCU long before they got into a P5 conference, regularly had way more than 30k per game. They won consistently it is just that simple. When was the last time App State was 3-6? In their short history at the FBS level they average over 8 wins a season Give me a break it isn’t that complicated. I don’t care where you are a team with no National Championships FBS or FCS ever, no conference championships or bowl wins in over a decade isn’t going to draw well.