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It is somewhat ironic that the first North Texas player to ever score a touchdown in beautiful Apogee Stadium when it opened in 2011 holds the keys to Dan McCarney's most critical season in his 4-year tenure as head coach at UNT.

Andrew McNulty has taken his lumps as a quarterback in the UNT program over the years but very few would question that his play this season may well determine if the staff can turn around a regrettable 4-8 campaign in 2014.

Rewind back to 2011.  Dan McCarney had been hired to replace Todd Dodge who in many eyes had run the program into the very bottom of the NCAA.  McCarney had his first signing class, and as most new coaching staffs he hustled to put together the best class he could in limited time.

I remember seeing McNulty's name on signing day and scratching my head and wondering who is this guy?  Here was a guy who was from Iowa City Mac's hometown.  Unheralded as a prospect, he did have an outstanding senior season and as a junior at Iowa City he played behind a 4-star prospect named AJ Derby who now plays for the Patriots in the NFL.  Not a highly rated prospect whose best shot was the fact that Iowa was sniffing around but never provided a formal offer. 

Later we learned that McNulty was the son of Jim McNulty who was a teammate of Dan McCarney at Iowa in the early 70's.  Bloodlines certainly didn't hurt his interesting move to be a scholarship quarterback in Denton, Texas.  Timing played a role as well.  Mac knew he had to change the mindset of a program that had fallen into the depths of despair.  McNulty could be a key piece to the puzzle.

2011 was an odd year in which Derek Thompson was slated as the starter but McNulty's mobility allowed him to get into some games and actually start a game against a salty Tulsa team where he was running for his life.  It was hard to give him a decent grade with only 352 yards and one touchdown.  The kid was a true freshman and physically not prepared for physical nature of the game at this level.

2012 was a medical redshirt year for McNulty who I believe suffered a wrist injury.

2013 as a sophomore he saw limited action in eight games behind Derek Thompson.

2014 was really the first time we got to see what McNulty could do.  He did not beat out transfer Josh Greer but he stuck it out when Greer faltered and Dajon Williams after that.  So we really got about half a season to evaluate what McNulty was capable of.

His first real start was in a home game against Southern Miss in Denton where he went 20 of 35 for 287 yards.  UNT would end up losing this game by a score of 30-21 but the key point was McNulty did not turn the ball over and he was only sacked once.  The game prior, Dajon Williams had two interceptions (one for a pick 6) and five sacks in a 56-21 loss that may have been the low point of an already disappointing season.

If you measure results as wins and losses, McNulty started 6 games in 2014 and went 2-4 and quite frankly the UNT defense had become a shadow of it's former self.  It was not turnovers that hurt McNulty, it was that the UNT run oriented offense could not outscore most of the opponents they faced in the second half of the season.

A lot of UNT fans blame McNulty for all the ails the program and it's fall from a bowl win and respect in 2013 to a 4-8 record in 2014.  But to do that is frankly unfair.  No, Andrew McNulty does not have the biggest arm, or the greatest speed.  He won't dazzle you as players like former Eagle Dajon Williams could with his raw god given abilities.  He's not a vocal leader, he is somewhat shy and quiet preferring to lead by example.

He does offer you a blue collar, intelligent and hard working kid who has given his all in his 5-years here.  Look at the off season workout reports and you will see McNulty leading the pack.  Look at the grade reports and he makes high marks.  He has never been in trouble.  By all accounts he is the player every coach wants to have in their program.  If you look at him physically speaking, he has transformed from a 6-1, lean 175 pounder into a very strong 210 and is much more able to withstand the perils of C-USA defensive linemen.  There has not been another UNT player who has bought into the off season strength and conditioning program more than McNulty.

Most that follow UNT will concede that McNulty will most likely be taking the first snap as UNT faces cross town rival SMU to open the 2015 season.  I submit to you that he is deserving of this.  Whether or not he will take future snaps and lead the team throughout the season remains to be seen.  He will have a lot of players looking to relegate him to the bench.  Juco transfer DaMarcus Smith come into the mix this Fall with a lot of credentials and talent.  Josh Greer has seen a revival of his career and hopes to make his way back into the lead position.  Redshirt Freshman Conner Means will look to make his move as well and he clearly has some talent.

My hope is that UNT fans will give McNulty the benefit of the doubt.  He has been a good soldier in this program and deserves his chance to show what he can do.  Results will certainly be the final determination but in my opinion there is not another quarterback on this roster that has worked harder and is more deserving of leading the team against SMU.

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This tired discussion drives me bananas. Following AJ Derby does not make him AJ Derby! Go to his rivals page, I beg you, and click on the three similar quarterbacks on the right side of the page and see where they ended up playing college ball(best I've seen is the 3rd stringer at Troy, a rs-sr playing behind a juco sr and a rs-soph.). He is not a FBS quarterback. If he is, please tell me what school other than ours had any serious interest in his services as a qb. The suggestion of Iowa is laughable, that just isn't true. He has only "paid his dues" and "deserves his shot" because he was not moved to wr or db like he should've been.

Below are some high school quarterbacks that have passed through Mean Green Land.

High School:

1. As a senior, he threw for 3,150 yards along with 30 touchdowns compared to nine interceptions.

2. Was a first-team All-District quarterback in 2011 passing for 2,691 yards and 24 touchdowns as a senior

3. Threw for 2,418 yards and 29 touchdowns and added six scores on the ground as a senior

4. Completed 155-of-224 passes for 1,911 yards, 18 TD's as a senior, also rushed for 833 yards on 109 carries and nine TD's

5. Offensive co-MVP with a current Dallas Cowboy wr his Sr. year 1331 rushing 1688 passing 25 total tds

6.Threw for 1,618 yards and 15 touchdown passes while rushing for 508 yards and five touchdowns as a senior. 

7. Threw for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns as a senior and added 1,137 yards and 14 touchdowns on the ground

8. Threw for 1,325 yards and 10 touchdowns while rushing for 592 yards and 10 touchdowns as a senior

9. As a junior, in the final three games of the season he threw for 832 yards and seven touchdowns while rushing for 305 yards and five touchdowns.
 

Without cheating try and match these names with their own quarterbacking stats.

Chumley, McNulty, Greer, Means, D.Smith, Derek Teegarden, Cooper Jones, Chase Baine, Dajon Williams

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1.  McCarney tried every option he could reasonably send out on the field before finally settling on McNulty in 2014.  And no, Dajon did not prove himself to be a vastly better option.  In his two starts against FBS opponents, DW had QB ratings of 30.4 and 5.6.  McNulty wasn't much better, but that hardly suggests nepotism or gross misjudgment.  We might not want to admit it, but at the very least a reasonable argument could be made that McNulty was in fact the best option of the three last year (I'm assuming burning Connor Means's redshirt was never an option).  There's a fair point to be made about our coaches' failures to recruit and develop top notch QB talent, but that's a separate issue and shouldn't be converted into needless McNulty bashing.

2.  We have no idea if D. Smith is a better QB.  I hope he's so obscenely bad ass that Tennessee forfeits our game and hands us a $10 million bill with D-Smith's picture printed on it.  But--there's always that chance that McNulty could just beat him out fair and square.    

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This tired discussion drives me bananas. Following AJ Derby does not make him AJ Derby! Go to his rivals page, I beg you, and click on the three similar quarterbacks on the right side of the page and see where they ended up playing college ball(best I've seen is the 3rd stringer at Troy, a rs-sr playing behind a juco sr and a rs-soph.). He is not a FBS quarterback. If he is, please tell me what school other than ours had any serious interest in his services as a qb. The suggestion of Iowa is laughable, that just isn't true. He has only "paid his dues" and "deserves his shot" because he was not moved to wr or db like he should've been.

Below are some high school quarterbacks that have passed through Mean Green Land.

High School:

1. As a senior, he threw for 3,150 yards along with 30 touchdowns compared to nine interceptions.

2. Was a first-team All-District quarterback in 2011 passing for 2,691 yards and 24 touchdowns as a senior

3. Threw for 2,418 yards and 29 touchdowns and added six scores on the ground as a senior

4. Completed 155-of-224 passes for 1,911 yards, 18 TD's as a senior, also rushed for 833 yards on 109 carries and nine TD's

5. Offensive co-MVP with a current Dallas Cowboy wr his Sr. year 1331 rushing 1688 passing 25 total tds

6.Threw for 1,618 yards and 15 touchdown passes while rushing for 508 yards and five touchdowns as a senior. 

7. Threw for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns as a senior and added 1,137 yards and 14 touchdowns on the ground

8. Threw for 1,325 yards and 10 touchdowns while rushing for 592 yards and 10 touchdowns as a senior

9. As a junior, in the final three games of the season he threw for 832 yards and seven touchdowns while rushing for 305 yards and five touchdowns.
 

Without cheating try and match these names with their own quarterbacking stats.

Chumley, McNulty, Greer, Means, D.Smith, Derek Teegarden, Cooper Jones, Chase Baine, Dajon Williams

Mcnulty 6 or 8. 

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And Canales and his tests will be exiting stage left at seasons end. 

Just to be clear, EVERY offensive coordinator takes steps to make sure their QB knows what to do in any given situation. The next OC will do this as well.

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This tired discussion drives me bananas. Following AJ Derby does not make him AJ Derby! Go to his rivals page, I beg you, and click on the three similar quarterbacks on the right side of the page and see where they ended up playing college ball(best I've seen is the 3rd stringer at Troy, a rs-sr playing behind a juco sr and a rs-soph.). He is not a FBS quarterback. If he is, please tell me what school other than ours had any serious interest in his services as a qb. The suggestion of Iowa is laughable, that just isn't true. He has only "paid his dues" and "deserves his shot" because he was not moved to wr or db like he should've been.

Below are some high school quarterbacks that have passed through Mean Green Land.

High School:

1. As a senior, he threw for 3,150 yards along with 30 touchdowns compared to nine interceptions.

2. Was a first-team All-District quarterback in 2011 passing for 2,691 yards and 24 touchdowns as a senior

3. Threw for 2,418 yards and 29 touchdowns and added six scores on the ground as a senior

4. Completed 155-of-224 passes for 1,911 yards, 18 TD's as a senior, also rushed for 833 yards on 109 carries and nine TD's

5. Offensive co-MVP with a current Dallas Cowboy wr his Sr. year 1331 rushing 1688 passing 25 total tds

6.Threw for 1,618 yards and 15 touchdown passes while rushing for 508 yards and five touchdowns as a senior. 

7. Threw for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns as a senior and added 1,137 yards and 14 touchdowns on the ground

8. Threw for 1,325 yards and 10 touchdowns while rushing for 592 yards and 10 touchdowns as a senior

9. As a junior, in the final three games of the season he threw for 832 yards and seven touchdowns while rushing for 305 yards and five touchdowns.
 

Without cheating try and match these names with their own quarterbacking stats.

Chumley, McNulty, Greer, Means, D.Smith, Derek Teegarden, Cooper Jones, Chase Baine, Dajon Williams

I'll try my hand at this...

1 = D. Smith

2 = Greer

3 = McNulty

4 = Williams

5 = Baine

6 = Chumlee

7 = Teegarden

8 = Means

9 = Jones.

 

I know some of them are right.. but I'm pretty sure most are wrong. just trying to kill time until the season.

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Comparing DT to McNulty is nonsensical of the highest order...

Well your head coach just did at C-USA media day.  Not physically speaking, but in terms of intangibles etc.. I'll have to go dig up the quote but I am pretty sure he made the comparison.

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Comparing DT to McNulty is nonsensical of the highest order...

We are going to have McNulty or any upcoming QB compared to DT, until we have another successful season in my opinion. The 2014 HOD MVP QB is now the marker for a current or future North Texas QB. If I was interviewing McCarney, I would throw QB comparisons of DT to get Mac to take a hint in regards to our QB plan. McNulty was Thompson's backup, so he is basically the little brother that is expected to take over for the big brother after he graduates. Clearly he ain't bringing it. But hey.. They say history repeats itself... DT came off of a 4-8 season and finished his NT career season 9-4. 2014 was a 4-8 season.... so.....

 

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Well your head coach just did at C-USA media day.  Not physically speaking, but in terms of intangibles etc.. I'll have to go dig up the quote but I am pretty sure he made the comparison.

Like 24 said, he was asked the question and gave coach speak for an answer. 

 

And you have to remember that Mac has to be politically correct on his answers to give fans hope. If he makes a comparison, he doesn't necessarily mean it. 

 

For or an example, look no further than the "we are going to open up the offense this year" claim that has been made the last 2 off seasons. 

 

 

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90 this year open up means, foot on the gas pedal and go go go go go go go go baby!! I am ready. I think they will be faster pace, to try and wear the defense down.  It is smart, how many games have you seen where an Offense goes up against a Bama type SEC defense and they go so dang fast and run so many plays by the 3rd quarter the defense doesn't even know what county or state they're in.  I think this, Mcnulty is the starter vs SMU while Smith becomes the starter vs Rice and for the rest of the season. 

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90 this year open up means, foot on the gas pedal and go go go go go go go go baby!! I am ready. I think they will be faster pace, to try and wear the defense down.  It is smart, how many games have you seen where an Offense goes up against a Bama type SEC defense and they go so dang fast and run so many plays by the 3rd quarter the defense doesn't even know what county or state they're in.  I think this, Mcnulty is the starter vs SMU while Smith becomes the starter vs Rice and for the rest of the season. 

sigh...  

 

This is wont happen. Particularly if MMac is QB. We were promised the same last year and got 44 runs and 20 pass plays in one particular home game. 

 

Mac is what is he is, and he is far too old to change his spots.

 

And if McNulty starts against SMU, he doesn't lose that job until AFTER the Iowa homecoming game. Mark that. 

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Example. At The Colony, known for the ground and pound smash you in the mouth run it down your throat offense.  They even go uptempo sometimes, hurry up to the line, run a second play just to try and catch the defense on its heels or relaxing, all it takes it one player not locked in and it could be 6. 

sigh...  

 

This is wont happen. Particularly if MMac is QB. We were promised the same last year and got 44 runs and 20 pass plays in one particular home game. 

 

Mac is what is he is, and he is far too old to change his spots.

 

And if McNulty starts against SMU, he doesn't lose that job until AFTER the Iowa homecoming game. Mark that. 

whats our record next year?? how many drinks you buying me after the GMG.com game if you're off??

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I'll try my hand at this...

1 = D. Smith

2 = Greer

3 = McNulty

4 = Williams

5 = Baine

6 = Chumlee

7 = Teegarden

8 = Means

9 = Jones.

 

I know some of them are right.. but I'm pretty sure most are wrong. just trying to kill time until the season.

A valiant effort. I know you got the first one correct and the last one incorrect. I will let you know how you scored in the middle tomorrow morning.

Mcnulty 6 or 8. 

You are very close but those are both incorrect.

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Yep.  DT was a mediocre quarterback with a stellar defense and special teams.  McNulty is a mediocre quarterback with an average defense and special teams.

Also throw in McNulty is facing what looks to be a tougher schedule 

sigh...  

 

This is wont happen. Particularly if MMac is QB. We were promised the same last year and got 44 runs and 20 pass plays in one particular home game. 

 

Mac is what is he is, and he is far too old to change his spots.

 

And if McNulty starts against SMU, he doesn't lose that job until AFTER the Iowa homecoming game. Mark that. 

We will see more up tempo and more spread looks. The question is will it be balanced in non garbage time. Plus will they be able to balance touches and not just all Carlos Harris. Harris accounted for over 40% of all the passing targets. 

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This tired discussion drives me bananas. Following AJ Derby does not make him AJ Derby! Go to his rivals page, I beg you, and click on the three similar quarterbacks on the right side of the page and see where they ended up playing college ball(best I've seen is the 3rd stringer at Troy, a rs-sr playing behind a juco sr and a rs-soph.). He is not a FBS quarterback. If he is, please tell me what school other than ours had any serious interest in his services as a qb. The suggestion of Iowa is laughable, that just isn't true. He has only "paid his dues" and "deserves his shot" because he was not moved to wr or db like he should've been.

Below are some high school quarterbacks that have passed through Mean Green Land.

High School:

1. As a senior, he threw for 3,150 yards along with 30 touchdowns compared to nine interceptions.

2. Was a first-team All-District quarterback in 2011 passing for 2,691 yards and 24 touchdowns as a senior

3. Threw for 2,418 yards and 29 touchdowns and added six scores on the ground as a senior

4. Completed 155-of-224 passes for 1,911 yards, 18 TD's as a senior, also rushed for 833 yards on 109 carries and nine TD's

5. Offensive co-MVP with a current Dallas Cowboy wr his Sr. year 1331 rushing 1688 passing 25 total tds

6.Threw for 1,618 yards and 15 touchdown passes while rushing for 508 yards and five touchdowns as a senior. 

7. Threw for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns as a senior and added 1,137 yards and 14 touchdowns on the ground

8. Threw for 1,325 yards and 10 touchdowns while rushing for 592 yards and 10 touchdowns as a senior

9. As a junior, in the final three games of the season he threw for 832 yards and seven touchdowns while rushing for 305 yards and five touchdowns.
 

Without cheating try and match these names with their own quarterbacking stats.

Chumley, McNulty, Greer, Means, D.Smith, Derek Teegarden, Cooper Jones, Chase Baine, Dajon Williams

I wasn't following UNT recruiting as closely for a lot of these guys but I'm almost certain 8 is Means and 9 is Chumley. Also pretty confident 2 is Greer.

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Yep.  DT was a mediocre quarterback with a stellar defense and special teams.  McNulty is a mediocre quarterback with an average defense and special teams.

McNulty and DT are equals? Geez...I guess there is hope after all, especially since our special teams should be well above mediocre IMO. Also, I don't think most expected our defense to be as good as it was two years ago. We shall have to wait and see once again on that one.

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I wasn't following UNT recruiting as closely for a lot of these guys but I'm almost certain 8 is Means and 9 is Chumley. Also pretty confident 2 is Greer.

100% correct.

I'll try my hand at this...

1 = D. Smith

2 = Greer

3 = McNulty

4 = Williams

5 = Baine

6 = Chumlee

7 = Teegarden

8 = Means

9 = Jones.

 

I know some of them are right.. but I'm pretty sure most are wrong. just trying to kill time until the season.

4 wins, 5 losses, you have a better record than any qb that played for us last year. Well done sir.

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90 this year open up means, foot on the gas pedal and go go go go go go go go baby!! I am ready. I think they will be faster pace, to try and wear the defense down.  It is smart, how many games have you seen where an Offense goes up against a Bama type SEC defense and they go so dang fast and run so many plays by the 3rd quarter the defense doesn't even know what county or state they're in.

here is the problem I see with this.  If you get first downs it's a great strategy.  Then again if you fail to get atleast 1 first down your defense had max 2 minutes to rest and get coached up and more chances to get exposed throughout the game.

with an average defense this is a bad strategy.

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Unheralded as a prospect, he did have an outstanding senior season and as a junior at Iowa City he played behind a 4-star prospect named AJ Derby who now plays for the Patriots in the NFL. 

as a tight end.... He never played qb for Iowa, had to transfer after being moved to defense. He then played a year at qb for the Kansas college that brought us Woody Wilson. Then walked-on his RS-Jr season as a backup qb for Arkansas, started 1 game due to injured starter. Moved to tight end the following year.

Derby's HS stats--1,820 yards and 23 touchdowns in leading team to state title as a senior . . . also rushed 142 times for 752 yards . He was touted because of his prototypical size, not because of he was Walter Camp's gift to quarterbacking.

McNulty-Threw for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns as a senior and added 1,137 yards and 14 touchdowns on the ground

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