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  1. 2015 - HS - Gage Ellis SG 6'4

    in UNT Basketball Recruiting

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    Valid points. But you and Andrew both talk about how we don't normally win these big recruiting battles and that the exception was the 2011 class with Forrest, Jordan, and Chris. That's the point. That's what state the program was left in when Benford took over. That's the state the program was in when Benford was able to land Wesley and Hardwick before ever coaching a game here. Not to mention he underperformed with that talent, and he's bringing in players who were not as highly recruited and we're supposed to expect an improvement. That's where the reason for alarm is coming from.

    As for Mccarney, he did use a lot of Dodge recruits but most of Dodge's recruits were not super highly recruited. Certainly not more highly recruited than some of the kids we've been pulling lately. Did Mac and co just do an amazing job developing those players, or was it great scouting by Dodge bringing in those underrated guys? Could be a combination of both. Could be more one than the other. We haven't found out yet. We also don't know if we are capable of greater things now that we are bringing in higher rated recruits than Mac was left with, and he's actually keeping them on campus and developing them.

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  2. 2015 - HS - Gage Ellis SG 6'4

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    Correct, but weren't some of the 5 that signed in the Spring replacements for those that signed in the fall that did not make it to campus? Which means we were scrambling after the fall class failed to qualified/showed they weren't major college material, right?

    Yup. We had 5 seniors and Tony Mitchell. So we only had 6 spots to fill in reality. But we ended up signing 10 because of those reasons you mentioned and we still ended up with just 11 scholarship players last season (2 short of what you're allowed). Last class we only had 4 spots and ended up signing 7, and we're still 1 short now that CJ has left. We sign more than we have initial spots.

  3. 2015 - HS - Gage Ellis SG 6'4

    in UNT Basketball Recruiting

    Posted · Edited by BillySee58

    Benford's first full class (after Coleman and Hardwick) was actually 2013. He signed a total of 10 players. 5 signed in the spring and all made it in as transfers (Vaughns, Aniefiok, Voss, Flannigan, Gaines) while 5 signed in the fall (Casimiro, Norris, Nunn, Friar, and Wesley). Of the 5 signees from his first early signing period, none have played a game for us yet with hopefully Wesley set to play this season.

    But honestly, this shouldn't become another Benford bashing thread. Whether we get this kid or not. We need this class to be successful, regardless of who our coach is going forward. We have 5 seniors and 1 extra open spot for this class. History suggests we'll sign more than just the amount of open spots we have for our class. If these players aren't good then we'll be in big trouble.

  4. 2015 - HS - Gage Ellis SG 6'4

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    There's been several signings and offers to kids with multiple and larger offers under Benford. Not trying to defend him but his offers/signings aren't any less impressive than what the McCarney staff offers out in football. In fact, most of our football offers are the first and/or only offer these kids have received. It doesn't matter that you occasionally offer ships to kids with multiple P5 offers if you don't land any.

    Benford's problem is getting kids in school or keeping them here. A few of his recent signings and offers:

    Greg White-Pittman (Tulane, Auburn)

    Jeremy Combs (Texas Tech, Colorado St, Murray St)

    DeAndre Harris (Top Juco prospect and jewel in the class with Ahmed)

    Maurice Aniefiok (Mississippi, Tulsa, Rider, Marshall)

    Carrington Ward (Fairleigh Dickinson/Md. Eastern Shore - Top 100 Juco)

    Vertrail Vaughns (George Mason, Colorado and Wichita St)

    Kelvin Gaines (Cincinati, UCONN, Georgia, Memphis, OU, Miami)

    Keith Coleman (Nebraska Top 25 JC)

    TJ Taylor (OU, Marquette, Ariz. St, TCU, A&M, TX Tech)

    Greg Wesley (Arkansas, Kansas State, Texas, Texas A&M, UTA, Texas Tech, and Texas State)

    Mohammed Ahmed (Top Juco prospect)

    PJ Hartwick (Mississippi St, Texas A&M and South Florida)

    Arthur Casimiro (Brazil National Team)

    Anthony Norris (Memphis, Marquette, Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Baylor, West Virginia, Penn State, Virginia and Arizona State)

    A big part of what UNT90 is getting at is that Benford isn't winning any recruiting battles. A lot of the players you listed, you gave us their high school offer lists, even though we got them via transfer. Getting Kelvin Gaines as a grad transfer after two years of riding the pine at cincy is hardly like beating out UCONN or Memphis for him. Same with Vertrail Vaughns, wanting to come home for his last season. The offers you listed for Anthony Norris were retracted in high school after he regressed and he didn't start for Midland JC.

    I'm really not sure why Benford chose to portray Deandre Harris as the jewel of this class. He didn't have any other offers, came off the bench his freshman year, and redshirted last year. Ahmed looks pretty good, but not sure what his offer list was. Doesn't show anything on his recruiting profiles so hard to know for sure. Also, Greg White-Pittman said his only other offer was New Orleans, so Auburn never offered.

    And as 90 said, Wesley, Hardwick, and Taylor came in before he ever coached a game so they were recruited on someone else's merits.

    We signed 4 guards this year who had 1 offer combined. We saw how Benford-recruited bigs led to bottom of the conference production. Scary to think what it's going to be like with his guards as well.

  7. Dave Campbell’s Texas Football out — let’s talk expectations

    in Mean Green Football

    Posted · Edited by BillySee58

    I heard from a very reliable source that Buyers could have played a lot more the year before, but he had issues with his tackling and he worked on it in the spring of 2013. Obviously the issues he had are behind him.

    It does bother me that the coaches know that there is better raw talent available, but will stick with the starter/player that has better technique and knowledge. At some point you have to get guys some experience and see what they can do. And don't twist this as if I am saying put an athletic dummy out there...but don't sit a player because of one technique or flaw. I'm sure there are some ways or situations to work guys in and get their experience and confidence up. It should not be a "know everything first" then you can play attitude.

    Buyers was pushing for the starting spot in spring 2013 and before the season. He was just waiting for his opportunity. I'm glad the coaches finally pulled the trigger in the Ball state game, but how much better could we have been had the decision been made earlier? He (and jones) could have made a big difference if he started Ohio.

    Who knows if there's more situations out there like buyers. J Marshall comes to mind.

    I completely agree.

    I also think people should take into consideration that our team could be not as good as last year's and still have a similar record or even better. I don't care if I sound like I'm drinking the green kool aid, but we were better than our record last year. We were better than that Ohio team, and the rest of the year proved that, and Tulane as well. Then there's the UTSA game.

    If we can limit those games where we come out incredibly slow, and turn some of those 1-score games the other way, we can easily be 8-4 or better with this schedule.

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  8. Optimistic about DL

    in Mean Green Football

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    The 2010 class was really one of the more efficient classes you'll ever see. And I think a lot of that has to do with Mac and our staff's ability to develop players as long as we can keep them on campus. The fact that so many 2012 kids have left already is what makes that class disappointing so far. But I think the ones who have stayed are going to have it benefit them. Just like how Malik Dilonga had a breakthrough spring.

    But that 2010 class (outside of the desperation JUCOs Dodge signed) featured 12 high school signees. 1 of which left early and never contributed (Graylin Hawkins). Out of the other 11 we had 9 multi-year starters and Richard Abbe (played plenty in first three years including spot start here and there). Also had 5 all-conference players.

    If we can get that kind of efficiency going forward, coupled with bigger high school classes not consisting of so many desperation JUCOs, we will have a stacked roster. Maximizing production the way Mac did with the class of 2010 will have us in the hunt for the West every year.

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  9. 2015 - HS - Gage Ellis SG 6'4

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    Holman had centenary, josh white was only offered by Tulane. Tristan is the only name mentioned above who had a larger school seriously going after him. You can see their offers on rivals among other sites.

    Holmen also had listed offers from La Tech, Santa Clara, UTEP, Oral Roberts (was coming off 3 straight NCAA tourney appearances heading into Holmen's senior season, and Drake (was coming off a 28-5 season in which they received a 5-seed heading into Holmen's senior season).

  10. Dave Campbell’s Texas Football out — let’s talk expectations

    in Mean Green Football

    Posted · Edited by BillySee58

    Before I talk expectations I'd like clarification on a part of Vito's article.

    He makes no mention of Fonzale Davis on the recruiting page. Was this an oversight or does he have academic problems? I believe that he was one that signed with Tyler JC.

    I didn't purchase DCTF but I was perusing it earlier today and I don't recall seeing or not seeing Fonzale's name on our list of signees. I didn't really pay it any attention.

    However, the article part did mention O'Keeron Rutherford coming in. Rutherford and Davis both double signed with Kilgore. So at least no exclusion of Rutherford.

  11. DCTF on the stands

    in Mean Green Football

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    Then he would have a maximum of one year's eligibility assuming that he sat out a year. It's hard to believe that a walkon transfer from a Division II school moves to the second team.

    We only have 2 scholarship centers on our roster in Kaydon Kirby and Shawn Mckinney. Kirby is obviously starting and Mckinney was playing mainly with the first huddle at guard.
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    Cyril Lemon (preseason accolades)

    in Mean Green Football

    Posted · Edited by BillySee58

    Cyril Lemon is getting great respect across the country in the preseason football magazines.

    - Named 1st team all Texas in the DCTF magazine

    - 1st team all CUSA in every magazine that has or will come out

    - 4th team All American on Phil Steele's magazine

    - Was named the top NFL prospect this year in all of CUSA in Lindy's preseason magazine

    - Outland trophy watch list

    - Lombardi trophy watch list

    Great recognition for a guy who has meant so much to turning this program around, and has a great shot at breaking our streak of years without an NFL draft selectee.

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  16. NT offers Lynch RB Rawleigh Williams III

    in UNT Football Recruiting

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    Billy, we have technically offered another running back but our chances of getting him are remote. On top of that he is a JUCO so I don't see that as helping that much. He is Tim Cook from Eastern Arizona JC.

    Most of the touted running backs are either committed or have double digit offers. The best of the rest are seriously undersized. Since we don't seem to have a lot of scholarships available and we seem to have a decent stable of good to potentially very good runners maybe Mac will foego adding one this year (unless a really good one becomes available).

    Yeah, I actually have a thread on Cook. The thing about him is that he is being recruited by most of those schools as a linebacker, so there's a good chance we're recruiting him there as well. But either way, like you said, he'd be a hard pull.

    Since we got 2 running backs last year and at least one will redshirt (like Jeffery Wilson) that'll basically serve as your back for this class. In a small class I think that's the best way to go about things anyways, IMO. Use those scholarships on o-linemen, d-linemen, receivers, and defensive backs for this class.

  17. NT offers Lynch RB Rawleigh Williams III

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    Williams has picked up 2 crystal ball predictions to Arkansas on 247 over the last couple days. His Ole Miss commitment does appear to be shaky, which is the good news. The bad news is that Arkansas appears to be making a strong push for him as well.

    Apparently Mac stated that he wants to sign a running back every class. Williams is the only running back offer for this class, to my knowledge. I think we can afford not signing one for this class. If nothing else, we'll likely to continue to be very picky with RBs.

  19. '15 WR Kalin Sadler (Oklahoma)

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    5'11" 172 lb receiver from Lawton, Oklahoma. Plays for Lawton High School, one of the top programs in the state of Oklahoma. Teammate of 5-star offensive lineman Jalin Barnett, who we offered as well. Sadler plays all over the field for Lawton, especially in the slot, plays safety, and has a solid build. Versatile athlete, and I really like his film. We have offered. Also holds offers from New Mexico, Illinois, La Tech, Minnesota, and Texas State.

    Highlights:

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/514973/kalin-sadler

    http://hsoklahoma.scout.com/a.z?s=406&p=8&c=1&nid=7195368

    https://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Kalin-Sadler-144500

    http://247sports.com/Player/Kalin-Sadler-32631

  20. '15 DB Ashton Preston (Oklahoma)

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  24. '15 DB Darreon Jackson (Kansas)

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