BillySee58

This discussion is not bad offseason discussion at all. Let me address 2 things: 1. The star system. "Billy's first law of following recruiting" states that any and all discussion about stars and the star system will eventually lead to a debate about whether or not stars mean anything. Outlier type players who were lowly rated/unrated or statistics of how higher ranked players are more likely to succeed will then be used to back up either side of the argument. The truth is, stars mean nothing for an individual player. They have nothing to do with how successfull a player will be. But there is evidence to suggest that higher rated players are more likely to succeed. For every Khalil Mack or Eric Fisher, there are hundreds of two stars who never start or even play meaningful snaps throughout their career. Yes there are a lot of politics involved with the star system. Especially if you're going to look at rivals. They're industry is run by teams' rivals sites and subscriptions to those sites. Why bump a deserving player of our ours, like Fonzale Davis, to a 3-star when we give them no pressure and a school with a sub site on rivals is pestering them to bump their 2-star up to 3? Rivals is the best IMO for the top 250 national type kids. But for us, we're more likely to get more love from 247, ESPN, and now scout with our boy Gabe Brooks doing a great job and giving us some attention. 2. Comparing our staff to other staffs. We will and should be compared to other staffs as long as we're playing them or recruiting against them. Yeah getting 2-star guys with no other offers is not necessarily a bad thing, and he might end up being a stud. But don't believe that those guys are on the top of the coaches' boards. There's a very high chance that the guys the coaches want most are also coveted by other schools. You have to win battles to get the guys you want most. As for the early commit argument at the beginning. Of course how you finish is more important than how you start. The impressive thing about the early commits is that the coaches from UTSA and such are selling their program to these kids. If you've been reading Vito's recruiting series, a lot of our targets are going to wait through the summer, into their senior season, or after it's over to make a decision. This is very common among kids waiting to see if they can get bigger offers before they commit. The difference is, other schools' coaches are convincing these kids that they don't need to wait. Commit now, because this is the school for you, regardless of who might offer you down the line. Being able to sell the program to that extent is how you're able to win the battles and get who you want. I trust this staff to win games and field a competitive team. But if you follow recruiting as close as I do, you see things that you wouldn't just from looking at our class on signing day. Our coaches are behind the curve of present day recruiting. Doesn't mean we can't sign a good class, beat teams out for recruits, and win games.

Yes. He is the only freshman to play under Benford who was actually signed under Benford. Overlander, who also bailed after a year, played as a freshman under Benford but signed under JJ

Sounds good to me!

Wow. This might explain why we took a 3rd 6'2", lowly recruited shooting guard (even if he may be the best of them), with seemingly the last scholarship. When all we have in the post is Flannigan, Combs, Voss, and Ahmed. Benford's first early signing period class was Arthur Casimiro, Tony Nunn, Josh Friar, Anthony Norris, and Greg Wesley. Wesley was/is Benford's last chance at salvaging that disaster.

I figured out what it was. I googled his name and his MGS player profile came up. You can still access it even though he isn't listed on the roster anymore. He should be good to go, but you never know. http://www.meangreensports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/greg_wesley_851135.html

That's weird. He has been on the roster all year, at least until last week I saw he was still on there. I've seen him on campus as well. I was under the impression that he'd be good to go for next year. He may still be, but that is a little concerning.

La Tech D-tackle just got drafted. SN: I don't see La Tech taking a big step up this year, like some are predicting, after they fell off last year. They actually lost more seniors than we did, including a lot of their best players, save for their RB Dixon. And they still are weak at qb.

I really hope so. He's definitely worth a draft pick.

I know you're kidding, so know I'm not coming down on you personally. I just wanted to make things clear that I do not want this to turn into a DT-bashing thread. I mainly wanted to see what 09 though about DT's throwing motion and if he thought that would hurt his chances, because I think it does. Just like with Tebow, as earlier mentioned. But if I just wanted his opinion I would've pm'ed him. Everyone else's opinions are more than welcome, I just don't want it to be another shot to make a dig at DT. Just discussing football.

Commits to Texas Tech

Yeah, him personally I'm not too worried about. Especially on offense. Not so sure about defensively, as GMG24 brought up. But as a whole, having only guards who were not offered by any other D1 schools could spell disaster. Especially if we go that route when replacing CJ, TJ, and Jordan.

6'3" 210 lb linebacker from CS A&M Consolidated. Had 110 tackles, 12 sacks, an int, 5 forced fumbles, 4 fumble recoveries, and returned 2 fumbles for touchdowns last year as a junior. Named first team district 14-5A. Also holds offers from Colorado, Rice, Arkansas, Utah, and Texas State. Texas State surprisingly leads for his services at the moment, according to Rivals. Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1658148/riley-garner--jr--olb- http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/176152/riley-garner http://247sports.com/Player/Riley-Garner-34188 http://texas.scout.com/a.z?s=110&p=8&c=1&nid=7547538 https://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Riley-Garner-159652

Interesting. Like you said, it just takes 1 team, but I just can't see Orr being drafted after the numbers he put up on pro day. We all love Zach and everything he's done, but those numbers were killer in his chances at getting drafted. I agree that I think he gets invited to a camp and does great on the field, but I can't see a team actually using a draft pick on him. As for Chancellor, he has to be the most likely to get drafted. I don't see the injury concern. He only got injured once in his career. I get that he's little, but he's very strong and was one of our strongest players, pound for pound on our team. Not to mention he had by far the most combine comparable numbers at our pro day. I don't think he's likely to get drafted, but he's our only player who I could actually see a team spending a draft pick on, because of his return abilities. A Marc Mariani type late round pick. I'm interested in what you think about DT. All his UNT criticism aside, I think his throwing motion is what would deter NFL scouts first. He has the long, pitcher-type motion that got Tim Tebow just hammered by NFL analysts. And they ended up being warranted. I agree that he has a check for size and arm strength, I just don't know if that's enough to overcome the X marks for his production and throwing motion. Even if these guys don't get drafted, I can't wait to hear them getting invited to camps. They all deserve it and will represent us well.

I'm not so sure about that. GWP is more of a shooting guard, but can be a good distributing guard and run the point in a pinch. It just seems that his primary position is off guard. If anything I'd say more of a TJ Taylor replacement. Because TJ does some of that combo guard type stuff for us. I really was hoping this kid would commit. Could be a fun player to watch for 4 years, if we can actually keep a player that long. He's a legitimate 3-point shooter which we need if we're going to go small, and he needs to be able to do in order to consistently score as a 6'2" guard at the D1 level. But looking at this commitment objectively, GWP was dropped by Tulane after committing early in his junior year. Despite putting up great numbers, they didn't think his game would translate well to the D1 level and they felt they could get better players available, from reading their fan board. And other teams seemed to agree, as he didn't officially report any other offers, just listed interest from other schools. So GWP may technically be our 4th guard commitment 6'2" or under with no other D1 offers. That being said, I think he's the best and has the highest ceiling.

Yup. And to add to your and Emmitt's points, those are the type of guys you take your chances with in man coverage on the outside. As much under-center offense as we run, and play-action as we run, these tall outside receivers are what we need. You don't have as much time to get open as a receiver when your team is throwing from under center vs. shotgun. Thus, you need guys who don't need as much to get open. I.E. guys who are taller than the defender they are matched up against and guys who can "outrebound" their opponent and make a tough, physical catch in tight coverage.

He's got all the tools, he just has not produced much up to this point. Only had 368 yards last year as a junior, but I think he's going to have a big senior year. If he had more production he would have a lot more offers. I've really liked this offer since it came out, looking into this kid. Of our outside receiver offers who we realistically had a shot at, he was right up at the top for me, in my inexpert opinion. Very happy about the potential of this pickup.

If he qualifies. But it even says in the article that he's going to play another year for his JUCO.

Good job by the staff! This is a kid who could really blow up with a big summer in 7on7 tournaments, camps, or if he has a big senior season. That's what I've been saying its going to take. Convincing recruits that, even though their recruiting could blow up, he doesn't need to wait, and that we're the right choice for him. Still have a lot of time that we're going to have to hold onto his commitment. But I think it's easier to fight off the big boys for a kid if he's already committed to you, rather than uncommitted with offers from P5 schools.

Committed per Vito! http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/2014/05/unt-picks-up-first-commitment.html/

This Jones kid is a recruit for next year's class. He's still got another year left at his JUCO. That's why Brett put this in the recruiting forum and not the basketball forum.

6'3" 185 lb receiver from Frankston, Texas. Had 324 yards and 4 scores on 18 catches as a freshman in 2012. First team all district 10-2A last year. Good job by the staff to get in on this one early. We are the first to offer. http://etsn.fm/north-texas-first-to-offer-frankstons-kendrick-rogers/ Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/o/1683206/kendrick-rogers http://247sports.com/Player/Kendrick-Rogers-35182 http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/201917/kendrick-rogers https://rivals.yahoo.com/dlb/football/recruiting/player-Kendrick-Rogers-164104 http://texastech.scout.com/player/7758538n-kendrick-rogers

6' 200 lb linebacker from Richland high school in NRH. First team all district 4-5A last year as a junior. Was named sportday DFW player of the week for the week of October 28th after making 14 tackles, 3 sacks, a pass broken up, and a forced fumble against Keller Central. Plays outside lb in a 3-4 scheme, so plays a lot by the line of scrimmage. Hard hitter. We appear to be his first offer. Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1351810/hayden-davidson

6'3" 248 lb defensive lineman from Graham. Visited spring practice this year. First team 5-3A all district at defensive end, but is big enough to grow into a 3-tech naturally. Also plays offensive tackle for his school. Colorado State has also offered. Highlights: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/939794/dustin-mcwhorter http://247sports.com/Player/Dustin-McWhorter-57249 http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Dustin-McWhorter-137060 http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/182457/dustin-mcwhorter http://ucla.scout.com/a.z?s=12&p=8&c=1&nid=7655985

We offered.