[Evidently we have the same official color as Oregon?]

6 minutes ago, greenminer said:

y'all.  it doesn't match.

It actually does (although I don't think anyone should be bent out of shape about it)...

https://identityguide.unt.edu/create-our-look/color:  
"Our primary color is UNT green, specifically Pantone 356*"

https://communications.uoregon.edu/brand/color:
"

UO Green

PANTONE: 356 

"

[Assistants?]

17 hours ago, 2020 Sucks said:

Boom!  Called it!!!  #ballknower

You've earned a very rare GMG.com basketball forum honor:

Congratulations!

[Jace co-hosting QB Camp this summer]

What a great way to utilize NIL to make some dough in a way that also gives back!

[Ta’Shoyn Johnson in the portal]

47 minutes ago, Cr1028 said:

Does William use your account?

 

Dang.  @Cr1028 with the receipts! 😂

[Ta’Shoyn Johnson in the portal]

8 minutes ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:

Luke Walerius was the worst, biggest asshole I’ve ever met. He will never get a CFB job again unless it’s sucking off Seth…

Anyway, the staff cares about the players. That’s what matters most, if we can build a better culture and establish a solid recruitment pitch, we are set for the AAC.

Wow.  Here's some revision.  
Walerius brought in the best recruiting classes UNT has ever had (Sans 2000's class that brought us the likes of Booger, Scott Hall, Brad Kassell, Cody Spencer, & Jonas Buckles to name a few).  He was very good at his job, and I had never, ever heard of him having a bad/asshole reputation.

Just because people leave, doesn't mean we have to paint them as devils folks!

[Seth Littrell Update]

4 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Sooooo . . . what's the update?

That he looks hungover in this picture.

[Seth Littrell Update]

I hope he gets another opportunity at a real job somewhere.
Also, queue the Former-Mean-Green-No-Longer-Mean-Green police requesting this thread be deleted or moved in 3, 2,....

[Gumms commits to Arkansas]

22 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Okay.

Roberts - 43 catches, 549 yards, 3 TDs

Gumms - 34 catches, 458 yards, 5 TDs

And for TEs, blocking is a not just one of those "extra things" that WRs might do, it is a central part of their job, and Roberts was a very solid blocker.  Not that Gumms looked like a slouch, either, but Roberts brought a bigger body to the line.  They both obviously were getting offers from top P5s, probably Roberts a little more than Gumms.  I just fail to see where "Roberts wasn't even as successful as Gumms."  Are you just going by the 5 TDs to 3?

And I suppose I have to take back when I said, "I agreed with your post up to this point."  I don't agree with trashing players when they head out the door; but at the same time, I don't have any real reason to doubt that what some insiders here have said about Gumms is true.  Should we make up stuff about Roberts just to make it even?

Roberts had more run in his True Freshman season so his catch/yards stats are higher.   Both are great players, don't get me wrong.  We were going to have a glut of great TE's, kinda like our RB stable, but in the end, I believe Gumms' ceiling was higher, and he proved that in 2022.   Unfortunately, we won't get to see either of them achieve their ceilings wearing Green, and that stinks.

And as for this rumor of him being a bad teammate...  Are we trying to say we can never have a player who is full of himself on the team... ever?   Kinda knocks down the player pool a little!  😂
And if we want to speculate some, I might say Roberts saw the writing on the wall that Gumms will be TE1 here moving forward (based on his pass-catching and playmaking ability, coupled with Morris' offensive style of not really needing that blocking TE), and decided to leave, hence, why he showed up in the Portal much earlier than Gumms.   That would most definitely "me-first" behavior that is reprehensible to some around here.
I think that has about as much validity/probability as Gumms' presence in the lockerroom being so horrible that the coaches encouraged him to take a hike... yet he somehow ends up on a SEC roster.

[Breaking News: Hodge Adds Johnny Estelle and Jase Herl to Staff]

6 minutes ago, BleedingGreen said:

It would be great to hire Josh White who loves UNT, learned from Coach Jones and would be a good PG mentor .

"Loves UNT" should never be a qualifier for potential coaches.    See Jalie Mitchell for exhibit A.  I know we love our legends like Josh and Zach Orr, but let those guys create their own paths.   No need to shoehorn them in here if
#1, they're not interested, or have a better thing going (In Orr's case), or
#2, aren't as qualified as the next guy, or doesn't fit with the HC's philosophy.

And before anyone brings up Cobbs...  he was coaching HS Football in Denton already.  It was a no-brainer for everyone involved.

[Gumms commits to Arkansas]

45 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:

I agreed with your post up to this point.  But Roberts had been a clear star at TE for a couple of years now.  Most of us had been wondering why Gumms rarely even saw the field until this past season, and he finally seemed to be really coming into his own toward the latter part of the season.  He definitely flashed tremendous potential both as a blocker and as a receiver, but Roberts was far more proven.

Anyways, I hate to see three very impressive tight ends leave via the portal for P5s.  It looks like we get to recruit and develop these players, and then P5s get to reap our harvest.

I dunno about "far more proven."
Easy way to compare productivity:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4432531/jake-roberts
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4583089/var'keyes-gumms

[Gumms commits to Arkansas]

3 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Yes, and?

I don't see the trashing of Jake Roberts on his going-away thread.   Only some of the usual transfer police posters saying the same old tired stuff like "He's gone, why is this here?"  Otherwise, mostly good things to say about him... and he wasnt even as successful as Gumms.
 

 

[Gunnell and Ta'Shoyn Johnson Enter the Portal]

Just now, Mean Green 93-98 said:

Any idea where Tashoyn was projecting on the depth chart?

Yeah.  I am definitely more concerned with losing him.   

And honestly, shame on Gunnell for not disclosing to the previous staff how serious his injury was.   All any other team will need to do is turn on tape of his game VS TXSouthern and watch him hobble around on the field to see he's not the same guy tearing up TXHSFB and at Arizona.

["Be A Light" by Kai Huntsberry]

So happy and proud that Kai's path brought him to Denton.

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

11 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

Do you know for a fact that these are the amounts these programs are offering or are these just assumptions. 

Totally a hypothetical.   I have zero actual figures.

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

9 hours ago, DeepGreen said:

I don’t think we are trashing the players for these opportunities.  For me, I’m against the new system that has been created.  I just don’t like it.

The Times, they are a changin'.

It seems many are upset with the players for taking advantage of the systems in place.   Like once they play for NT, they should choose loyalty over opportunity.    It's just not going to happen until UNT is the "better opportunity".    Thankfully for us, it was for a guy like Kai!

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

1 hour ago, Cr1028 said:

If it means getting that caliber of player in the first place then I am absolutely ok with it.

Why are we ok with being used by rising coaches to have a few great seasons on their way to the P5 but not feel the same about players?

['23 PF Portal Offer: Great Osobor 6-8, 245 - Montana State]

1 hour ago, DeepGreen said:

Weight!  6'-7", 105LB.  Might be a little on the lighter side.  Just sayin'.

That's GOTTA be Kg's, right?   It would translate to 231lbs, but who measures that way here in 'Merica?

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

6 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

That's because he was coming to us, which is a wise decision, not leaving, which exhibits poor critical thinking skills.  Plus, I'm hypocritical when it comes to this.

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

9 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

I can't put myself in Tylor's shoes. I don't know Tylor or his situation. 

I can put myself in my shoes. A few things for me to consider...

1. What kind of team can we have with me at UNT?

2. What kind of monetary interest am I receiving? 

3. Can UNT get close to the figures I'm hearing? 

4. Is money > legacy? Is receiving 15-30-50k more from elsewhere greater than being a legitimate legend at UNT? 

 

Let's be real, from just us fan perspectives, is cementing himself at UNT better than 40k more in NIL money? He's not getting lifetime money, let's be honest about that. So, IOW, he's chasing peanuts. 

Oh dude, No.   
You're greatly underestimating some of these P5 NIL collectives.   These guys are playing with toy money.  ...Especially after Ole Miss makes an offer.   He can play that game with KSSt's starting point, but sadly, he can't play that game with NT.

EDIT:  Heck, let's hypothetical:
NT offers something like $50k NIL.  Probably pretty rich for RV & his group.   Maybe GBR decides he really wants to try and keep Tylor and throws in another $25k-$50k himself to get him up around $100k.  That's the best we could hope for.
KS St. probably starts around $100k, and could easily bump to $150k - $200k.   That's a ton of money.
Ole Miss starts at $400k, and the second they see hesitation, simply bumps to $500k.  From there, if they have TP's ear, their collective can likely go bug some other donors for another $50k-100k.

I dunno about your situation, but $400k difference between UNT & Ole Miss is "Life changing money" for most.

[Thinking out loud about NIL strategy]

40 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

If you can keep Tylor here then you keep Tylor here, period. 

Sadly, we don't play with those kinds of bucks... yet.

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

9 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

Yes, they were with us. They decided to leave us. They are no longer with us. They, themselves (college athletes in all sports), are proving more and more they're replaceable. Interchangeable pawns. 

Gimme an answer to that bolded question.  Put yourself in Tylor's shoes.   What would you do?

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

2 minutes ago, Wag Tag said:

That means the lower conferences are our farm system along with P5's that want to play. This is one of the reasons I think HS players are going to be the last line in the pecking order.

But no-one has anything bad to say about Kai Huntsberry's loyalty in coming to UNT from a D-2 school.  According to some, he should have just stayed there.   Lucky for us, he felt that UNT was a better opportunity for him.

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

2 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

They are literal pawns for UNTs advancement. Players come and go, UNT is forever. Seems pretty pawn-ish to me. 

And for the record, I don't wish any of them well. You're either with us or against us. 

My man,
These guys get 5 years to play college b-ball.  Again, put yourself in these guys' position.   What would you do?

And these guys sure seemed to be "with us" when they were busy earning All-conference honors and winning games wearing Green.  I'm sure glad they were "with us" while they were.  Otherwise, we wouldn't have a NIT banner-hanging ceremony next season.

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

16 minutes ago, Jonnyeagle said:

I am not either and the ones who claim to be are being disingenuous.

No.
It's just that those of us who are OK with it are able to put ourselves in these kids' shoes, and not trash them simply because they chose to pursue opportunities outside of our beloved UNT.   They're actual people.   Not pawns for UNT's advancement.   

No one trashes guys like Jalen Jackson when he leaves to play at A&M-CC, but as soon as a real difference-making player like Abou or Tylor happen to leave to play elsewhere, y'all's feelings get hurt and you wish him "well", while actually wishing him ill.  And you even get faux-righteous posts like Andrew's saying he would not allow his son to advance himself... yeah right.

[Where's Tylor Perry This Weekend?]

32 minutes ago, NorthTexasSportsNetwork said:

I’ll take K State for 500 please

You’d better believe Ole Miss is going to bring a huge bag on his visit.   There’s likely a reason why he cancelled his bama visit for a trip to Oxford.

If it ain’t enough, I bet you’re right.