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Thanks for the correction, Ibleedgreen; now corrected. I actually started doubting that sequence shortly after posting, but got busy elsewhere.

That's pretty good insight, GrayEagleOne. I am aware that the desegregation was court ordered, but it seemed limited. I do wonder if Mitchell be seen as taking any initiative, or was he just responding completely to outside pressure, whether from the Court, or University administration.

Thanks for that analysis, Rick. Pretty good stuff. I haven't followed the program long enough (I enrolled in 74) to know that much about the coaching, players, system, etc. for that time frame. I had suspected that late 60's era would be favored by someone; I'd love to know more details about it.

I just thought this might produce some positive thoughts. Not necessarily just single seasons, but maybe spans of years like the late 50's and early 60's after North Texas was the first Texas University to integrate. Ws it coaches like Odus Mitchell who saw that the future was integration of college athletics? The players such as Abner Haynes he recruited? Support of the administration and community in the Hayden Fry era? Was the early success of Rod Rust at all related to his coaching, or just the talent base Mitchell left him?

Smitty, based on the results of that game, and the way Permian has played so far, we SHOULD recruit from Permian. However, most of us Eulessers (or whatever we're called) would agree with coach Lineweaver that Permian is good, but Trinity played badly that night. I DO think that, whatever the results of this season (and Trinity's prospects are looking better recently), that Trinity has consistently had strong offensive line play. I don't think they should just be judged entirely on the Permian game, where a Trinity quarterback, starting his 2nd game, as I recall, turned the ball over 5 times. I also think those turnovers make it hard to judge the Trinity defense, as they were defending a short field all night. Living in this area, I don't really know enough about Permian's players, other than hearing their quarterback, Taylor Byrd, being highly praised. I'm not sure we're looking for more QB's at this point. I think many of us will see more detailed media coverage of other Permian players by the end of the season. If we see players in the positions we need, we certainly should make an effort to recruit them. In my opinion, we need better offensive linemen, and a variety of defensive players. Trinity, in my opinion, would be a good place to look for such players. Another question is how much relationships between coaches and programs matter in recruiting. From what I've read about the signing of Micah Mosley, it mattered there. I've read about negative feelings Dodge has had about Permian, but don't know if that's just intenseness of a rivalry, or something that would present difficulties recruiting from there. I know there are personal and professional relationships between Dodge, the Carroll coaching staff, and coach Lineweaver at Trinity. Sorry to go on this long, but feel the shellacking Permian gave Trinity this year was just one game-although I hope they have a rematch in the playoffs.

I agree; no matter how anyone feels about DD, he's gone and has his own problems. Time to deal constructively with our own. By the way, are you in N.C.? I and family will be there to vacation near Blowing Rock in a couple of weeks.

You know, I hear you Illuvius. It's no secret that I'm a big fan of the Euless Trinity FB program, and was glad to see them handle the 2nd ranked 4A team, the Waco Lions, handily 2 weeks ago. However, I really loved seeing that Waco team keep fighting and finaly getting on the scoreboard with a few minutes left in the game; that almost made me wish their star RB wasn't out from injury. There's something about that never say die attitude! Another North Texas like thing-they had a great band!

I'll stick with my original post on this forum, that we need to recruit more guys from Euless Trinity! Wanted: blockers and tacklers!

Well, this, in addition to the 2 blocked punts against FAU last week, makes me wonder if a little more attention needs to be paid to preparing the special teams.

Thanks, NT80! I believe I've got it now. And, sorry to answer your question with another question (or 2), but who is our special teams coach, and are we cutting him a little too much slack in this forum?

Sorry that I missed the start of the game, or if someone else has posted about this, but how was it that Arkansas got the ball at our 35 after we received, I do understand there was a North Texas penalty, but how did it result in Arkansas at UNT 35?

Hey, I noticed one guy in the game chat tonight seemed to be making fun of my town (which is evident from my screen name, I guess). One reason I came up with that name was to call attention to the kind of hard hitting Offensive Linemen AND defensive players we have in the Euless Trinity program. Call me old fashioned, but it's a thing of beauty to watch the local kids moving the line of scrimmage towards the opposing secondary.

I like your "quarterback rotation" concept. So far, I've only watched a small part of UNT football in person, at SMU; perhaps for that reason, I haven't decided whether Meager or Vizza is best. But, since the Sun Belt School schools are really playing for the conference championship and a chance for the New Orleans Bowl, I must agree that the Arkansas game could be viewed as an opportunity to evaluate talent. I do think Dodge has the background, having lived through a quarterback controversy at UT, to finesse the situation. I like what the TCU coach said last week, to the effect that "We don't have a quarterback controversy, we have two quarterbacks".

Thanks for responding Greenminer; I just picked the Avatar off the forums "base avatar" list, although I must admit to bearing a physical resemblance to my own avatar (the glasses?). Also, I agree with your assessment of Vittatoe; a great kid with great character. Too bad UNT missed out on him, but I predict a great career for him at UTEP. Wish he could have pulled out the win against Tech last week, but just another great back and forth game there!

Thanks for your kind words Rick; I am thinking that rather than " can't imagine us recruiting MANY Trogans in future years", you meant " CAN imagine us recruiting MANY Trogans in future years". Just my guess. By the way, your name sounds kinda familiar; I'm wondering when you left Euless Parks and Rec. I live next to Wilshire Park, and have talked with some Euless Parks and Rec staff over the last 6 years that I lived there.

Thanks for the kind comment. I met Lineweaver once while out walking my dog. I decided then that he was an excellent person and that I would start following Trinity football. After watching some games, I also came to consider him a "great coach". I can't wait to see their home opener weekend after next...from what I've heard, they have another bunch of great players this year! I'll have to check that schedule; hope it's not another Saturday game like Tyler Lee!

Hey there neighbor! Thanks for making me feel so welcome on my first posting here.

Well, i wasn't going to bring that up, but now that you have...I just didn't want to appear to be blaming Steve Lineweaver for that loss. Hey, I never would have though of that fake punt, but then, his staff came up with a great defensive strategy for that game, putting Trinity in position to (darn it!) almost pull out the win!

I'm hoping this first post works! I just thought I'd mention that both the passing game (hallelujah that we're throwing now!) and running game (need more of it) could benefit from improved blocking. I've been lurking in the forum for months now, and couldn't help but notice mention of injuries in the offensive line. Solid offensive line play has been a hallmark of Euless Trinity football in recent years. Trinity won state in 2005 (5A Large School division, while Carroll was winning in 5A Small School division) behind great blocking. Many (myself included) think Trinity would have won again in 2006 if not for a late touchdown by Carroll in Bidistrict. A big (pun intended) reason for this success is Euless' large population of Tongans (immigrants from the South Pacific island nation of Tonga). The size and athleticism of these young men is impressive to watch. I had been wondering if the run oriented style of play at Trinity would be a poor preparation for the dodgeball offense, but noticed a thread discussing the introduction of the spread to the Trinity offensive mix. I congratulate Coach Dodge for recruiting the Trinity players he did; Marcus King and Jordan Scoggins will be great contributors at some point, but want the UNT-Euless Trinity pipeline to become even better established. By theway, Trinity head coach Steve Lineweaver has Southlake connections himself. He worked as an assistant there and has a son who is an assistant there. The son arranged for the Dodge White House visit to be as "welcoming" as it was; another Lineweaver, Steve's Daughter, is Laura Bush's aide (no political statement on my part, just to mention there are personal links between these football families that can lead to good communications). Speaking of communication, when Dodge announced his 2007 recruiting class, and told little stories about the different recruits, he mentioned that Trinity's Marcus King, after committing, would send him text messages about players to recruit. I hope he can keep that up, as he talked his teammate Jordan Scoggins into signing on! I'll try this link talking about Trinity's first game this year. Hope it works! Trinity at Tyler Lee