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And sorry, but from experience, you are not just a coach away. The most important thing is the hardest - admin support, athlete support on campus, funding for assistant coaches and staff, etc. These are the invisible things that took 10+ years at SMU to fix even after we decided to start trying. Not to mention NIL. That's why Traylor at UTSA is good but there's a hard ceiling no coach can get past. Those are the things to demand your admin support and implement. If beating the worst teams was enough Boise wouldn't be in the MWC. Nobody gives credit for beating Charlotte

Time to start winning? Yes. Absolutely. Can't screw it up or it's a waste We have been winning. Not as much as we need to, but the last 5 years have been good winning records in the AAC. The substantially harder AAC with Cincy UCF and Houston in it. This is the first season of real NIL affect. The first round went to defending our roster from Dykes poaching to TCU and very little new added. The second round was a mass upgrade across the board. This year will tell the story on if that strategy is viable. I think it will be. A loss to OU or TCU is reasonable. Any loss in conference will be indicative of a major problem.

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I don't know, I can't image what academic benefit could come from associating with Duke and Georgia Tech and Stanford vs UTSA Memphis and Charlotte

UH and Cincy and UCF got a great deal. So what? That deal wasn't available. Should we just give up because we can't get the UH deal? This deal was available and it was worth it.

First off the non-media revenue we will get from ACC is about the same as our current AAC income. So no loss. And that's before you calculate ticket sales etc. Yes donor will have to fund the rest. So will Oregon and Washington donors as they are getting a massively reduced share too. Taking reduced share has happened plenty. We are just doing it longer. But that's the cost that has to be paid. And it isn't depleting the donor base. I'm watching the ACC press conference at SMU right now and there are at least three billionaires sitting there. The money is already sitting there in an account and raised from a group of people that aren't phased by their portion. But not that you even need billionaires. Its a ton of money for one person but not for a group. Most universities could come up with the money easily, if there were the interest and motivation. Luckily the opportunity and motivation aligned right now. Thank you Sonny Dykes for enraging our donors with spite.

What's the reputational effect of not even being being the least worthy member?

Dellenger is reporting we'll still get tournament money, in which case we'd be making $5-$10 per year. It may still actually be a raise over our AAC money to take zero media money. https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1695875951911989374?t=W3oP-fCgtO9VZttFTivXJw&s=19

You don't think scraping the top teams would be a better option? Buyout for AAC is not that big. They'll want teams in Texas also

Is that the coalition of the willing? Some complain about having a coach that might get poached. But it beats having a coach no other team would take. Same here. Potential issues in the future beats being in a conference with only schools nobody wants to poach. (AAC/B12)

How do we celebrate the beginning and end of a storied 1 year conference rivalry? https://twitter.com/espn/status/1697583247071338525?t=575oZFlZEA5SJGY67LD7fg&s=19

Excellent. Finally our spot in a P3 conference. Good thing that TCU game is rolling off the schedule. Is does nothing for SMU to play an OOC game against a lower conference.

For now

Could be just P2. Might be P4. There's a lot of big state schools with congressmen left out with just P2 but who knows. But it very, very likely won't be beyond that. There's almost no cost to us trying beyond boosters who want to spend the money. Why not try? Worst case is we're back where we are today. No loss.

You're welcome. It can be hard to understand for the hoi polloi outsiders.

You're right. Joining the ACC is NOT a guarantee we'll stay in the game. But you know what IS a guarantee? Staying in the AAC guarantees we WILL be left out. If we can get the chance to try, now is the time to take it.

There's 10-15 pledges at various levels to cover the $200M+. That's $20M each or less. A lot to us, but just not that much to these guys. Regular people like you and I can pop over to Perry's with the wife for the awesome pork chop and a few drinks, maybe a dessert, and it's no big deal. Or go someplace a tier up for a nice special dinner. But someone who works at Target pushing carts wouldn't dream of dropping a couple hundred bucks like that for a generic dinner. Someone like that considers Cheesecake Factory a special night out and Wendy's a generic dinner place. None of those things are good or bad, just an example of how what's a lot to some is not a lot to others. When you net worth starts with a B, $20M is just not significant. Here's an SMU alum dropping $20M on flying a whale around. Tell me that's not dumber than buying into the ACC. https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/08/03/colts-owner-jim-irsay-20-million-saving-whale-jonathan-taylor-contract

You don't seem to realize neither of us have anything to lose. All of us in the AAC and MWC are about to be the equivalent of DIII or DII or whatever you want to compare to. We, and you, have nothing to lose. Not even money, we make almost nothing in the AAC anyway.

Every man has a price. For an ACC spot..... I'll do it. No pictures of my face though.

Go look at those games. I'm not saying they were a good team or didn't win the games - they obviously did. But they had every break go their way imaginable. Multiple games where the opponent had their starting QB out. Multiple games with turnovers exactly at the right time, penalties at the right time. Lost their own starting QB to end up with a Heisman candidate backup QB they didn't even want to start. And they capitalized on them. They did earn their way to the championship game. But they were not anywhere near the #2 team on talent and there's no way they will get that far again. They will have to fight and claw to stay competitive at they level they want to be, and us buying players, giving them a loss OOC, etc is a detriment to them. We damn near beat them last year and we were not anywhere near as good as them overall. That would have killed their season. And for what? They get no credit for beating us. Only we can gain.

Yes. That's literally what I'm saying and why they cancelled. We don't benefit them, only potentially hurt them.

You, me, and TCU all know they made that game from phenomenal luck. They are good but not that good. They are absolutely vulnerable in recruiting now in the B12 sans UT and OU. They will continue to lose conference prestige and they will need to stay razor sharp to combat that. Having us be a legitimate recruiting competitor is only bad for them.

We beat them 2 of the last 3 years, plus they have had NIL shortages and we stole some great players from them. It only hurts them to play us and only benefits us. In short: they are scared.

We were cheated by the UT- enforcement complex angry that we were successful and targeted because we are small and private. The Pharaoh demanded we be killed, and now we have wandered the desert for 40 years. But finally we are, perhaps, reaching the promised land and have our chance. You describe us like we.have power,.but in football we are the salt of the earth. The every man. You should be supporting us as we show that it is still possible to bootstrap yourself up in the conference game, not side with our big state school oppressors. We are just giving unto Caesar what is Caesars. Isn't the 7 year term poetic?

I'm not sure you understand how this works. Whores get paid, they don't do the paying. We are more like someone patronizing a quality escort service. It's like when you have a series of evening business engagements but are single, and need a quality, skilled +1 who can both look the part and play the part. We spend money, we get prestige and other benefits back