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  1. Why is the Mayor of Denton not promoting UNT Homecoming Weekend?

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    What amazes me on this board is how many people are surprised about this or act like this is not who Denton is…

    This has ALWAYS been Denton. The towns’ people don’t care about or just loathe athletics at UNT. The university’s administration and faculty have made that even easier to do for the Dentonites, too, as well as the student body they influence. 
     

    Look at Vito and his columns. He expects us to be thrilled with .500 and a bowl game every year, since we’ve usually sucked. Never once asks what it would be like if the town cared more or if the university made winning its main priority…why? Because he knows the constituency for whom he writes for…it is what it is.

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  2. Why is the Mayor of Denton not promoting UNT Homecoming Weekend?

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    7 hours ago, GrandGreen said:

    Heard that excuse for decades, although it has never makes any sense. 

    Support both, unless there is a rare game against TWU and NT then be neutral. 

    It doesn’t work like that. TWU claims they are overlooked as a mostly female college that is much smaller. The DRC grabs those complaints and runs with them, saying TWU is being mistreated. What Denton politician or social leader wants to run into that hornets nest? Nobody. Hence, TWU and UNT are treated equally by Denton, when they are not. But it’s like CUSA being stuck with Judy McLeod…not one college administrator is gonna say that she sucks ass at her job, knowing full well that he will be fired for sexism ASAP. Same goes for Denton leaders with TWU.

    UNT is held back by Denton—always has been. And we can’t do a thing about it.

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  3. Heard Something Troubling Today

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    1 minute ago, Coach Mac Andy said:

    Look, I’ve been saying this for a while now. I don’t really know what this AD does well at this point. They’ve cratered student attendance which has been our strength since Apogee opened, let all of our traditions fall apart, can’t run an in-game presentation, results on the football field are not satisfactory…

    At some point you have to look at Wren. I don’t think this is what we meant by New Denton.

    Because there is no “New Denton”…it’s something that homers and newcomers want to believe in…the culture doesn’t want this to be important here, so it’s not…unless we beat schools people have heard of and care about.

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  13. Taking the Temperature of the Coaches in the American Athletic Conference

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    26 minutes ago, greenminer said:

    Absolutely, but the hyperbole around here is ridiculous.

    I think there are two views/sides solidifying on this board regarding SL:

    1) People who recognize the improved team and are willing to see how it unfolds...including into next year as long as it continues.

    2) People who recognize the improved team, and will not budge.  The last 7 years should mean he gets fired no matter what.  Or he has to win the conference/bowl game to even get consideration for 2023.

    In your view, a close game to Memphis does not negate his overall record against the AAC.  Which I'm cool with.  But I'm also curious to see how the rest of the season unfolds.  You? I'm not so sure if you'd care.

    What are your views on this?

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  15. Auburn fires football coach Bryan Harsin

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    27 minutes ago, greenminer said:

    This is the Eeyore in you speaking.  The New Denton has demonstrated that, when there is enough demand, someone will find enough money.

    The real question is, who does Wren want, and does will he want him enough.

    @greenminerif we have the money, why didn’t we use it last year instead of making this a make-it-or-break-it year with the easiest schedule we have ever played? We had three straight losing seasons after last year, with a cumulative 11 wins against FBS teams. We have gotten prison-raped by SMU for the last 3 seasons, now 4 which I know you know, and who is the biggest game on our schedule every year by a mile. Outscored in those three games, a future AAC opponent, by only 149-74. Doesn’t count this year’s 48-10 beatdown, either.

    You can call it eeyore all you want, I’m just saying that $$$ is always the number one priority here for athletic decisions. We were not gonna use $2.7 million to buyout SL, while also costing us a huge BMD. That was never gonna happen. Obvious to anyone who wants to see it…

    Again, maybe I’m wrong and SL blows this chance. But I’ve said all along that 7 wins will get him an extension. And this schedule is the easiest one we have ever had to do just that. That’s probably eeyore to you, too, but it’s again obvious. I’m of the belief that SL coming back is a done deal. And I don’t believe that is in the best interest of the 15k Mean Green football fans that follow our program closely.

  18. What triggers a Seth Extension in your mind?

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    3 minutes ago, MeanGreenGlory said:

    Hiring a new coach is risky for every program. It's part of the game. Just look at the situation Auburn is in right now--they hired what appeared to be a "proven winner" and 1.5 years later spent $15M+ to buy out the contract and bring in someone new.

    Why is it worth $15M for them to do that?

    Because the cost of running a poor-performing program is higher than the $15M+ to buy out the coach.

    They recognize opportunity cost. They recognize that if you have a poorly-performing program, all revenue tanks. 

    What's interesting is UNT has such a long history of football mediocrity that running the average program we have today isn't much different than running a poorly performing program; the die-hard fans will show up and complain about not winning, but then still show up for a few more games throughout the season and complain some more until the next season. The difference in ticket sales, merchandise, concessions, donations, etc. likely isn't drastically different between the two types of seasons/programs at this point for UNT. As a result, there isn't a drastic amount of downside risk to brining in a new coach who performs the same as, or worse than, Seth.

    However, if we were able to bring in a coach who legitimately built UNT's program up to its potential, ticket sales, merchandise, concessions, donations, etc. would all increase significantly. If that coach strung together a few great seasons and then got hired away, the program is in a better place which means the caliber of your next head coach increases which increases the opportunity to build on the momentum. This is how other schools like UH, UCF, Cincinnati, Boise State, etc. have climbed the ladder, and it's a realistic roadmap for UNT as well if the decision is made to pursue it.

    With this, the upside potential is far greater than the downside risk for UNT right now.

    What I find fascinating is that when McCarney was head coach, people on here would grumble that we would often "play to not lose" instead of "play to win." They're two different mentalities, and they bring different results.

    As a program right now, it feels like if we keep Seth we're playing to "not lose" instead of playing to win.

    I think it's time UNT plays to win.

    I’ve followed this place since 1990. The only time I have ever seen us make an opportunity cost change at the head coaching position before the buyout was under a year on the contract was the moment Dan McCarney got fired on the spot after losing to Portland State on Homecoming. He got $2.1 million dollars in a buyout, which was a lot of money here at UNT. And because of that, we had to keep our basketball coach for his final year of his contract, which kept us from having any buyout. 
     

    We didn’t do that this time, as SL got to stay, probably due to a factor of major expense here + risk of losing a BMD(s) who are all in on SL. Again, that’s expensive here and we always have run the athletic department on a known cost basis. Maybe this doesn’t continue…maybe we look at the situation and ask what it would take to actually hire someone here that could get butts in seats that match the attendance we claim each home game. But the track record is why I’m of the belief that SL will be here as coach with a new contract that gets him another 2-3 years added on to next year.

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  19. Auburn fires football coach Bryan Harsin

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    1 hour ago, Cr1028 said:

    I’m good with that but for us to pull a LaTech and fire a coach who gets us to the title game and replace him with some “name” would be such a beating. 

    We have done it before…our practice fields are named in honor of a guy we had just fired, after going 42-64, including 5-18 in his last two seasons.

    Interestingly enough, we had a BMD walk away when we fired Dickey, which was why he got his name on the plaque outside the practice fields. But we needed his million dollars so badly back then that we let it happen. Today, it’s very, very possible that the firing of Littrell could cost us a BMD again. But I’m really doubting that he’s gonna get fired. Those 7 wins he needs to stay here are there for the taking. Remember, SL staying means the AD saves another $2 million by not paying any buyout of any coaches. And that will always be a player here in any discussion.

  20. Auburn fires football coach Bryan Harsin

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    Auburn, except for pay, is the worst job in the SEC, to me. BMDs run that place and all of them hate each other, trying to hurt the other BMDs to look the best. And you have to play Alabama and Georgia every year. Good luck with all that. They fired Gus Malzahn for going 6-4 against an all SEC schedule, being one of 5 SEC schools to finish with a winning record, this after two SEC West Division titles, while being in a division with Alabama and LSU, who won or played for national titles every year basically every year Malzahn was there.

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  23. Only Extend Seth Littrell Only if...

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    1 minute ago, southsideguy said:

    would you give SL a five year extension?

    The better question is would WB extend him that long? Again, Wren is gonna be dealing with:

    A coach who would've won at least 7 games 3x in his tenure here--that hasn't happened here since Dickey was leading the program in 2002-2004 in the old SBC.

    Said coach's agent, who runs college football coaching and usually gets what he wants for his clients. Sexton is the Scott Boras of college football coaches' agents.

    BMD(s) that treat SL as a "son" and have major sway around here.

    And by accounts, WB really likes SL as a person, just like most everyone does.

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