TacoBean, I rarely strongly disagree with something posted on the board, but this is one of the times. Has RV pulled some sort of miracle here? No, has he done a very very good job and I look forward to him being here a long time. A tiny percentage of the student population saw this as "an issue", and decided to go full bore against it, the rest of the student population was just too damn apathetic to go vote, did you see the percentag of those who voted? RV went out and talked to any student group that would sit still for 15 minutes and the alums paid for ads in the Daily to persuade students, the simple fact of the matter is the students dont care enough about the university to shepard it properly, thats why we have administrators. And, keep in mind I am a student as I write this, I wouldnt trust most of the people in my classes to watch my dog while I was on vacation, let alone wiegh the pro and cons and decide on any issue bigger than "you want a beer?" Athletic giving is way up, MGC membership is up, season ticket sales are up. It going to take more than *1* 5 win football season or *1* 15 win basketball season to get people excited enough to open thie pocket book. Given the fact that most students dont give whent he graduate, and most people in Denton dont give a flip about UNT in any sense, then I think what he has accomplished is great. The general consensus among the media people I have talked to is that it looks first rate. I think it looks good, I especially like the 22 or 23 conference championships listed on the inside cover. Those 3 things you listed are HUGE, worth his salary by themselves. Tailgating is a huge hit, and its just idiotic it wasnt in place before. RV has gotten good sponsors to be out thier, has taken care of like gmg.com and the greenbackers, and made it a great place to go before the game. Here is the bottom line, would RV's accomplishments be a huge at aTm? No. Are they huge here? Yes. RV has to fight an apathetic student base, a faculty who can be down right hostile, a town that has ignored us for 110 years, and alums who forget about the school as soon as they get the degree. What he has done is great, what he is doing for the future of the school is even better.