Professor Lambeau

I was in Buc-ee's at 6:30 this morning and saw an individual with a UNT football shirt on. I asked: is coach staying? There was no response. I'm trying to help this thread reach 100+ pages. You should also know the individual looked half-asleep.

You should email Coach Riley and encourage him to apply for their opening! And then Coach SL could take the opening at OU, his dream job. Now if I could only solve the recently created UNT opening.

Why is it that no one at that level seems to want to follow Coach Snyder? Could it really be no one at that level thinks the K-State job is all that attractive? A combination of both?

Why would you not want to hire a legend (top tier coach) who has proven experience at the P5 level instead of a coach with some success after a couple of years as a G5 head coach?

As I have stated in a previous post, I think K-State should hire a LEGEND (top tier coach) to follow the LEGEND Coach Snyder. WHY is that not happening? K-State also beat UNT 49-41 on Nov. 27, 2010 in Denton, TX. And, it was impressive since K-State battled back from a 20-7 deficit for the victory. That victory has to rank up right there with those accomplishments you mentioned in your post, right?.

Counterpoint: if he CAN get KState back into the top 4/5 of the B12 (where we have been since the B12 was formed) then he will still NEVER coach at OU. Those affiliated with OU will expect more from their next head coach and they have the resources to go out and make that happen.

IF Coach SL believes that, then I admire his confidence and self-belief. With that said, you had a legend in Coach Snyder, but have you ever been considered a powerhouse football program, won against other high-level teams in the conference, and out recruited Texas/Oklahoma? IF the end game (dream) is to get to OU, then I do not see how accepting a position at K-State is a strategic decision for Coach SL. I honestly believe that. I also wish K-State the best in your football search.

Who are these better candidates you're mentioning? I'm not sure why it matters but I will play along. This is one example (of many). IF I'm the AD at K-State, I make a phone call to Coach Bob Stoops. Hey Bob, I know you miss coaching, I read the advice you gave Coach Meyer about retirement. It has to be hard not spending time around your own staff, your own players, etc. What do you think about $5.5 M to move up here and take over our football program? We want a LEGEND to replace a LEGEND. Not interested, ok. How about $6.5 M? Still not interested? You sure? How about $7.5 M? Bob, before you answer, is it ok if I talk to your wife, Carol, and ask if she would like to have an additional $7.5 M yearly to spend? Bob, you think you might be interested in $7.5 M EACH year for four years? Bob, you have a net worth of ~$18 M (assuming the internet is correct). In four years, just think what your net worth would be. You will have established a financial legacy for your family, your children, your grandchildren. . . Bob, that's $30 M guaranteed! Bob, you there? And what are the better options for Seth? Based on current college openings right now, stay at UNT...build a dynasty (build a monster)...win more games...win conference championships...win bowl games. When there is a P5 position opening that Coach SL can (not wish or hope) be successful then take that position. Do you really believe Coach SL can make K-State into a powerhouse football team and win against other high-level quality teams in that conference? Do you really think a top recruit is going to pick K-State over Texas and Oklahoma when they have options? I don't think it matters who K-State hires. K-State will be K-State. If I am wrong, I'm wrong. As I have stated repeatedly, I hope Coach SL gets his dream job at OU one day. I have also said that I appreciate the improvement he has made to the football team. If Coach SL decides to leave, then I hope it is for a position that will actually enable him to fulfill his dream.

Honest Questions: 1. If he doesn't perform (for whatever the reason), do you believe he has hurt his chances of getting his dream job of coaching at OU? 2. Why would he take a job when you are wanting him to improve things in the short-term so then you can make a bigger splash hire later to win championships (assuming he doesn't start winning championships)?

^ Indeed!

#discredit #irony

Please read the entire post in context instead of simply bolding specific words to fit your narrative. Here is what you left out using your thought process: And, most importantly, there are better options for Coach SL than K-State. I hope one day Coach SL gets his dream job of coaching at OU. I don't believe that path is by taking a job at K-State. I wish Coach SL success regardless if he decides to stay or leave. As I stated above, I appreciate the improvement he has made to the football program at UNT. 

Seriously, your conclusion is that I'm trying to discredit Coach SL? Really? My point is that K-State can hire better than Coach SL with the resources that they have and based and on what he has accomplished at this point in time. And, most importantly, there are better options for Coach SL than K-State. I hope one day Coach SL gets his dream job of coaching at OU. I don't believe that path is by taking a job at K-State. I wish Coach SL success regardless if he decides to stay or leave. As I stated above, I appreciate the improvement he has made to the football program at UNT.

I appreciate the improvement Coach SL has made to the football program at UNT. The program is better now than when he started. Coach SL is a good, young coach. With all the money that K-State has because of their affiliation in the Big XII, why aren't they trying to hire a GREAT coach, one with a solid winning record, one who has won conference championships, and one who has won bowl games? The truth may be that they simply cannot attract a great coach. SL is good, not great. There are a large number of issues that cannot be ignored: 1. the implosion of the team after halftime with double-digit leads in a few games, 2. the perceived inability to make adjustments at halftime, 3. the team's level of play (i.e., "playing down to") against inferior opponents, 4. erratic or inconsistent play-calling at times by the Offensive Coordinator without any intervention by Coach SL, 5. allowing Mason Fine to play hurt when it is obvious to everyone that he is not even close to being 100%, 6. the refusal to allow the backups (e.g., quarterback) to play when games are out-of-reach. Please go back and read almost any football game thread and review the comments posters have made about this coaching staff and you see the same consistent comments. To me, if K-State eventually hires Coach SL, then they have settled for being good, not great. There are other great coaches out there who would do a better job with the financial resources they have available. I do not understand why Coach SL would want to take the K-State position other than the money. Once you put aside the significant pay raise for the short-term, what are the advantages? There are few. In fact, the disadvantages are far more significant than any advantages: 1. why follow a legend in Coach Snyder? 2. why accept the position when it appears Coach Snyder is going to maintain a presence as an "ambassador" to the athletic program and university? 3. why accept a position when Coach Snyder's son may likely remain on the staff and his promotion to head coach has been advocated for by Coach Snyder? 4. Do you honestly believe K-State is going to beat Texas and Oklahoma year after year after year (Coach SL is no Coach Herman or Coach Riley at this point) and have they ever had long-term success against Texas and Oklahoma under Coach Snyder (almost any season you are basically starting with two L's on the schedule)? Summation: If your dream job is to one day be the coach at OU, then the path to Norman is not through Manhattan, KS. This entire situation is just bizarre to me. I do not understand what K-State is trying to accomplish with the potential hiring of Coach SL nor do I understand the decision-making process by Coach SL if he accepted the position. For both, this is a path to nowhere, in my humble opinion.