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  2. I am starting to think this may really be happening!

    in Conference ReAlignment

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    17 minutes ago, ColoradoEagle said:

    The money just isn't there unless they're able to work something out with Apple.

    Look the money THEY WANTED BEFORE ALL THIS wasn't there.  And it looks like their path to B1G/SEC/ACC/B12 is dead. 

    Their options are:

    • Go indy, get zero conference tv money, get zero tourney access, get zero CFP access.
    • Go to the MWC, get $4M/yr in tv money.
    • Go to the AAC, get $8M/ye in tv money.
    • Stay in the PAC, get some amount, more than $8M/yr in tv money, keep AAC tourney shares ($40M+ over next five years)

     

    Let me be blunt, if some combination of SMU, Memphis, NT, etc is worth $8M/yr, then some combination of the highest tv draws of those teams + the PAC4 is worth more.

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  3. I am starting to think this may really be happening!

    in Conference ReAlignment

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    John Canzano is reporting the PAC4 have $420 Million in money to distribute this year.  Normally that would have gone to all members but they left and are no longer able to claim any of it. 

    Any payout they need to make to Comcast, or a bowl game, they can easily make.

     

    Still seems to me the most viable path forward for the PAC4 is to just add some teams from the AAC and/or the MWC. 

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  4. PAC 12 Realignment Talk Mega Thread (All 12 threads merged)

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    John Canzano is reporting the PAC4 have $420 Million in money to distribute this year.  Normally that would have gone to all members but they left and are no longer able to claim any of it. 

    Any payout they need to make to comcast, or a bowl game, they can easily make.

     

    Still seems to me the most viable path forward for the PAC4 is to just add some teams from the AAC and/or the MWC. 

  6. PAC 12 Realignment Talk Mega Thread (All 12 threads merged)

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    39 minutes ago, meangreenbob said:

    Sounds like they have eight of the twelve needed to approve the expansion. 
    Wonder if the other four can be coerced into throwing in the towel and subsequently approve the expansion? 

    No, they want out of the ACC.

    1 hour ago, Cerebus said:

    Looks like the 4 hold outs are the 4 schools that know they have a home in the P2 if the ACC dies.  No way they want to strengthen the ACC while it's media deal is so far behind the P2.

  16. PAC 12 Realignment Talk Mega Thread (All 12 threads merged)

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    1 minute ago, MeanGreenGlory said:

    Wow. The ACC is reportedly in the beginning stages of dismantling like the PAC12 just did. Why join the next most unstable conference where you know the best teams are leaving and you’ll have to fly all the way across the country for every road conference game?

    Because the ACC grant of rights is (reportedly) iron clad.

    • The ACC Grant of Rights grants all TV income rights to the ACC conference until 2036.
    • Teams can pay an exit fee and leave the conference before 2036, but the TV rights do not revert back to the team.
    • Instead, the ACC retains the TV rights and revenue, until 2036. 
    • There are seven schools that would like to leave the ACC because they believe they can make more elsewhere, however there are seven that do not believe that and want to hold the ACC together.
    • The ACC GOR is not public, however it pretty clear that the vote to dissolve the ACC or change the rights would require more than seven votes.  Otherwise it would have already happened.

     

    Now the seven who want to leave, especially FSU, have been saber rattling about "forcing" thier way out of the ACC for years now.  The ACC has not budged.

    FSU's latest gambit is to claim that since the GOR doesn't contain a "choice of law" clause, they should be able to use Florida law to claim sovereign immunity.    If you remember the Mike Leach/Texas Tech lawsuit, TT used that law to absolve themselves of liability.

    Now I am not a lawyer, but according to some sports law reporting, that argument doesn't seem to hold a lot of water.   TT/Leach was a Texas contract whose jurisdiction was the state courts.  The multi-state ACC GOR is not, in federal courts Florida's sovereign immunity won't hold. 

    If FSU could get it out they would be have left a lot sooner than now.  They are stuck.

     

     

     

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  17. PAC 12 Realignment Talk Mega Thread (All 12 threads merged)

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    43 minutes ago, Salsa_Verde said:

    Say they don’t have to pay anything, why would these (MWC) presidents vote to leave a conference that has guaranteed money to a conference that can’t guarantee anything to them. I think you’re way overvaluing the “PAC” brand as it stands now. 

    Look I am no PAC fan boy.  If they survive his it is most likely bad news for us, because they will more than likely strip some members from the AAC. 

    However, it's really hard to kill a conference.  Whenever people were all over the internet crowing about the death of CUSA i said there was very little chance it would die, because:

    • Being a D1 Multi Sport conference gives you access to NCAA tourney units.
    • Being a D1 FBS conference gives you the above, and access to the CFP payout.
    • In the case of the PAC, being a A5 conference gives you the above, and an extra CFP share, and NCAA student athlete compensation rule making/voting.

    That's tens of millions of dollars reasons a year why a modern conference won't die.

     

    CUSA is still alive, I expect the PAC will be as well in a few years.   That's despite the fact we should all be praying that either 1) We are part of a new AAC/PAC teamup, or 2) the PAC drops dead so they can't steal any AAC teams.

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  23. PAC 12 Realignment Talk Mega Thread (All 12 threads merged)

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    20 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

    Anyone thinking the NCAA is going to step in needs to put the bottle down and get a good night's sleep.  A rural Arkansas nursing home has more teeth than the NCAA.

    The courts have neutered the NCAA.  What exactly are they supposed to do?  They try to stop any of this and the big schools will either beat them in court or go form a new governance model they completely run. 

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