[Today's answer when you don't want to honor agreements - Sue them! (PAC sues MWC)]

Does every new headline really need a new thread? Why can't everything just be in 1 catch-all thread?

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

1 hour ago, El Paso Eagle said:

Agree. But remember, many of these same teams did the same thing when they were in the WAC.

Sure, but they didn't try to dissolve the WAC while doing so. I'm assuming the also went by the bylaws and left with whatever penalties/revenue forfeiture they had to do.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

2 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

This story references the section. It seems to have done it they would have needed to do the back door way they got out of the WAC by getting together in agreeing to dissolve it before they announced they were leaving.

 

 

https://nevadasportsnet.com/features/murrays-mailbag/murrays-mailbag-where-does-the-pac-12-turn-after-getting-rebuffed-by-aac-schools

I'm not a lawyer, but something like that seems ripe for a lawsuit. Colluding behind the other team's backs and doing real monetary harm to those left out sounds like something you could see being a court case. All you would need is access to their emails and messages by lawyers and you would be able to prove they did this intentionally.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

19 minutes ago, El Paso Eagle said:

There seems to be some debate on this. There are reports saying that based on their bylaws, once you announce you are leaving, you no longer have a vote.

This is true, otherwise the 8 schools that left the Pac12  (10 at the time) would have dissolved the conference and distributed the assets evenly. Once you announce you are leaving you don't get a vote.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

1 hour ago, UNTLifer said:

Thank you, and the bold above is my point.  They don't have sustained revenue coming in.  Let 'em die.

I mean that was the whole point of this thing, to try and keep that money rolling in with a decent media deal, CFP participation, and teams that would get basketball credits, it just failed.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

2 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:

Someone tell me where the money is coming from to refill the 2PAC coffers?  They received this massive buyout when all the other schools left WA St. and OR St. high and dry, but outside of that they have zero revenue, no media deal, etc...  What is the attraction of the 2PAC that is making these MWC schools up and leave?  This all seems extremely short sighted.

Kind of like offering UTSA when they don't have a pot to piss in,  have crap facilities and their one revenue driving program is headed in the wrong direction.  This all before Traylor bolts for greener pastures  

CFP money, massive Rose Bowl agreement that runs until 2026 IIRC? Years of muti-bid NCAA credits that accrue interest, the remaining assets of a once P5 conference. They have some money, but they won't be refilling that money at the same level they used to.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

31 minutes ago, C Rod said:

The PAC is paying $27M per MWC school they poach. They could have taken 10 MWC teams to begin with and the MWC would have dissolved without the PAC owing any money. Now it’s going to cost the PAC another $55M for two more schools and the MWC will be flush with over $165+M in cash. This is hilarious. 

I'd bet they had clauses and high penalties in their scheduling agreement if they tried to do that. Even so, from a purely legal perspective I wonder if they get sued into the ground on something like "collusion" or something else since they intentionally colluded to avoid paying exit fees and damaged the remaining schools?

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

7 minutes ago, Matt from A700 said:

I'm sure the PAC 6 will find two more schools to join their rebuild effort, but if they don't, and July 1, 2026 gets near, I wonder what the chances would be of the AAC throwing those six schools an invite, really solidifying our conference as a Best of the Rest League.

ESPN would have to agree to pay for them. I don't think the AAC has a pro-rata clause to add more members for an additional share, we'd have to split our conference distribution and lower each member's payout. I don't see teams agreeing to that. That also segues into new problems with the PAC now, with the AAC teams out what kind of media deal can they get? Does it even make sense for the 4 MWC schools to leave now? The PAC has no media deal secured, not enough members, and time is slowly running out.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

11 minutes ago, VideoEagle said:

A merger under the PAC name is what seemed most likely after the PAC 2 won the battle to keep the exit fees. I don’t know why they resisted that. It was always the best deal for everyone.

It was the last attempt from WOSU to keep some semblance of separation and power, they didn't want to accept their G5 fate.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

The thing that starts to get interesting here is what does the PAC 6 do? Reports are that AFA and others might stay in the MWC and sign a GOR to keep themselves locked in? You would think they would offer Utah St. and UNLV, but what do they do if they don't go? NMSU? UTEP? Tx.St? Could the MWC force a reverse merger?

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

4 minutes ago, MeanGreenRoadrunner said:

Any word from the UNT side about getting higher revenue share to solidify the conference against the PAC?  Over on the UTSA side, that's being asked.  As new members we all took smaller shares vs legacy schools already there. 

Nothing on our side has been reported. I'd guess that Pernetti talked to each schools, as well as ESPN to see what incentives could be done to keep the interested schools. If more money comes down the pipeline I could almost guarantee it was ESPN not wanting to lose those properties. I could see some kind of incentive bonus depending on where teams finish, and Pernetti talked about private equity.

[Memphis, Tulane, USF Turn Down 2PAC....Staying in AAC]

I was saying from the beginning the money to move west was a big hurdle. Everything came down to if there was enough money to make the move worth it, for the legacy members that was $12-15M and $12M was probably the break even because of the additional travel. Pac12 was offered $24M before it broke apart? That was with Washington, Oregon, AZ, Utah, etc. so what kind of deal do you think they'd get with WOSU and 4 MWC teams?

[2024-25 MBB/WBB schedule news]

UAB announced Sept. 10th: https://www.al.com/uab/2024/09/uab-mens-basketball-team-unveils-full-2024-25-nonconference-slate.html

ECU announced Aug. 16th: https://247sports.com/college/east-carolina/article/ecu-basketball-non-conference-2024-25-schedule-released-234806993/

Memphis announced Aug. 5th: https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2024/08/05/penny-hardaway-memphis-basketball-2024-25-schedule/74651136007/

Rice announced Aug. 23rd: https://riceowls.com/news/2024/8/23/mens-basketball-mens-hoops-announces-2024-25-non-conference-schedule

Temple announced Sept. 12th: https://247sports.com/college/temple/article/temple-announces-mbb-and-wbb-non-conference-schedules-236129664/

The other teams I could not find when they released their schedules, but everyone seems to be done except us and Tulsa. So I ask like I always do, why does it take us so long to schedule games?

[Could the AAC Expand to 16 Teams? Commissioner Pernetti's Talks with Air Force Hint at a Bold Vision for the Future]

46 minutes ago, C Rod said:

You called it. After watching them put up 70 points and beat an undefeated UNC, I’m a believer. 

They've got the biggest puzzle piece to success. A well run AD that puts the right pieces in place.

[***Official Wyoming vs UNT Game Thread***]

I'll say I wasn't a fan of the all green. I didn't mind it for a special occasion, but would not want that to be in our regular rotation.

[***Official Wyoming vs UNT Game Thread***]

3 hours ago, Cowboy Up said:

Good game fellas… our QB is atrocious.  If this staff and our AD keep their jobs one second after the season is over we won’t have a program left next year.  Just embarrassing.

Good game, and hopefully all the banged up players aren't anything serious. We both seem to be really struggling with that. Hopefully you guys can get things figured out the rest of the year, or that you can make some excellent changes in the off season. We'll be going up to Laramie in a couple of years, so let's make it a good one. 🍻

[Could the AAC Expand to 16 Teams? Commissioner Pernetti's Talks with Air Force Hint at a Bold Vision for the Future]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:30 PM, Green Otaku said:

I'd vote no on Liberty, I'd rather take JMU if we could get them. Their budget is already $68M a year.

Like I said JMU would be my #1 choice if we could get them.

[***Official Wyoming vs UNT Game Thread***]

Props to the defense for keeping them to 10 points. We really need them to do the same for the rest of the year, I think we are all still skeptical and want to see them against more competitive teams until we feel like they've turned the corner.

[Could the AAC Expand to 16 Teams? Commissioner Pernetti's Talks with Air Force Hint at a Bold Vision for the Future]

I'd vote no on Liberty, I'd rather take JMU if we could get them. Their budget is already $68M a year.

[UTSA and Traylor likely heading to Pac12]

56 minutes ago, RBP79 said:

As the time goes on...10 years?? I'm not advocating either way. But money today is better than tomorrow. It's all speculation anyway.

 

 

No, I was talking about you saying "AAC can blame themselves for the crummy money deal they gave us." The AAC didn't choose the terms, ESPN told them what to do and would not give an additional 3 full shares. I'm just clarifying that it's not the AAC's choice on how the terms were made.

[UTSA and Traylor likely heading to Pac12]

1 hour ago, RBP79 said:

Well 'IF' we were to receive a invite....AAC can blame themselves for the crummy money deal they gave us. With that said assuming the invite paid better immediately.

The AAC didn't have a choice, ESPN arranged the terms to avoid changing the media deal. The AAC could have taken less teams, but everyone would have gotten a haircut, and judging by the teams they lost it could have been significant. Our deal at least ramps up to match the legacy teams as time goes on.

[The Althetic reporting 4 AAC schools leaving for the PAC 12 *** FAKE]

2 minutes ago, JT Hammons said:

Damn we got left behind again!  Where do we end up now?  Back to the Belch?

We are going to the SEC, it was reported by the Althetic.

[If Memphis is invited to the Pac-12, the Tigers should pack their bags and move on from the AAC]

2 hours ago, TripleGrad said:

 

Except for the Tech game and UTSA, aren't all this year's UNT games on ESPN+ streaming?

Last year was the same, all ESPN+ unless the opponent had a media outlet.

I don't see how Apple streaming is different from ESPN+ in terms of practical viewership.

 

vs Cal- ESPNU (national)

@ FIU- ESPN+

@ LATech- ESPN+

vs ACU- ESPN+

@Navy- CBSSN

vs Temple- ESPNU

@Tulane- ESPN2

vs Memphis- ESPN+

vs UTSA- ESPN+

@ SMU- ESPN2

@ Tulsa- ESPN+

vs UAB- ESPN+

 

IIRC ESPN has a 10 day window to choose who to pick up where, if we did better we would have been on national coverage more. Tulane had almost every game on ESPN/2 last year.

 

[Oregon State AD: Pac-12 will look to add new schools quickly]

55 minutes ago, C Rod said:

I see the GMG.com admins also deleted the "What an Indictment of Caponi..." thread. 

Wow, admins are gutless.

[Oregon State AD: Pac-12 will look to add new schools quickly]

If we stayed and others left I'd want to poach teams like JMU, APP, NIU, or whoever are the other top candidates.