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(There's some neat stuff in here. It's a Q and A with Coach Carthel. He's my #1 choice for the job:
It’s not unusual for a coach fresh off winning his school’s first conference title to move on to greener pastures. This usually means taking over a more established program or stepping up to the next level. But for Don Carthel, it meant moving to an actual pasture. Just weeks after leading his Eastern New Mexico University football team to the 1990 Lone Star Conference title, Carthel left coaching to spend more time with his children and tend to the family ranch in Friona, Texas.
When his children, both accomplished athletes, finished their playing days, he wanted to return to college coaching. But he was repeatedly turned down, often told he’d been out of the game too long. In 2004, he turned to arena football, leading the Amarillo Dusters to a championship in the now-defunct Intense Football League.
Then in April 2005, West Texas A&M University offered Carthel its head coaching job. He jumped at the chance and picked up right where he’d left off 14 years before. After winning a total of seven games over the previous four seasons, the Buffaloes shocked the Lone Star Conference by going 10-1 in the regular season, winning the LSC title for the first time since 1986, and soaring as high as seventh in the NCAA Division II rankings.
In this interview, Carthel discusses his decisions to leave coaching and then return, coaching against his son, and helping assistant coaches start their careers.
CM: Why did you decide to leave coaching 15 years ago?
Carthel: I really enjoyed what I was doing except for the time I was missing with my two kids, Colby and Courtney. I’m all or nothing when I do something—on Friday nights as a college coach, I had team meetings, watched film, and pretty much put my players to bed. I wasn’t going to sacrifice those responsibilities to see my son or daughter play football or basketball. I decided that I had to give up coaching in order to really watch and enjoy their high school careers. I thoroughly enjoy what I’m doing now, but I don’t regret leaving.
Coaching never really left my blood, though. I’d find high school players and send recruiting lists to my friends still in college coaching. I was asked to coach a Division II all-star game—the Snow Bowl, in Fargo, N.D. [now the Cactus Bowl in Kingsville, Texas]. It was a college all-star game for players hoping to be drafted. Then, after Colby finished playing at San Angelo State, he took a coaching job at Abilene Christian, and they asked me to be a volunteer coach on Saturdays. I’d drive 280 miles every weekend—more if they were playing out of town. I did that for four years to get my coaching fix. Then the Dusters asked me to be their coach and general manager.
What did you take out of your experience with the Dusters?
This past year at WT, we had a great offense and a porous defense, but I was used to high-scoring games from arena football. The coaching philosophy I used in arena football—taking chances with on-side kicks and two-point plays, and doing anything and everything to outscore the opponent—was pretty valuable. Managing the clock wisely in the last two minutes is of great importance in arena football, and I think I’ve been able to carry that over to the college game.
Did you think about coaching in high school when colleges were turning you down?
No. I did three years of high school coaching, and I enjoyed it. But I was president of the school board at Friona when I was farming and ranching, and I saw how some parents treat high school coaches. I wasn’t too interested in getting back into those situations.
Having been president of your local school board, what advice would you give coaches as they deal with board members and administrators?
I think as long as they treat kids right—the way that they would want a coach to treat their son or daughter—they won’t have problems with parents, or at least not with their school board members and principals. It’s especially important that they have a good relationship with their principal.
How do you cope with the long hours on the road recruiting?
Believe it or not, I enjoy it. I love meeting people, going places, finding good restaurants. But it’s seasonal. A couple of months recruiting is like harvest time on the farm: You work from sunup to sundown, though in this case you’re not even sleeping at home. You’re usually in a motel Monday through Friday, at least.
What did you do to turn the team around this year?
The first thing was to put together a coaching staff of good men who treat the players well. We show players that we’re interested in their lives, not just their football skills. I think if you treat players that way, they’ll respond well, and good team morale and chemistry will follow.
Plus, our community was hungry for a winner. When they saw the heart and the passion that our kids played with, they responded. We led the nation in average attendance with more than 13,000 per game and set a league record with 22,993 at one of our games. Having that type of excitement and interest from the community made our players play that much harder.
What brought the fans out?
Number one, we were winning. Number two was the way we were winning. Our defense was flying around, creating turnovers, and our offense scored a lot of points and threw the ball all over the place. We led the nation in passing this year and were in the top 10 nationally in scoring and turnover ratio. The combination of that type of offense and some very exciting finishes—in six wins we were behind in the third quarter, and in three we won on the last play of the game—made us fun to watch, and I think the fans appreciated that and kept coming back.
Did you play that kind of game earlier in your coaching career?
No. We use the same Air Raid offense that Texas Tech is running. It’s very exciting, very explosive, and our guys bought into it. The team had been running this offense for two years prior to my coming here, but for whatever reason they just weren’t able to finish a game or put a lot of points on the board. Everything just kind of fell into place this year. We had some good receivers and a very good quarterback who hadn’t played much for three years but played extremely well this season.
Your team made the Division II playoffs for the first time, earning the top seed in the Southwest region, where you lost to Pittsburg State. What did you tell your team after that loss?
Of all the colleges that play football, there’s only one that’s happy at the end of the year. And right now, it’s the University of Texas in Division I-A, and at our level, Grand Valley State. Everybody else falls by the wayside sooner or later. So you’ve got to look at the whole season. Thank the players for their effort and don’t dwell on the one game or the one loss. To the players who are coming back, we said, “Let’s learn from this opportunity and make sure we’re prepared to make a better run for the national championship next year.”
Do you encounter many athletes who think that they should be playing in Division I?
That is the type of athlete we’re trying to get. We’re looking for players who Division I schools flirted with and then backed away from at the last minute. We come in and try to pick their spirits up, tell them how good they are, and offer them a partial scholarship. We also seek Division I transfers who didn’t make it at that level for whatever reason. We bring them in and show them they’re great athletes who just need an opportunity or a fresh start in a new environment.
What was it like to coach against Colby?
My son and I have always talked on the phone quite a bit, for 30 minutes or an hour at a time. My wife will be on the phone with us, but after about five minutes, she’ll say, “Well, I’ll let y’all talk football. It seems like that’s all you’re going to do, anyway.” This year it was quite different because after five minutes or so I was the one saying, “I’m gonna let y’all talk,” because I didn’t want to spill any beans about my strategies or recruits or anything like that. Our phone bill was way down, and my wife enjoyed talking more to our son this year.
We both rooted for each other every week but one. That’s the one we both wanted to win. It was all business—there wasn’t any chitchat. [West Texas A&M defeated Abilene Christian, 40-24.]
How do you help assistant coaches maintain family life while being dedicated to coaching?
I try to make it as enjoyable for them as it was for me as an assistant. So I give them advice, visit with them often, and give them a lot of responsibility within their areas.
A lot of these guys are student coaches or graduate assistants. Once they get their degree, it’s time for them to get a full-time job and start providing for their families. I thoroughly enjoy being a part of young coaches’ lives, helping each one develop his philosophies as he starts his coaching career.
If a person enjoys athletics and enjoys being around people, you couldn’t find a better profession than coaching because of the highs and lows and the excitement of being part of a high school or a college program like I’ve been involved with. You can’t go wrong in a career like this.
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Thanks for clearing this up. I can now take the noose down from my ceiling fan.
Seriously, all I ask is that a legitimate search take place. If that happens, I'll be happy with whoever is chosen (even if it's not my favorite candidate).
BTW, it wouldn't surprise me, at all, if the new coach ends up being someone that no one has speculated on.
Good luck in the search.
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Glanville also contacted Sam Houston State and NMSU when their jobs were open.
They didn't take him seriously.....why should we?
Oh, I forgot.....we're NT and do things ass backwards.
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What kind of offense would Butler run? Whats his offensive philosophy? I don't know and I dont think anyone on this board knows either?, Butler does have Texas ties having coached at SMU (pre death penalty) and Navarro JC. Butler has been coaching at a mid major Div 1 school, something that Dodge, Mathews and Carthel dont bring to the table.
Matthews has lots of Division I coaching experience. He was at Georgia before taking the JMU job. He's also been at several other Division I schools.
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Pardon some of us...if we're a little wary of the hiring of a friend.
We've seen 5 + years of how great that has worked out for us, in basketball.
And Jimmy Johnson, when hired by Jerry....was an in demand coach. Miami had hired him away from Oklahoma State, and then while at Miami, Jimmy won a national championship.
I don't see such skins on the wall for Mr. Butler. Maybe a more apt football comparison would be Ernie Zampese or Norm Chow, guys who stayed as Assistants their entire careers.
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“I don’t know when that call will be, if there’s a call at all, and I’m not concerned about it,” Butler said. “I don’t want this to be a distraction to me or the players or anybody.
“It’s a good opportunity, but I’m just trying to focus on UAB. If it happens later on, that’d be great.”
No offense....but it doesn't even sound like Mr. Butler is that interested in the job. And it also sounds like he didn't contact us, we contacted him. He's been there for 16 years.
Hire this guy, if you want alums like me to not come to games for the next 3-4 years, just like many of us didn't come to games this year.
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Just pitiful. Now what happens? Are there consequences for going out in the first round for two years in a row,
Jimmy.....JJ has gone out in the first round.....FOUR YEARS IN A ROW. The only time he won a SBC conference tourney game was in his first year.
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JJ is now 63-78 after 5 years.
His record against Division 1 schools: 54-78
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Pardon me for now, mother nature (keeps on) a-callin'. (Does Kayopectate take care of a light case of probable food poisoning)?
Food poisoning? No, my friend you were POISONED. And, if I had to guess it was probably done by someone in the Athletic Department. I told you years ago to do what I did: hire a food taster.
If you don't make it.....I'll see you on the other side.
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The Middle Tenn game was close. It certaintly would have helped if NT's best player was healthy.
"What may affect the Mean Green is the health of Kendrick Davis. The junior shooting guard missed most of the first half against MTSU with a hand injury before returning. Davis, who leads UNT with an average of 17.0 points per game, finished with nine against MTSU and did not play in the final three minutes of the game." quote was from todays DRC article posted separately.
Is that the coaches fault?
Teams deal with injuries all the time, Old Timer.
Maybe you've forgotten, but UNO beat us in Denton without two of their best players (Bo McCaleb and one other key player who was hurt--his name escapes me). Also, South Bama drilled us, and they were without Richard Law, one of their best players.
We at least had Davis for part of our game.
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Final 2005 1-A rankings:
30 Boise State
43 Fresno State
58 Louisiana Tech
80 Hawaii
102 San Jose State
104 Utah State
111 Idaho
118 New Mexico State
74 Louisiana-Lafayette
88 Arkansas State
94 Florida International
95 Louisiana-Monroe
96 Troy State
98 Middle Tennessee State
107 North Texas
109 Florida Atlantic
Jeff....your list doesn't include Nevada....which would be another school ranked ahead of all of the Belt schools. (this past season).
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Well, maybe it's time to talk about who might do a better job AND be available to us for what we can pay.
Boy, I get so sick of this "who can we get for what we pay?" junk. Somehow, Idaho just got Dennis Erickson for less than what we are paying Dickey. Yes, he signed for 5 years, at a base of $200,000 a year, with incentives he could reach $300,000 a year.
Yet, our fans think we can't get anyone worthy. The last time the b-ball coaching job was open, there were four candidates besides JJ, who were given strong consideration. Of those four, three were hired as coaches by other Div 1 schools (Billy Gillespie, now at A & M, was hired by UTEP; Ray Lopes, an Oklahoma assistant was hired by Fresno State; and Jay John, an Ariz. assistant got a job at Oregon State. So all three of them were quality candidates to say the least, if greater programs than ours hired them.
To me the best candidate of the bunch, was Sam Houston State coach Bob Marlin. He has more quality wins in OOC this season than JJ has had during his UNT tenure.
So, if the job opens up....we will get some quality candidates who want our job.
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Well, I wasn't one of those praising him. I felt like last year should have been his "do or die" year.
Anyway, he was given this 5th season. And the rumor is, was told that all he had to do was win 14 games to be back next year. (And if that is the case--that is a ridiculously low standard for a 5th year coach to have to meet...14 wins, when there are three lower Division schools on the schedule).
Just lose, baby.
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Middle Tennessee beat us tonight 62-60.
Our team is now 12-10, with a 5-6 conference record. With four remaining conference games, all on the road (at: WKU, Denver, Troy, and S Bama).....it doesn't look too good for the Mean Green.
This is the man's 5th year. There is absolutely zero progress. Tim Jankovich and Vic Trilli were both just given four years to get it done. Why should JJ get a 6th????
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If you were a really good wide receiver.....would you want to come and play Dickey Ball? I wouldn't.
It's amazing to me, that we've gotten the quality of receivers that we have.
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Is this ULM's bogus "home" game in Little Rock?
Yessir, it is. I think they have 4 more of those, if I'm not mistaken. Wasn't it 5 games in LR, spread out over 10 years?
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In other SBC TV news.....it was noted in the local paper today, that next year's Arkansas--ULM game will be televised on ESPNU. (Channel 609 for DirecTV subscribers).
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I'll go farther than that. I say scrap the entire athlethic department! Fire them all and let's just be a fine little music school, then all you pissers and moaners can go and find something else to bitch about.
Geez!
It'd be fine with me if we did scrap the entire athletic department.....and started over.
If you think most of the employees/coaches in our Athletic Deparment are Division 1 "talent" .....you're foolin' yourself.
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6 rushes for 19 yards
1 reception for 13 yards
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Arkansas State was 8-9 going in to this game. And they beat us by almost 30.
Now do you see why some of us advocate holding off before promising contract extensions, RV?
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I still don't like the helmet logo.
At least at this All-Star game, they don't let the players "whore up" their helmets with logos from a bunch of different schools. I hate that.
PC has looked good in the 2nd half---several tough runs. Wish Nick had made that 29 yd. FG in the first half.
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I know for sure that Punter John Baker was on the 1998 Playboy team.
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Kinky's website is www.kinkyfriedman.com.
There you can find out more information about the candidate.....and find out how (if interested) you can help out the campaign (through volunteering, donations, etc.)
Kinky in '06,
SUMG
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I had missed it the first time I read it....it says that in his first year at WTAMU (2005), they won three games on the last play of the game.
That's amazing.
But that being said, like GMG1999, I wonder if Mr. Carthel is too ensconsed in Amarillo, what with his farm being nearby, and all.
Anyway, it never hurts to ask if he'd be interested.