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Just now, GrandGreen said:
I missed the part were anybody said Torrey was great. Torrey started last year, so I guess he is in effect a every down back.
If reports are true, they are looking for ways to have both Torrey and probably Attaway in the game at the same time.
Not sure what you think Littrell did to Bussey.
Cut his PT and made him play when he was injured. That could work!! I just dont want Torrey being the every down back, its counter productive, especially in short yardage situations.
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Just now, Jonnyeagle said:
I get what you’re saying and the truth is Aune transferred to Arkansas first before coming to UNT. I always was wondering why did Chad Morris let him leave after spring ball unless he couldn’t cut the mustard for them uo there and whatnot.
Arkansas is not a football powerhouse, nor did Aune face competition like Ruder did for a job. I thank Aune for what he did last year, but he is no longer needed.
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Just now, Wag Tag said:
Ruder will be a dual threat star! When is the last time we had one?
He is the first real Dual Threat QB we have had in a Litrell Regime. I dont understand why so many people carry water for Aune. He was incredibly average and only scored when it didnt matter and we were getting blown out..
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5 minutes ago, Mean Green 93-98 said:
Where 24/7 ranked Ruder doesn't matter anymore, and Sam Howell has nothing to do with this conversation. If Ruder wants to start, he'll need to beat out Austin Aune in camp. That's it.
The only reason he is here is because he couldnt beat out Sam Howell, so its just as much a conversation as Buechelle not beating out Ehlinger and thats why he went to SMU. Apparently he is already ahead of Aune if hes taking first team reps right now. If a 30 year old QB is the best we can do, then we have bigger problems then what is seen on paper.
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Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:
Slow down friend! The above link is what I'm trying to tell you. See #11. We're often enamored with stars coming out of high school. I'm here to tell you that 99% of the time, they don't mean jack when talking about a transfer. That's just a fact.
As for how I feel about Aune... I was a pretty harsh critic of Aune's last season. I didn't really like what I saw. But, he was 8 years out of meaningful football. Maybe he knocked the rust off & is ready to go now? Who knows. We need to hope so, whether he starts or Ruder starts.
Regarding Buechele, you almost made my point for me:
Ruder had a beautiful TD drive in 2018. Great!
There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between "How do you know <XYZ transfer> wouldn't have..." VS "Shane Buechele threw for 4636yds & 30TDs at UT".
One player "could have". The other one DID."To think Ruder wouldnt dominate conference USA is utterly preposterous." ...We'll see.
I think its more embarrassing to lose your job to Ehlinger than to lose it to Sam Howell. If a 30 year old QB is our guy of the present and future then I really should stop watching UNT football. At that point its just downright embarrassing that the best we can do is a 33 year old guy. Heck if Aune keeps it up he may join the work force at 40. We will never know because one dude lost his job to a Heisman Trophy Winner that will go number one overall, while the other lost his job to a bum sixth round pick and transferred to SMU. Ruder deserves to start the first game, we already know what grandpa can do.
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2 minutes ago, GrandGreen said:
Yet, Torrey averaged 5.8 ypc to Stiggers 5.4 ypc. Adaway also averaged 5.8 ypc.
I guess NT just blocks better for Torrey to disguise his lack of running ability
Torrey is a good rb, I don't think he is flashy as some others, but he does appear to block well which is a very valuable trait.
It is my belief there are few if any HC's that want to undermine their own success by playing favorites in lieu of better options.
The only rb I know of that played and left was Stiggers and if you believe him; it was to play with his dream team.
4th and 1 and the game is on the line do you hand it to Torrey or Ataway? You darn well know Torey is an undersized back who wont move the piles in a stacked box, he has proven that over and over again. Sure he can get a couple big gainers off a few draws, but that doesn't make him great. He is more valuable as a receiver than a runner. He is not nor has he been a better runner or finisher than Ataway. Ataway is a guy who is skilled enough to play on Sundays, Torrey may be skilled enough to kick the tires around in the CFL. Litrell has undermined himself time and time again, like the way he treated Bussey for example. Torey is a great 3rd down back, but hes not an every down back like Oscar.
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19 minutes ago, GOMeanGO said:
Lets face the truth here! Littrells undying love for Deandre Torrey is why better running backs are leaving this team. Deandre wasnt the best RB on the team when Siggers was here, and he isnt the best Rb this year either. He has no ability to get YAC after first contact, and outside of bubble screens and a few draws he is far from impressive. If Ataway doesnt start getting some carries, he will be the next to leave.
Go ahead and down vote me! I could care less! The truth does hurt! Heck two of the guys on the depth chart under Torey are better than him! I am a realist not a homer. When its 4th and 1 and the game is on the line do you give it to Torey or Oscar Ataway? My point exactly!
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14 minutes ago, greenminer said:
I thought this was Torrey's bonus COVID year, and he's be gone in 2022 anyways.
I guess I thought wrong.Seth has to know playing Torrey isnt the smartest of moves, I can name two guys lower on the depth chart than Torrey who are better than him, and its not even close.
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13 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:
You're really showing how new you are around here my friend.
We've heard all of this crap before with transfers coming in here.The argument that a guy was pretty good but just couldn't start for <XYZ reason>, but will transfer here and just ball out and be a Mean Green Hall Of Famer by the time he's done because he's playing "at a lower level" has sadly flamed-out about 99% of the time. Believe me, we get excited about it every time.
In my time following the Mean Green, the only one who really came in and produced at an All-conference level was a guy named Marcus Trice from Oklahoma in 2012-2013. He just might become a NT HoF'er. I hope so, not a shoo-in though. We'll see.Brock Berglund laughs at Ruder being the #15-ranked Dual-threat QB out of H.S... my man, we've seen that argument too.
And you really need to drop the Buechele argument here. Buechele started 19 games at UT, throwing for over 4500yds & 30TDs prior to transferring to SMU. Ruder's accomplishment (just 1) is not comparable.LOL Ruder was 4 for 5 for 80 yards and a TD in his only action at North Carolina which came against Georgia Tech. Its not his fault Sam Howell came to NC, and who gives a rats behind what Berglund thinks or believes, its straight from 247 sports, he was the 15th ranked dual threat Qb out of HS, and was at scouting events with Justin Fields all the dang time. I get it that you like and enjoy average qb play from a former baseball player in a bad division, but you clearly don't get it. Aune was only played because Bean was so bad. If Ruder wasnt starting it would probably be Drummond fighting for the starting spot with Aune. Aune is an after thought. If he starts over Ruder its more of a failure on Litrell than anything else. I equate this to starting Torrey over Ataway. I get that Torrey is the veteran player, but he clearly isnt better than Ataway and he clearly wasnt better than Siggers, and thats why he transferred. This is very much a Buechele argument. How do you know Ruder wouldnt have thrown 30 or more TDS if Howell didnt show up? To think Ruder wouldnt dominate conference USA is utterly preposterous. Ruder will bring RPO in a way that the mean green has never had it. He can literally run and pass. He isnt like Bean Or Aune. Where Bean can run, but cant throw, and Aune who can pass but not run. Ruder can do it all. And Buechelle losing his job to Ehlinger is heck of a lot worst than Ruder losing to Howell.
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On 8/12/2021 at 12:32 PM, Coach Andy Mac said:
Former North Texas running back Tre Siggers looks as advertised early on in camp. He has experience and will be a great combo with the electric Ulysses Bentley. Siggers had a great game vs SMU in 2019 and a great relationship with assistant HC/RB coach Ra’Shaad Samples. Sample’s dad, Reginald Samples, is a legendary coach in Texas and coached Tre at Duncanville High School. SMU is really excited about its new transfers on offense like Siggers, tight end Grant Calcaterra and QB Tanner Mordecai.
Lets face the truth here! Littrells undying love for Deandre Torrey is why better running backs are leaving this team. Deandre wasnt the best RB on the team when Siggers was here, and he isnt the best Rb this year either. He has no ability to get YAC after first contact, and outside of bubble screens and a few draws he is far from impressive. If Ataway doesnt start getting some carries, he will be the next to leave.
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29 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:
Some might say not starting the returning starter who finished 3rd in the conference despite only playing in 8 games (really only 5) over a dude who hasn't played meaningful football since his glory TD drive of 2018 would be "beyond stupid".
Again, you might be right. We'll just have to see. Around here, we pull for the Mean Green, not one guy. So again, forgive me for my skepticism... Hoping to hear from you more about other Mean Green happenings.
Just so you are aware the kind of company and people Ruder was attracting when coming out of HS.
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Just now, DeepGreen said:
What about the QB transfer from Kentucky? Any comments on how he is doing in training camp?
Hes a QB from Kentucky that lost his job to a nobody, and looks like he isnt making any impact here either. Gilmore is who I think you are talking about.
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Just now, WanderingEagle said:
Or hope SMUt doesn't tamper with him after he hangs 600 yards and 6 TDs on their ass on Sep 11.
I'm more worried about a team like Texas or Texas Tech luring him away with money. Anyone who believes Aune is better than Ruder truly need to take their meds. Ruder was the 15th ranked dual threat qb coming out of HS. Much like Texas Tech under Kingsbury, Litrells offense is good enough to get QBS and Receivers real looks in the NFL. Darden, Bussey, Guyton, Jeff Wilson Jr, Mason in the CFL. All Ruder has to do is dominate in CUSA and he gets drafted no later than the 4th round like Morgan did a couple years back. Ruder coming to UNT is a win win for us!
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5 minutes ago, MeanGreenTexan said:
Some might say not starting the returning starter who finished 3rd in the conference despite only playing in 8 games (really only 5) over a dude who hasn't played meaningful football since his glory TD drive of 2018 would be "beyond stupid".
Again, you might be right. We'll just have to see. Around here, we pull for the Mean Green, not one guy. So again, forgive me for my skepticism... Hoping to hear from you more about other Mean Green happenings.
You are talking about Conference USA here! Where everyone has crap QB play. I am glad you love that our Qb is one of the least craptastic guys in the conference, but he is also 30 years old. He was never the answer. Aune was a fill in because Bean was a failure. Nothing more and nothing less. If you thought Aune was good last year, JC imagine what Ruder could do in Conference USA! He could set passing records! Conference USA are a bunch of chumps compared to what he has seen in live action. Again, he lost his Job to Sam Howell! You know the Sam Howell who is going to be the first pick in the draft next year? You act as if Ruder lost his job to some trash player in some trash conference. Choosing to start Aune over Ruder, would be like choosing to start Aune over Buechelle. Ruder out of HS was the 15th ranked dual threat QB in the nation. The dude will ball here. We should be thanking God that Ruder chose us over someone else.
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I really like Torrey, but he takes too many snaps away from Ataway. Ataway is a game changer in there, and should be used as such. He can run through you, and around you. Torrey is usually down after contact. I would move him to the slot and use him more as a receiver than an every down back. Its time Ataway gets the bulk of the carries. Litrell relies too much on veteran rbs even if there is more talented guys on the team who are underclassmen. Keep screwing around and guys like Ataway will leave.
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Just now, MeanGreenTexan said:
I bet Amani Gilmore didn't come to NT to back up Aune either... but here we are.
I appreciate your zeal for Mr. Ruder. And you could very well be right, but excuse me for being a little skeptical of our newest poster declaring Ruder the starter over Aune.
Did Gilmore lose his job to a Heisman Trophy candidate the way Ruder did the last two seasons at NC? Its not like Ruder played bad when he was given game time. He lead NC on scoring drives. If Gilmore lost his job to someone like Sam Howell then we can talk. Ruder is not Gilmore, he is a P5 talent who sees a shot to succeed in Denton. Not starting him would be beyond stupid. Aune is ok, but nothing great.
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On 8/14/2021 at 11:15 AM, akriesman said:
I think this years team will definitely be an improvement over last year. Darden is a huge loss. But, there is so much quality depth at WR. I expect Aune to be better. If not, Ruder is waiting in the wings. The D will make more 3rd down stops (Bennett's priority).
It's just a shame the schedule starts out so tough. But, I feel this team pulls off a big upset somewhere against either SMU, UAB, Missouri or Liberty and finishes 5-7, setting the team up for a run in 2022. Seth stays as does Bennett.Aune was never the answer at QB, I know we like him for what he was, but he is nothing but a temporary replacement till we found Masons successor. Ruder is a P5 talent that we landed, he didnt come here to be Aune's backup. Its obvious he is getting the first team reps for a reason. If Aune is the starting Qb going into this season then we are boned.
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On 8/14/2021 at 9:34 PM, WanderingEagle said:
Maybe for NWSU but not afterwards.
On 8/13/2021 at 5:55 PM, WanderingEagle said:I see 9-3 or 3-9 and no inbetween. I know it's a point that has been beaten to death but I really believe if our defense makes marginal improvement, even to the point of just being bad instead of being awful, we can win a handful of close games. Losing Darden is huge but it's a position we're deep at.
NW State - UNT wins along the 55-21 lines and we get a clear picture of who the QB is from here on out.
@ SMU - I would like to think our players are pissed off after last year's embarrassment - at least in my young fan's memory the worst UNT game i've ever watched, but i've only been a student/fan since 2017. Blessed. Anyway I hate them so much and would rather go 1-11 if it meant beating them but give me a 50-30ish loss along the lines of the 2017 game.
UAB - We absolutely have to win this game or @ LA tech and i don't think we win that one. Marshall is good and Liberty may be the best team we face all year. A 1-7 start derails the entire program so they have absolutely got to win one of these. I think UAB is the most realistic at home. Give me a 28-24 UNT win.
@ La Tech - Tough loss that falls apart in the fourth quarter but not a blowout. 41-28 loss.
@ Mizzou - Loss and not close. We don't stand a chance unless we're 4-0.
Marshall - Give me a 40-31 UNT win. Once again a must win after what's very likely a 1-4 or 2-3 start.
Liberty - Likely a big loss but it's at home? I don't know. Obviously they're way better now but Liberty wasn't awful in 2018 and we handled them - again obviously with a much better roster, the sides have flipped, but something tells me we don't get blown out again. I'll say something like a 38-24 loss.
@ Rice - Need a road win. 30-20 UNT.
@ USM - Will Hall is an exciting prospect but I don't see him making the turnaround year one. If the defense has improved enough by this game we take it in an exciting road win. 45-37 UNT.
UTEP - We better not even think about it. 52-21 UNT win.
@ FIU - On paper this should be a win. If we're healthy and FIU continues on their downward spiral the last few years this is a winnable game. I don't know that UNT is capable of four consecutive wins this year but to hell with it. Mean Green win 34-13.
UTSA - I think we lose this game but I also think it's one that we can win. If McCormick doesn't push for 300 rushing yards against us last year it's not a blowout loss, or at least it's not as bad. Entirely depends on the defense but i'll chalk it up as a 48-28 loss.
Or Jace Ruder kickstarts a heisman campaign and we go 11-1. A good defense gets us 8 wins in this schedule. An okay defense gets us 6 and a bad to awful defense gets us 4-5 at best. Defense defense defense. Man I am ready for football.I truly believe Ruder and Adaway are going to go off this year. I believe in my heart of hearts that Ruder will do for us what Buechelle did for SMU. The only thing we need to hope for is that he doesnt do so well a P5 will lure him to transfer.
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On 8/14/2021 at 9:34 PM, WanderingEagle said:
Maybe for NWSU but not afterwards.
Ruder could have played a lot of places, he didnt come to UNT to backup Aune, I promise you that.
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On 8/14/2021 at 9:10 PM, peanuts104 said:
They're probably switching off like they did last off season.
I think Ruder starts over Aune for the following reasons.
1) He was a highly sought after transfer
2) He lost his job to the Heisman Award Candidate in Sam Howell, no shame in losing to that guy.
3) When he did play in games at NC he did exceptionally well.
4) Aune was never the answer, and was a filler till we found a guy to replace Mason
5) Ruder gives us the best chance to win games and put points on the board. He should absolutely dominate this division the way Buechelle did for SMUTU.
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Ruder got 1st snaps?
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LOL Howell will win the Heisman and will go number one overall. He is the best QB in college football.