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uh....if the goal is to be competitive in the belt then you should have stayed in the belt it is not like you are moving to the Big 12 or the SEC or even the ACC.....you are moving to a conference that you thought you should have been in and been competitive in for over a decade.....now suddenly you get there and the idea is to start at the bottom and work your way up? in addition to the things that Jim from 1995 mentioned in his second paragraph you also sat around and watched several more teams move up to D1-A in Texas and while the stadium is nice and the student fee helps they only get the program into the 70s out of 120+ D1-A programs when it comes to budget and most of that money is going to pay for the stadium it is not some huge new windfall of cash to do a bunch of things with and you sat around and watched SMU and UH and TCU continue to put distance between you and them and watched UTSA jump right into the CUSA that you have been longing for for a decade and TxState in their second year of D1-A ball will be in the conference that it took years for north Texas to find a home in and that conference might actually finally be improving while CUSA is adding move ups and losing their top programs and watching other top programs fold rapidly the line to compete keeps moving it is not static and if you think "we are here" well "there" has moved on from "here" state funding is not flowing in like in the old days to keep tuition low so athletics fees did not show up as much on the bottom line of tuition cost, construction cost while cheap are still growing faster than inflation because of the nature of the construction business, the cost of raw materials, safety and enviro regulations and on and on......so schools that built and paid for a large portion of their facilities decades ago are at an advantage even today especially if they can remotely rely on the quality of product on the field VS the amenities in the stands and vijeo (shout out to Jerry) boards...not to mention decades of alumni that moved on long ago

being a member of the TMC does not mean UH has a "medical center" it means they conduct research with other members of the TMC.....get a clue you just ignorant of what you are trying to discuss Rice is a member of the TMC as well and they have no medical school, no nursing school, and no pharmacy program.....they are a member of the TMC because their researchers conduct research with other members of the TMC.....that does not mean their is a Rice Medical Center and being like UT Austin currently would mean that you do not have a medical school because UT Austin does not currently have a medical school the UTMB is a separate institution and their research, endowment, faculty and students are counted separate from the Austin campus and you seem too ignorant to understand this TAMU Galvestion was never ment to be a full university it was meant to have a training component for Merchant Marines and to do ocean research....it has a specific mission and still does and that mission is not to be a full 4 year school and the north Texas system never "delegated" TCOM as a separate school TCOM was on it's own before it was merged into the north Texas system against the wishes of the TCOM faculty and staff so there was no chance to "delegate" if they were on their own or not on their own.....they were on their own because they were started as a completely separate school and then merged with a system that they wanted nothing to do with and still want nothing to do with.....again the fact that you don't know the history of TCOM shows you don't have a clue what is being discussed there is no UH "Medical Center" UH is a member of the TMC here are the other members of the TMC that are educational institutions Baylor College of Medicine Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center Library HCC Coleman College for Health Sciences Michael E. DeBakey High School for Health Professions Prairie View A&M University, College of Nursing Rice University Texas A&M University Health Science Center Houston Texas Southern University College of Pharmacy & Health Sciences Texas Woman's University Institute of Health Sciences - Houston Center The University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston School of Dentistry Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences Harris County Psychiatric Center Medical School School of Health Information Sciences School of Nursing School of Public Health The Brown Foundation Institute of Molecular Medicine for the Prevention of Human Diseases The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston University of Houston College of Pharmacy University of Houston University of Houston Victoria School of Nursing those are not all "Medical Centers" it means their faculty conducts research with other members of the TMC....the fact that north Texas is too stupid or unable to conduct research to their full ability with their own member institution without a full merger shows the incompetence of the north Texas system administration.....all these TMC member schools manage to get it done without merging with each other and without having a large presence in the TMC if north Texas wants to be like TAMU, UH, UT, or Texas Tech what they need to do is have a wholesale change in leadership from the top down, hand the dallas campus off to DCCCD, give up on the law school, start hiring decent faculty for full tiem tenure track positions, learn how to raise a private dollar, stop coming up with stupid plans that fail, raise their enrollment requirements, stop making up useless degree programs, spend a dollar or two on the hard sciences and engineering, and learn how to report accuratetly and honestly to the THECB and the legislature and then stop kidding themselves that it will be a 3-4 year turn around and start actually meeting some of their own publisehd goals for research, faculty hiring, and other relevant metrics instead of failing to meet them and then doing something about that by coming out with a new slogan, some cold hot dogs, and a swag bag

that is cute is the fact that you don't understand that TAMU College Station and TAMU Galveston have never been viewed as seperate universities what is laughable is that you are so stupid you don't know that there is no such thing as UH Medical Center.....idiot UTMB and UT Austin are not looking to merge dumbass.....UT Austin is looking at starting an entirely new medical school located in Austin straight from the source must means traight from your ass because that is where you are making stuff up from because that is where your head is located how exactly are my numbers ambiguious, outdated, and unreliable when they come directly from the THECB, the north Texas website, and from the NACUBO while your come from out of your ass and again the 591 million and the 475 million that UH and Tech used to qualify for NRUF funding (something that north Texas is a decade away from at best) are again directly from the THECB and those are the numbers for the specific universities in question not the system I have no intereste in meeting you because you are clearly a fool and have no clue what you are talking about as in evidence above where you mention UH Medical Center that does not exist and where you try and refute numbers directly from the THECB website and where you believed that TAMU College and Galvestion were "merged" or that UT Austin and UTMB were lookign to merge......all of which make you look like a bigger ass than you have already made yourself look like and Harry does not ban me because I am sure he is as tired as anyone of getting smoke blown up his ass by dolts that don't lnow what they are talking about, but think they do and then seeing that all fall apart later on when reality hits

everything you posted shows your ignorance the 41 million is total research....that is not the same as restricted research you posted no links to back up anything else that you claimed http://www.txhighere...Accountability/ right from this webiste is all the actual info needed Institutional Efficiency and Effectiveness -> Contextual Measures ->Total Endowment ($ millions) -> FY 2011 University of North Texas 003594 $102 Texas Tech University 003644 $475 University of Houston 003652 $591 Angelo State University 003541 $113 University of Houston-Clear Lake 011711 $23 University of Houston-Downtown 012826 $35 University of Houston-Victoria 013231 $9 University of North Texas at Dallas 113594 $0 lets see here.....UH and Texas Tech have over 400 million without counting other system members....there is the listing of all the other UH and TTU System members no UH System member has anywhere close to an 80 million dollar endowment and the total of all the members besides the main campus does not equal 80 million so again you have been proven a fool health related institutions ->north Texas HSC->Institutional Efficiency and Effectiveness->Total Endowment ($ millions)->FY 2011 University of North Texas Health Science Center 000130 $6 here is your endowment "source" http://en.wikipedia...._Science_Center notice the #1 next to the endowment As of June 30, 2011. "U.S. and Canadian Institutions Listed by Fiscal Year 2011 Endowment Market Value and Percentage Change in Endowment Market Value from FY 2010 to FY 2011" (PDF). National Association of College and University Business Officers. January 17, 2012. p. 22. Retrieved February 13, 2012. follow that link 390 University of North Texas TX 110,735 82,513 34.2 that is NOT the endowment for the HCS that is the endowment for the university and yes in the NACUBO study some schools have included the entire system (and it clearly states that) BUT the THECB has the break downs for the individual universities on their webite so you are a fool, wiki is incorrect, and I have provided state audited data research HSCs->Research ->Key Measures->Federal Research Expenditures->FY 2011 Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center 000412 $14,790,382 University of North Texas Health Science Center 000130 $26,236,587 HSCs->Research ->Key Measures->Sponsored (External/Federal) Research Expenditures->FY 2011 Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center 000412 $20,029,293 University of North Texas Health Science Center 000130 $30,400,697 so using federal research or using the higher federal/sponsored research the combined HSC and Denton campus would not equal 45 million because as shown below total research, total federal research, and total federal/sponsored research does NOT equal restricted research http://research.unt.edu/ored/restricted-expenditures-statistics Fiscal Year Restricted Expenditures* 2011 $ 14,661,577 http://research.unt....xtended-summary Expand External Research Funding: UNT received external funding awards in excess of $37.6 million in FY 2009, of which $28.03 million was derived from federal sources. Research expenditures as calculated for the National Science Foundation (NSF) Research Report were $24.12 million, whereas the restricted research expenditures as per the THECB were $11.24 million. These numbers indicate about 60% increase in awards and research expenditures over two years. With this as the backdrop, our future goals are: it works the EXACT SAME for the HSC.....TOTAL RESEARCH IS NOT RESTRICTED RESEARCH and on the above link directly from the north Texas research website where it supports my statement that north Texas Denton did 14 million and change in restricted research in 2011 it also has 2009 listed as 11 million and change.....and it clearly spells out the fact that total external funding is not defined as total research and that total research does not = restricted research so again it is CLEAR from the THECB website that you are wrong about the HSC endowment, you are WRONG about other schools using their system endowments to qualify for NRUF funding, you were WRONG about the value of the UH System component endowments, and you are wrong about what = restricted research and what the totals for restricted research are for north Texas and the unTHSC here is the 2011 total research for each single member of the UT, UH, TxState, and TTU Systems that are either involved in the NRUF funding or that you could claim are being used for research totals University of North Texas 003594 $25,422,991 Texas State University-San Marcos 003615 $33,486,998 Texas Tech University 003644 $142,762,792 University of Houston 003652 $93,756,014 The University of Texas at Arlington 003656 $65,959,123 The University of Texas at El Paso 003661 $69,480,347 The University of Texas at Dallas 009741 $93,230,313 The University of Texas at San Antonio 010115 $56,833,861 Angelo State University 003541 $1,150,150 University of Houston-Clear Lake 011711 $1,746,646 University of Houston-Downtown 012826 $1,478,738 University of Houston-Victoria 013231 $9,870 University of North Texas at Dallas 113594 $35,161 here is the federal research for each of them University of North Texas 003594 $14,500,310 Texas State University-San Marcos 003615 $12,479,395 Texas Tech University 003644 $35,190,905 University of Houston 003652 $52,959,540 The University of Texas at Arlington 003656 $30,658,500 The University of Texas at El Paso 003661 $35,398,689 The University of Texas at Dallas 009741 $33,216,006 The University of Texas at San Antonio 010115 $31,972,285 Angelo State University 003541 $328,152 University of Houston-Clear Lake 011711 $818,279 University of Houston-Downtown 012826 $1,185,734 University of Houston-Victoria 013231 $0 University of North Texas at Dallas 113594 $15,017 so again I have proven you are well over your head, you have no clue what you are talking about, you should go drown yourself, and after that try and come back to life with a clue because I have just supported every claim I made directly from the THECB or from north Texas websites the merger of the HCS and Denton campus would not equal 45 million in restricted research, and the endowment would not equal more than 130 million and no school uses other system school endowment or research dollars to qualify for NRUF funding period

1. that is total research for the unTHCS not restricted research total federal research (not all federal research = restricted research) was 30 million in 2011 so that combined with the 14 million from the Denton campus would be short of 45 million even if 100% of the federal sponsored research was restricted (competitively awarded) research and I am sure 100% of it would not be.....so I am correct and you are a moron 2. no university in Texas counts their branch campuses in their endowment totals or in their research totals when it comes to reporting to the THECB and the state specifically breaks out the dollars for each university when NRUF funding requirements are counted......TAMU Galveston is not considered a branch campus and never has been it is considered a part of TAMU College Station and their students are treated just like College station students including getting game tickets and the like UH does not count the research at any of their campuses with the main campus nor their endowments when it comes to NRUF funding requirements and neither does Texas Tech or the members of the UT System you are worng and an idiot 3. the THECB website has the UH main campus with 591 million for an endowment, UHD at 35, UHCL at 23 and UHV at 9 I can see where someone from north Texas would consider 23, 35, and 9 million heavy on endowments, but none of them (and even all of them combined) do not equal to 80 million much less does any one of them alone have 80 million and UH main campus still has 591 on their own which is well above the NRUF requirement of 400 million you are a complete fool and you have no clue what you are talking about 4. the endowmwnt for the unTHSC is 6 million.....once again you do your research on wiki where idiots and imbeciles "do dey researchin'" so they can make an ass of themselves when the real facts come out if you had half a brain you would look at the link that WIKI has for the unTHSC endowment and you would see that it leads to the NACUBO annual endowment study and the number that is reported for the HSC is actually the paultry endowment for the Denton campus 5. even if the HSC did have a 110 million dollar endowment the requirement is 400 million and being half way there would not put you "in the thick" of anything....other than making yourself look thicker than you already have by being so stupid and ignorant of the actual facts and reality and again the HSC endowment is 6 million and that comes directly from the THECB website where 100% of the endowments for each university and HSC campus in Texas is correctly reported.....VS the wiki realm of idiots and dolts such as yourself the THECB only counts the campus that gets the NRUF funding or that is the "emerging research" university of that system when it comes to endowment and restricted research numbers....UH, Texas Tech, TxState, and none of the UT System schools use combined numbers to meet those metrics....they do not use "branch campuses" or HSC numbers to meet those metrics....they use the numbers for the individual campus period and anyone that believes otherwise is just a fool...like you north Texas even with the HSC counted would not be at 45 million in restricted research because the main campus does only 14 million in restricted research and the HSC does somewhere less than 30 million (the THECB websire does not break out restricted research, but their NRUF report had the numbers for the emerging research campuses and the HSC is only doing 30 million in TOTAL federal research) and state, private, and university funded research does not count as restricted research and 100% of federal research is not restricted research and the combined endowments of the Denton campus and the HSC would be 120 million to 130 million max get a clue and stop making things up and making a fool of yourself

the merger of the health science center would not meet the restricted research dollar requirements at the present levels and the merger would do little to help either school grow their restricted research faster VS what they can presently do now if they wanted to there is nothing blocking those schools from working together now and every university system in Texas has research conducted between different member institutions and many have research conducted with non-member schools both public and private and in state and out of state the restricted research total would increase with the merger, but it would still not equal 45 million and there is no guarantee that the legislature would allow the combined schools to count that research towards the 45 million needed and the merger would only increase the endowment by a few million so that would mean next to nothing when the goal is still 275+ million away more than likely if the merger did happen the UT, UH, and TxState Systems would all step in and ask to not allow combined numbers to count and I am pretty positive the Texas Legislature would agree to that since the goal of the entire NRUF funding program is to actually increase research not to have universities figure out a way to game the system while doing little if any additional research the UT System could have easily merged UTSA and the UTHSC-SA and moved the combination very close to meeting the requirements for NRUF funding and they opted not to and if they merged UTA or UTD with UT Southwestern the combination would also easily qualify and they did not want to pit those two schools against each other or to have to choose a winner or a loser or to lower the prestige of UTSW UH and TxState have no medical schools to merge with (though I suppose UH could talk to Baylor COM since Rice and Baylor COM are no longer talking about merging and Baylor COM does get some state funding for medical student training) Texas Tech would actually probably be the only one that would not have a huge issue since they have two medical schools they could merge and since they already qualify for NRUF funding on their own like UH does, but I am sure they would step in to try and prevent it as well since it would cut into the funding they would get each year and since they actually earned it as a university VS taking the easy way out and trying to merge with the medicla school the fact that north Texas dropped the idea so suddenly after publically saying they were looking at it and they did not even do the study tells me that the legislatures told them they would either not be allowed to count merged numbers or there would be an increase in metrics needed for schools that had a medical school combined with a university and I am sure they were also told that The State of Texas was not going to change formual funding for medical schools on account of a single system merging their HCS to a university so lee the idiot had to give up on yet another stupid idea before it even got off the ground...he needs to concentrate on actually running a university and elevating it instead of trying to take stupid short cut after stupid short cut and "meeting needs" that never existed and while the north Texas business school is not close to many of the numerous ranked programs in Texas it still enrolls a large number of students and they did get a large donation recently (which is more than most other programs can say)

I was never a student at SMU and I took 3 tech writing courses at north Texas while sitting in the crappy lab with not enough space and the conputer monitors that are placed in desk that makes them tilt upwards and listening to organ music from across the hall and very few of the total students at the university bothered to vote at all and the state gets involved because it is the state that ultimately backs tuition revenue bonds

some teams get better over the length of the season and some teams wear down and break down over the lenght of the season....the next couple of games will say where this team is some teams can make better use of an extended break to rest up and heal while some teams use that extended break to get rusty and out of rhythm I don't see counting on the implementation of "new packages" because one of your better players went down 8 games into the season as being something to bank on....it is not like this is a team filled with 4 and 5 star players chomping at the bit to get on the field because another 4 or 5 star starter went down and whe you are 3-5 and just came off a horrible game I am not sure that is the time for "something new" based on losing one of your better players to injury why exactly do you expect to beat Rice and UTEP.....the fact that Rice stopmed north Texas in 2008 and beat north Texas in 2010 as well? and while UTEP is not that good they have had about double the total number of wins over the last decade against better competition overall and in a much better conference

why because he light it up in high school a couple of years ago and then could not make the cut at a D1-A school or a JuCo? I am not saying he might not be better I am just questioning the idea that you have a clue how good he is compared to anyone

can this be moved to the SMU forum please along with the thread about SMU actually bothering to win a game and have a winnign record VS "winning!" in attendance smack talk even though none of the "participants" in that "contest" have any room to talk smack to anyone about anything related to attendance

the THECB was not who made the student fee for the stadium funding end when the bonds are paid off that was the actual legislature.....the THECB is not a legislative body and they are not legislators and in fact they are pretty much powerless.....the fact that they voted this union project down really means nothing other than they are advising the state legislature that they think it is a bad idea....if the legislature approves it then it is will be done it is the same with the law school there are plenty of THECB studies and opinions that say that Texas does not need another law school anywhere in the state and especially in dallas, but those were ignored by the legislature to a degree and the stupid idea of a failed law school has stunk up the air ever since then even though the legislature has only funded it one time in 4 sessions for 5 million dolllars and has refused to fund it to actually open since then at least 2 times it is also the same with the failed south dallas campus....the THECB specifically said that was not a place that needed a 4 year university and that a 4 year university would fail there....the THECB also had a 3500 FTE requirement for a system center to become a free standing university and that was twice reduced (against the advice and wishes of the THECB) to 2500 FTEs and then to 1000 FTEs.....and the THECB even reprimaneded north Texas for false counting of students towards that FTE requirement and while the application to become a free standing university was denied based on the findings of the THECB about the FTE count at the dallas campus the legislature could have overridden that as well if they wanted to, but by then Texas was hurting for higher ed cash and north Texas had proven they were not up to the task of making that university come anywhere close to being a success much less a non-failure the members of the THECB are state employees with very little actual authority and the legislature can override any opinions or ideas they have and they often do to the detriment of higher education in Texas streets are not under the auspices of a university or the THECB......parking garages are not funded for any university by The State of Texas and even if the THECB stated a parking garage was not a good idea (or even voted it down) the UT System BOR could still apporve that project and since tuition revenue bonds would not be used for a parking structure I am not sure the legislature would even vote on it as well the fight was a system decision not a THECB or a legislature decision and it was made by the chancellor of the UT System who came up through the UTHSC-SA and is not an "Austin" guy lee the idiot was actually hired because of his "money" connections to the dallas donors and he was suppose to be a great fund raiser for north Texas.....he has massively failed at that topped of with the hiring of his buddy and "major DFW fund raiser" bill lively for a "one to three year period" that left north Texas after only 9 months with nothing to show for his time here (other than pay stubs) to take a job at national geographic lee the idiot did have legislative connections when royce "the fool" west was the chairman of the Texas Senate Higher Education Committee....lee the idiot was hand picked by royce the fool not because of what lee the idiot could get done for north Texas, but because lee the idiot was a puppet for royce the fool to move the resources and center of focus of north Texas from Denton to dallas.....so not only was lee the idiot noth hired because of his connections to get things done for north Texas (Denton) he was hired because he would sit back and let royce the fool use north Texas resources to make failed economic development waste in dallas proper to the detriment of the Denton campus I seriously doubt if anyone is concerned about the "revenue" from a burger bar or a game room coming into Denton and if the revenue was going to be so large that anyone was concerened about it then the union would have been voted as approved because it would be showing itself as a revenue positive (or close to positive) expenditure of money VS another large fee to students over the ong haul and if you were implying the business building was a revenue generator instead of the union that is not the case as well because business programs are expensive to run and bring in little grant funding (although they do sometimes at some well run universities bring in large donations) and Texas Tech had trouble getting a new business building approved just like north Texas did, but it had to do with the formula funding for use of classroom space at each university not any type of "power" issue......Texas Tech responded by raising 70 million private dollars and going ahead with the project anyway while north Texas responded by waiting around several years until enrollment and facilities utilization reached the point that new class room space funding was approved and it went to a business building.....the differences in approach is why some schools in Texas are better at getting things done VS others the SGA ia a nobody there is nothing they can do to "get involved" and get it approved the THECB was surely aware of the SGA position on the student union when they made a recomendation to the legislature to not allow for the issue of tuition revenue bonds to fund construction and TAMU has 52,000 students whicj is over 16,000 more than north Texas so using them as a comparison for student union spending is not really an equal comparison by any stretch of the imagination and I seriously doubt that anyone at UT, TAMU, or any other school in the state cares what north Texas does with a student union the THECB voted this down because north Texas is already stretched thin as a system with bonds.....they are stretched thin because of Apogee, a "calculated gamble" to spend more money than the legislature and formula infrastructure funding allowed for a building in south dallas using "system" funds (in anticipation of enrollment growth that has actually been a decline in enrollment), because of millions being spent to purchase (against the recommendation of the THECB) the UCD building.....the renovations of that building for system offices and for a law school that has not been approved or funded to open yet and for the pruchase (against the recommendation of the THECB) of a residential building next to the UCD that has failed to live up to revenue and occupancy projections even after being opened up to non-students the reason north Texas gets no respect from the THECB and generally from the legislature is because they have been a very poorly run university system that has often ignored the recommendations of the THECB and taken on projects that end up costing a lot of state resources and failing to deliver anything for the expenditure of those resources and because they fail to deal witht he THECB in an open and honest manner and the examples are all over the place the south dallas system center was not needed....even more so it never should have been a free standing university.....even after the standards for becoming a free standing university were reduced that campus still failed for years to meet the requirements....north Texas tried to double count Denton and dallas students and they were called out for it.....they have recently tried to count DCCCD students taking DCCCD classes at the dallas campus (because of available space) as dallas camus students (that was shot down) the law school was never needed and it has been a failure the purchase of the UCD building has been a failure and will probably run UTA out of the UCD for good and may well force TAMU-C to seek other facilities or to stop offering classes in dallas which would stick the north Texas system with a large building with a lot of unused space...and even more unused space after the renovations of upper floors are completed and tons of unused space if the law school is not approved yet again in 2013 (and more than likely it will not be) the purchase on the residential building next tot he UCD was another failed idea and an expense that never should have been taken on the inability of the north Texas system to get a firm committment by the city of dallas for the renovation to the exterior of the old muny building and for partial interior renovations of that building for the law school (that was not needed in the first place) was yet another failure of leadership the ugly national headlines grabbing firing of 100% of the faculty at the dallas campus....yet another embarrassing failure of leadership and proof that the system has no business expanding and taking on projects they are not ready to handle these and others are the reasons the THECB does not just rubber stamp 100+ million dollar projects for a system that has time and again ignored the wishes of the THECB and taken on projects that were smaller in dollars and ended up failing to execute them the only "good news" is that the THECB has no real authority their "vote" is really only a recommendation to the legislature about how they should vote on the projects and if the legislature ignores that recommendation and votes to allow the project then it will go ahead

.025 = 2.5% dumbass PS learn how to use the quote function spaz

the UH Law School has 950 students and UH as of this year has over 40,000 students even back when they had 38K students the law school represents .025 of their enrollment so the idea that .025 of their graduates significantly bumps the numbers for the other 99.975 of their students is pretty laughable but hey when you have nothing clutching for straws is all you can go with

the chart is from US Census Data so it would have been collected legally and UH is the school that is being discussed and again the claim was made (and never supported) that north Texas students have higher starting salaries VS UH and then when I ask for proof of that others chimed in and said it was "common knowledge" and "well known" and now that it has been proven not factual the excuses are coming out left and right about comparing degree programs and how north Texas is set up to give out more poverty degrees than other schools and in relation to Rice the excuse is that they are only "book smart"......even though in several reports Rice students (book smart or not) are still commanding a higher salary VS north Texas as well if one wants to say it is common knowledge that a university has higher starting salaries VS another (north Texas VS UH) they should support that and if one wants to make book smart claims when discussing Rice they should be prepared for that to fall apart when it is shown in other surveys that "book smart" is still commanding aw higher starting salary

7K per year adds up pretty quick and not all TCU students pay full price either http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/texas-christian-university-3636 Paying for School At Texas Christian University, 43.5 percent of full-time undergraduates receive some kind of need-based financial aid and the average need-based scholarship or grant award is $16,963. so that greatly reduces the cost for many of their students that will then make more money upon graduation.....which means they will have the ability to make contributions back to their university to help future students have the same type of opportunity they had.....which is why TCU has 10X the endowment that north Texas has

but yet the claim was still made that north Texas grads make more than UH grads upon graduation and now that the claim has been proven false I guess it is back to excuse making and UH has a better ranked education program, hotel restaurant program, business program and on and on according to US News and other sources as well so UH grads from those programs should make more when they graduate as well.....and one of the links I provided was a comparison of MBA grads and UH was still ahead there as well now I guess you are saying that UH offers more relevant and sought after degrees and that is the reason the claim about starting pay was proven false

actually I back mine up all the time then idiots like you start crying and run off like a roach when the light comes on http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-Salaries_for_Colleges_by_Region-sort.html wall street journal UH Starting median....mid career median...... $46,000.00 $79,900.00 north Texas not even considered http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report-2013/full-list-of-schools Rice#54 $53,200 $98,900 UH #257 $45,400 $80,600 TCU #295 $45,400 $79,200 UTA#326 $46,400 $77,900 UTD#396 $47,100 $75,000 Texas Lutheran#435 $37,100 $73,000 TAMUCC #522 $40,900 $70,600 UTEP#578 $42,000 $68,900 TAMUK#584 $48,400 $68,800 TWU#584 $39,000 $68,800 north Texas#589 $39,400 $68,600 So UH was much higher and even TWU and some of the non-College Station TAMU campuses were better later in their career....nice showing there for north Texas US census 2010 http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2011/06/aggies_more_financially_succes.php another great showing haha student reviews http://www.studentsreview.com/TX/UH.html UH $61,716 $131,181 north Texas $46,268 $85,000 MBAs only http://www.docstoc.com/docs/29090306/Average-salaries-of-Top-B-schools UH 46,900 80,700 north Texas 41,700 72,500 behind TxState and SFA at the 10 year point.....way to prove yourself in the market place! http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report-2013/central-south-schools UH $45,400 $80,600 north Texas $39,400 $68,600 behing ACU, TWU, SFA, TAMUCC, UTEP, TAMUK, TLU, LeTourneau, SHSU and on and on I would imagine this will really test your neat collection of GIFs and MEMS that you break out when all else (especially logic or reality) has failed you too bad employeers don't pay based in GIFs and MEMS or north Texas would beat Harvard

so no you are not going to back it up haha because the reality is pretty much every survey out there says that UH grads and pretty much every major public and private school's graduates make more than north Texas grads out of school

Stephen F. Austin is not a member of the Texas state System they are an independent university and none of the other schools that are in the Texas State System have any interest in changing their name

when dealing with higher education especially one should endeavor to deal in reality not hype or untruths and when something is being claimed to be happening when it has already been canceled before the idea was even studied there is really no positive momentum to gain from stating that it will still be happening or overstating the results of it

do you have anything to actually support either of these claims in relation to UH or Rice because I am quite certain that Rice graduates get employed at a very high % after graduation and I have never seen anything that has north Texas graduates making more than UH graduates right out of school and in fact everything I have seen says the exact opposite and Rice would have even higher starting salaries you should at least try and back these claims up or support them

if The State of Texas was to look at it like that it would probably not change much of anything in relation to other states which is what precipitated all of this when Texas talks about a "tier 1" university they are meaning a member of the AAU and when they count AAU members (and when the AAU admits members) they admit single universities not systems the UC System is where all of the California AAU members reside, but they are admitted individually and not all members of the UC System are AAU members and in New York SUNY-Buffalo and SUNY-Stoney Brook are AAU members, but the total number of SUNY universities are not and several NY private universities are members of the AAU as well even after Syracuse getting the boot also if they counted systems then NU never would have gotten the boot because their medical school (that is separate from the university) would have allowed them to do enough total research and to meet other metrics to remain a member most likely but really the whole "no medical school" was a specious argument at best for NU because while many AAU members have medical schools many also do not like Rice, UT Austin, and TAMU College Station, and several members of the UC System that are AAU members do not have medical schools as well and all those schools do significantly more research and meet other criteria that NU was not meeting the AAU membership is about the experience that a student will have at a university and the research conducted by a body of faculty at a particular school and that does not translate through most systems because students will never visit the other schools in a system most likely and while many systems have things in place to facilitate research across system members that does not always mean it is possible nor does it represent what an individual university is producing and delivering in terms of research or student experience

this is incorrect even if 100% of the north Texas HSC federal research counted as restricted research when combined with the restricted research numbers for the Denton campus it totals about 40.5 million so even if you are trying to say that NRUF funding is "tier 1" that would still be 4.5 million short of the amounted needed for NRUF funding.....plus you would still need to meet 3 more of the 6 total other criteria since north Texas only meets one of them now and if you are meaning the non-tier 1 that UH is claiming based on a not a ranking classification by the Carnegie Foundation for research/very high that threshold is either 100 or 150 million (I believe 150 million) and the combined Denton campus and HSC would only be at just under 67 million in total research besides the merging of the two institutions has been shelved without even conducting a study on it most likely because The State of Texas let lee the idiot jackson know that combining institutions like that was not going to be allowed to count for NRUF funding and also I am sure they let him know they were not going to change the funding formulas for universities VS HSCs as well

do you have anything at all to back this up?

the person that made the now deleted comments does not have kids