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23 hours ago, JT Hammons said:
We are already struggling to compete in this conference as it is even with SMU leaving. I am not sure that heading west would be a good move. I do agree with you that we will probably lose some teams to ACC. The key seems to be Florida State and what they do. After being undefeated and not going to playoffs the writing is on the wall.
There will continue to be jockeying between the AAC/MWC/PAC to create a "best of the rest" conference that gets the conference champion access to the playoff.
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13 hours ago, rcade said:
The incentive for the ACC to work out a deal is to avoid the risk of losing in court and having the grant of rights ruled unenforceable, letting any school leave with no compensation to the conference.
The links above explained how both sides take a huge risk letting these cases reach a court judgment.
Good luck with the legal argument that the GoR, willingly and lawfully agreed to by every ACC member institution, is unenforceable. The legal precedent/argument is clearly on the side of the ACC. They know it. FSU knows. Every other ACC institution knows it as well.
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7 hours ago, Meangreen Fight said:
You should know money talks and BS walks. What happens if ESPN call the lower value ACC team’s bluff and tell you that letting FSU go will make them happy? You don’t want to piss off the ultimate sugar daddy.
ESPN- Tell you what ACC irrelevants and your cabin boy SMU; you can either divide up your portion of the remainder of the promised revenue now and go away or the next contract we offer your school will be cents on the dollar. Mind you in the meantime until your contract run out we are going to put as many of your games on at bad time slots and behind a paywall and show your real independent value without us.
Rememberthe money is coming from the distributors and advertising on the games. Hurting and restricting FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Miami, and North Carolina is bad for viewership numbers.
Ah yes nothing like ESPN trying to actively de-value its own property (ACC) so that they can let FSU walk over to FOX/Big 10, a direct competitor. ESPN is locked into a sweetheart deal with the ACC through 2036. They have absolutely zero incentive to de-stabilize the league and risk losing valuable properties to their competition.
Brilliant stuff champ!
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8 minutes ago, greenminer said:
Interest/desire is too strong to care about Congress. Lots of "let's get it done and we will figure this out later" movement going on.
We'll find out, one way or the other.Wrong again. Congress is absolutely going to get involved here. Grandstanding and poking their noses where it doesn't belong is what Congress does best.
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43 minutes ago, NT80 said:
Exactly. He didn't go to Clemson when his dad was there.
Clemson was never an option for him. unless he wanted to walk on.
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49 minutes ago, greenminer said:
What have you read that makes you believe this?
I'm talking about a complete split. The B10/SEC will no longer share a playoff/system with the rest of us.
Even with some truth, I think that will be short term. A complete split, with zero playoff involvement for the rest of us, is on the horizon.Your scenario will be too exclusionary and would result in the mother of all antitrust lawsuits. Big 10 and SEC will throw the Big 12/ACC a bone and keep them in the loop to avoid Congress getting involved.
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37 minutes ago, NT80 said:
No, it's an all-inclusive exit fee. They could just leave now without media rights, but the lawsuit is about all of it.
Sorry, your best teams in your new conference will soon be leaving, lol!
Welcome to the AAC 2.0
and irrespective of if/when FSU can get out the obvious moves are to add SDSU, USF, and Tulane. Is it the SEC or the Big 10? Nope. Is it the AAC? Not even close.
Being in a conference with Stanford/CAL/Louisville/GA Tech/Miami/Duke/WF/NC State/PITT/BC/Syracuse is light years better than the AAC even if there are a couple defections along the way.
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33 minutes ago, NT80 said:
No, it's an all-inclusive exit fee. They could just leave now without media rights, but the lawsuit is about all of it.
Sorry, your best teams in your new conference will soon be leaving, lol!
Welcome to the AAC 2.0
Your lack of understanding of the GoR and the ACC's motivations for enforcing it are staggering.
There is ZERO incentive for the ACC to cooperate with FSU and allow them to exit for simply a monetary fee. They have every legal and fiscal reason to fight them tooth and nail (which they will do and are doing) b/c once the precedent is set you could see Clemson and UNC follow suit.
FSU will still be an ACC member in a decade. Book it.
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7 minutes ago, greenminer said:
The P5/G5 talk should start to fizzle as more and more people realize this is B10/SEC...then everyone else.
There will be a split. SMU put there best foot forward and got a step closer than us, but in the end it won't matter.
What is interesting to me is how the CFB world will treat them knowing what they sacrificed to be in this new position.There will absolutely be a Power 2. There is no question on that. The Big 12/ACC will be a rung below but will still have access to the playoff and the ability to schedule Big 10/SEC schools in non-conference.
The entirety of the G5 is going to be playing in a separate league in the next 5-10 years.
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2 hours ago, NT80 said:
"The number likely will land somewhere near the middle of that $150 million floor and that $572 ceiling. Then Florida State will pay. And while neither the Big Ten nor the SEC have expressed any public interest in the Seminoles, it seems highly likely one or both leagues would then try to scoop up Florida State as well as the other desirable properties that choose to buy their way out once Florida State breaks the seal.
Given the seeming inevitability of a negotiation, it almost doesn’t matter if the Big Ten or SEC are interested now. If several potentially additive programs buy their way into free agency at once, the competitiveness of the true Power 2 could take over. The Big Ten would see an opportunity to plant its flag in the South. The SEC might feel a need to defend its borders or expand its footprint."
LOL. That's just the monetary piece to exit the conference. The ACC would still own the rights to FSU's home games for the next 13 years. There's nothing they can do about that.
This won't be resolved until the early 2030's (at the earliest). Signed contracts have consequences. Sorry FSU.
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On 2/17/2024 at 10:04 AM, UNTLifer said:
Scanning back through this thread made for a good chuckle. This smu poster thinking they are in the same academic level as Duke, Stanford, etc. is hilarious.
SMU is absolutely in the same peer group as the majority of the ACC (FSU, NC State, Clemson, VA Tech, GA Tech, WF, Miami, Syracuse, PITT, etc.)
Stanford and CAL are two of the top 10-15 schools in the nation. Being associated with them (as well as Duke/UNC/Notre Dame/UVA) will only help SMU. Rising tide raises all boats.
The AAC is a wild bag of academic institutions ranging from elite (Rice) to atrocious (Memphis). Every ACC school except Louisville is a USNWR Top 80 institution, including SMU.
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54 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:
I'll need to see the breakdown of SMU fans vs the others in attendance. Let's go back to 2022 TCU at SMU for a prediction.
lol. Likewise please send pics of UNT home games against FAU, Charlotte, Rice, Tulsa, Temple, and the rest of the AAC island of misfit toys.
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48 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:
Both about as equally irrelevant IMO. Dallas is a city of flaky sports fans. Unless you're winning, nobody cares (except for the Cowboys). Just the way it's been for as long as I've been alive.
Guess we'll find out over the next couple of years when FSU, Clemson, OU, UNC, BYU, TCU, and Notre Dame come to Ford.
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9 hours ago, NT80 said:
$mut is still irrelevant to Dallas, no matter how much fake news space the DMN gives them!
If SMU is irrelevant what is UNT?
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On 2/10/2024 at 8:48 PM, rcade said:
SMU made the cut between the G5 and P5. Now it's the P4 and the ACC is in an existential crisis to avoid it becoming the P3. Good luck buying your way out of that.
The ACC grant of rights runs through 2036 with a sweetheart deal for Disney/ESPN. There is a reason for all of FSU's bloviating that they are still in the ACC with virtually zero chance of going anywhere for the next decade.
Could the ACC lose FSU, UNC, Clemson to the Big 10/SEC? Sure. That's possible. That's why expansion now was the only play. Just like the Big 12 when everyone left them for dead. The ACC now has enough schools/programs that will keep them above the required 14 to secure the GoR through its termination in 2036.
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Good game (and a really strong contingent of UNT fans at Moody).
I don't know that SMU is "good". I think we're wildly inconsistent and have really struggled late in games. Double digit halftime lead at Memphis that ended up as a loss. Losses to Wisconsin, Arizona State, and Dayton where we had the lead late in the second half. SMU has really struggled closing out games and finding consistent scoring outside of Zurich Phelps.
Before the season I was hoping for 20 wins and the NIT. I think that's still attainable but we'll see.
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17 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
You all have options other than "dead"?
Figured a dead one would be considered a fairly high end escort for Denton 🙂
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19 hours ago, TheColonyEagle said:
The logical answer is eventually, yes. The delusional answer is no....a.....West Virginia or Boston College or..........wait for it......SMU 😂 will be on the same level as Ohio State and Texas. Not gonna happen.
Just split up already. I'm going to say that the SMUs and North Texas's of the world will be right back in the same level of college football in less than five years. The question will be what will happen to Texas Tech, TCU, etc.....
They will not be in the group with Alabama, Michigan, OU, USC, etc.
Big time college football is about to be 40 teams
It isn't about being on the same level as Ohio State and Texas. For programs like WVU, SMU, and BC its about making the cut. The next step is a break away from the G5. The expanded playoff will likely be 8 teams from Big 10/SEC and four from the Big 12/ACC.
The Big 12 and ACC will be a step below the Big 10/SEC but won't be left for dead like the G5 will inevitably be here in the next decade.
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57 minutes ago, UNTLifer said:
They are also a more expensive option for college kids. Get a dedicated train for the game and make the train ride a party. Could you all send a couple of hookers?
If you can't afford the Uber do you really want the hooker that fits into that budget?
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9 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
Okay. They are college students. They should be able to navigate the intricacies of DART.
They have these things called Uber and LYFT now.
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9 hours ago, UNTLifer said:
Don’t all those streams run through the ACC office?
Yes (for the most part). Regardless the revenue will be greater despite getting nothing from the media deal than what SMU was slated to receive in the American.
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19 minutes ago, wardly said:
It will probably come sooner than later. It has been speculated that $100 million is the NIL buy in, which will push out a number of p5 programs as well as all the G5's. When this happens there will be a realignment of most if not all conferences. It could be $100 million NIL requirement for the Super Programs and pulling a number out of the hat $35 million for the next tier, and all others dropped to 1AA or another level in between.
I agree in principle although I think its going to take 5-7 years before being fully implemented. Who knows what will happen in the interim but you can bet there will be some lawyers gobbling up a lot of billable hours b/c the mother of all antitrust lawsuits will likely be coming down the pike.
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1 hour ago, cousin oliver said:
You are speculating on these points as well. Don't call out someone for doing the same thing you are doing.
Speculation as to what? The ACC's motivations for expansion?
Its pretty simple. The ACC saw what happened to the PAC-12 and decided to be proactive. There are three schools that are largely linked with potentially leaving the ACC (FSU, UNC, Clemson). If the ACC membership falls below 15 schools ESPN has the right to renegotiate the existing media rights deal which could ultimately lead to the GOR being negated and the ACC goes the way of the PAC-12. The additions of Stanford/CAL/SMU provide additional security "if" there are defections (again unlikely until 2033-2034 at the earliest).
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Big 12 Pursuing Duke
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