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Everyone is so high on Korey Washington already because of his 4.4 speed. Yeah, thats fast. But how about his arm strength and accuracy. Meager is going to be the man and for some reason it seems like a lot of yall are looking him over for some reason. Lets not forget that Meager has speed too. I think its around a 4.6 or 4.7 Meager has been in the system a year now, which is not a lot of time but its more than others. His has the arm and legs to get it done for us.
IMO, Dan Meager will be the Mean Green starting QB for the entire season and lets all just hope he stays healthy.
As you said, he's a redshirt frosh and knows Dickey's system. Last time we had a similar scenario as this, we won a bowl game against the CUSA football champion at the end of that season.
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Still not great... but its too late. Econ test tomorrow.
Love that photo! Will make some think Fouts Field is not that bad, eh?
(It's just the track inside a football stadium that has always been the main culprit).
As it got darker, some of those empty seats seen in this photo became filled with fans.
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Shameless bump....
What? No SBC visitors thus far?
Question: Did NT sell over 4,000 season tickets last year? Or was it 5,000?
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I don't have any idea what we have sold in recent years, but its not close to where it should be. When we have a big crowd at Fouts Field its always Game Day walk-up sales. I'm sure one of our NT posters can post what we sold last year.
<>&<> NT's record sale of football season tickets? In 1994 we sold around 11,000 season tickets but one of our wealthy alums from Thailand purchased 5,000 of those which were distributed to kids, charities, etc, etc, etc,.
Does a new NCAA D1-A attendance by-law say you can now count all sold tickets in your attendance whether those tickets are used or not?
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Hey,
Just wanted to let you guys know the 2005 SouthernCollegeSports.com Sun Belt preview is up. It includes the projected standings, team previews, can't miss games, and the all-conference team. Thanks!
Jonathan, Editor
http://SouthernCollegeSports.com
jonathan@southerncollegesports.com
Interesting.............very interesting.
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Just one question----- with far inferior facilities than we have today, lesser paid coaches, a smaller student body, a lesser populated region, and nowhere near the caliber athlete NT now has--why were we competitive against the so-called "Big Boys" then, but witness an embarrassing lack of competitivenes as we did at UT, BU, CU,and the New Orleans Bowl last year? If you can answer that one question it will be the first time I have ever been given a straightforth answer. Personally I have never witnessed a stadium or facilities win a FB game. It takes prepared, motivated players to do that. 0- 92 in two years at UT would seem to indicate we have neither. It's called PRIDE in your performance and leaving it all on the field and never quitting no matter what the score. That is all anyone can ask of any team. I have not witnessed that kind of heart from this team in OOC.
MANIFESTO #77: Sleeping disorder? Take Sominex or try to get thru this post! LOL!
Jim, I understand what you are saying but I'll add a few thoughts on some of what you are talking about and some of it I don't have any answers.
IMO, we are talking about a completely different era when we saw some of Hayden Fry's teams get our school some very nice national recognition with several high profile wins. I remember hearing Coach Fry at some gathering proudly beaming how NORTH TEXAS had been the talk of the NCAA Winter Convention following the season that we beat the mighty Volunteers of the University of Tennessee. We had not seen better times in Denton as far as Mean Green football was concerned at that point in time of our history.
Yet, the Tennessee Vols were not a ranked team when we beat them. Bill Battle's job was on the line before the Mean Green laid the surprise of his life on him and his team on October 25, 1975.
IMO, there was a day when NT's facilities (as behind the times as they've been thru the decades) were really not so far behind what the SWC schools were doing "facility-wise" back in the 1970's. The main thing the SWC'ers had that we did not were real bonafide college football stadiums and Astro-Turf on each of their fields. NT could not afford artificial turf in that day or maybe our NT administration just didn't want to spend the money for it. Of course, Coach Fry thought using Texas Stadium made up for much when it came to NT's facilties. How many NT recruits back then saw Texas Stadium first and Fouts Field last on their visits?
A CHANGING OF THE WINDS: Anyway, there was no dramatic arms race among Texas D1-A schools on facilities back then as there is today and has been the last 10 years. When that arms race began back in the 1990's, that is when I believe many of us who support NT were seeing our school was (bascially) being left behind at the train station. The dramatic separation between the "haves" and the "have nots" began with athletic facility construction all over the Southwest---except at NORTH TEXAS. The Dallas Morning News a few years ago did a full length feature article outlining what each Texas D1-A school were spending on athletic venues (mostly football-related) and NT hardly registered as a blip on the radar screen in athletic facility expenditures. Many of us who read that DMN article were not only embarrassed for our school, but for ourselves--the NT students, fans and alums. Even worse when that DMN article came out, NT had no solid future plans to do much of anything except paint Fouts Field for the umpteenth time. (whoopy)
I think it would be safe to say if NT did not have plans to build a new football stadum at Eagle Point (which TxDOT is telling us we'd better since they need Fouts's frontage property) that we would even get left further behind and even in the Sun Belt Conference because other schools (Troy U) have modernized their "track-less" stadiums or have plans to join the rest of NCAA D1-A's arm race. Even Coach Howard Schnellenberger's FAU has raised millions toward a new domed stadium. The arms race of D1-A facility construction, Jim, is the difference today because many of our Texas HS products already play in some nice HS facilities, starting real close to our campus with the Denton ISD and their fabulous football stadium.
TCU recruited from right out of our back yard a pretty darn good defensive lineman from McKinney during last Winter's recruiting. At the last minute and after the kid had supposedly had a pretty good visit at our campus he opted for TCU. Anyone else think that TCU's complete package of football related venues with their Grand Old Lady, Amon Carter Stadium, as the icing on the cake might have been the difference in him wearing purple/white over green/white? NT at present cannot match TCU's icing on the cake, but we know that is going to change while we wait for our campus fundraisers to hit pay dirt with a Big Donor and word has it that they are out there hustling some pretty impressive names BUT----ALL WE NEED IS ONE. From Day One when we knew we had to eventually abandon Fouts Field we all knew we would need a Big Donor and that has not and will not change.
With today's Texas HS football players, the "WOW" factor of outstanding college athletic facilities as Coach Dennis Francione at TAMU calls them seems to have a much greater influence of where a kid signs his letter of intent as compared to past decades. UNT has begun to add to its WOW factors with what we are now doing at those 200 acres at Eagle Point Campus and the timing for doing this could not have been any better. ******** <>*<> In fact, can anyone only imagine how even further behind we would have been in today's NCAA D1-A (especially in Texas) if we didn't have in our own athletic facility arms race arsenal what we now have out at Eagle Point? Schools who have the best football facilities can get into conferences over schools who have even gone to 4 bowl games in a row.?
I cannot answer the questions on our losses last year to #3 ranked Texas (except that UT was just that--ranked #3); or even our game with Southern Miss at the NO's Bowl. I do know USM gave the (then) #4 ranked Cal Bears a very close game a week or 2 before they caught us in the Big Easy and their game with Cal could have just as easily been a win for those Golden Eagles. If the Golden Eagles had beaten the Cal Bears, NORTH TEXAS and the SBC would have probably been hosting a ranked team in last December's New Orleans Bowl. Also, check out USM's overall football related venues compared to ours (for the moment, at least). We are now a school with an athletic facilties game plan and when we finish all venues at the 200 acre Eagle Point, there could very well be a pretty big handful of even BCS schools who we will pass in facilities, neverminding 99% of the non BCS schools of which we will do our Road Runner "Beep-Beep" routine as we pass them by leaving dust in our wake.
What I can offer as one remedy to such high profile games that NT will play in the future is just signing more quality athletes because that is the difference in any D1-A program. All NCAA D1-A college coaches here in the Lone Star State would agree that each of their own collection of football related facilities plays a most important part in signing quality classes on a regular basis AND not just a good class every 3 or 4 years.
Sadly, those schools (most of whom are in the non BCS) who don't join this escalated athletic facility arms race will find themselves sitting at home all dressed up for the Prom with no one who is interested in taking them. Some of those programs may not survive long enough to join the present athletic venues arms race if they don't begin doing such soon IMO.
IN CLOSING: NORTH TEXAS is more than just fortunate to have President Norval Pohl, Board of Regents Chairman Bobby Ray and a pro-active AD in Rick V. Many of us have been around when none of the aforementioned in their respective positions were even close to being on the same page when it came to having the same philosophies as far as having a progressive NCAA Division 1-A football program.
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OMG the background music is HORRIBLE but a good video other than that!
Probably can blame the company up in Oklahoma for the music since they produced the video. I hardly noticed the music as the visuals would have been what most of us on this board would have been more interested.
Just curious, how long did it take you to download the video?
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WAR & PEACE
Chapter 1:
Folks, this is not our Uncle George's NCAA D1-A since the SWC dissolved. The schism between the haves and have nots has grown even larger. For further proof, just check the Texas state top 100 list anymore to see how many non BCS schools are even listed besides Texas HS phenom's names. It has even changed dramatically ever since Coach Dickey and his staff had 7 or 8 off that elite state top 100 list several years ago, now hasn't it?
NT has to do its part (like in----F-A-C-I-L-I-T-I-E-S?) to try to bridge our own distance between the BCS and our present role in the non BCS. What we do on those 200 acres between those 2 Texas interstates, ie, the new Mean Green Athletic Village will determine how much we eventually close that gap, IMHO. And isn't it always money that plays the vital role in all this?
Chapter 2:
Until our NT constituency-wide donation levels reach that of the budgets of the LSU's, OU's, Texas', TAMU's etc, etc, etc, I guess a few of our most loyal will continue to stay intrigued with this "David vs. Goliath" role. This a role some non BCS schools play when they play Big Boy U and, yes, even ever once in a blue moon when one of the non BCS teams beats a Top 10 Big Boy U. Can't remember when a Top 10 school was defeated by one of our fellow non BCS schools, but wouldn't it be about (maybe) 1 out of every 500 games?
Sure we would all love to beat the LSU Tigers and our team will go to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, with that full intent, but that kind of victory would really fit moreso on the ceiling part of where we'd really like our NT athletic program to be one day. If we could compare NT Athletics to a house, then we all know darn good and well we still have much, much more foundation that just plain out needs to be laid in MG Country,ie, fundraising & donations from NT alums/fans, big time marketing (which is costly), more butts in seats which a big time marketing program would produce, etc, etc, etc.
Chapter 3:
Yet it always come back to the subject of money, now doesn't it? Such a subject that can get real personal-----like in yours and my money for starters?
Don't we all remember the story about David and Goliath? Yet, if an NT ever defeated one of the Goliaths on our football schedule, we don't conquer an entire country as the story goes in the Book, but our Mean Green players have 1 victory that a coaching staff will allow them to enjoy until Monday when a new challenge begins. And if our MG had such a huge Top 10 win, they still have to come back to Denton and co-exist in whatever environment our alumnus donations utlimately creates for them to exist in; unlike Big Boy U who in their facility arms race have better facilites to train in and play in than some NFL teams.
Epilogue:
If you were a Mean Green football player, what kind of athletic physical plant would you want to come home to after such a victory over a Top 10 Big Boy U in front of 70-90,000 fans? So IMO, we need more concrete for our NT athletic's foundation and haven't we really had that need for decades even after we had a few high profile wins back in the day?
Just my $2.00 worth on this...
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IMO, NT will not have a QB problem this Fall as the season develops. The main problem at this point is that we will have a young QB for a conference game that just happens to be the 2'nd game of the season. Thank God above we have the best duo RB tandem in all of NCAA D-1A football according to one of the pre-season college football magazines because I think they will be carrying this team most of the season as it is; although, I think we will have the usual DD passing game with about 15-20 passes per game--just enough to keep 9 men off the defensive line trying to stop our all star running backs Sir Patrick Cobbs and Super JaMo Thomas
Weren't we all impressed the last time we lost a starting QB at the beginning of a season and a red-shirt frosh QB took over our team? Didn't our coaches handle that situation almost flawlessly? The great Andrew Smith as most know was that QB and was field general in NT's only bowl game win in our history and that (only) against the CUSA football champion.
I am duly impressed that one of our recruits from last winter, ie, Cedar Park QB Korey Washington made the Austin American-Statemen's 1'st team QB on its All Cen-Tex team because there is some very nice talent in that heavily populated part of the Lone Star State.
The QB position at NT may very well turn into one of our strengths as the season develops.
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We give MTSU way too much credit... what have they done since they have been in the 'Belt? Their coach is terrible and will probably get fired after this season.
If they don't beat NT on September 10'th, I'm not sure their Coach Andy Mac will make it to the end of the season and who knows, maybe not even half way thru the season because another NT loss would so demoralize their football program I think he would lose his team.
I do hope this game is televised (and why wouldn't it?) even if they have to move it to a Thursday.
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That baseball stadium looks like ass.
The owner of the Denton Outlaws said he wants to build a baseball stadum at Eagle Point that blends with the rest of all the other venues that will eventually be at the Mean Green Athletic Village. He and Van Poppel are out raising money last I read and IMO they won't build a stadium until they get enough funds to build a first class collegiate-type baseball facility.
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nt vs smu 11:00 at denton ryan high
nt vs tvjc 2:00
nt vs baylor 3:00
Results of today's 7 on 7 ?
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18 starters returning from a team that sucked to begin with. No problem
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I like how some folks here act as if two running backs are going to save their team in every game. What other strengths do you have, and do you even have a defense, 'cause I'm not hearing anything about it. If you're going to "blow us out" what are you bringing? You underestimate us just because it's popular in the Belt to demean us because we're in the WAC which seems to harvest some sort of jealousy.
When you have the best running back tandem in NCAA D1-A (according to one of the pre season college football magazines) do you exactly have to have much else than an offensive line who can block for them?
We have arguably one of the 2 or 3 best receivers in the history of the NT football program with Johnny Quinn (4.4 forty) who is an ESPN Sports Center delight (he made their highlights couple or more times last Fall) and I'd put a Texas-style chicken fried steak up against some fine Louisiana Cajun cuisine that NT will have a starting QB who will effectively be able to get the ball to him by the time we arrive in Ruston on October 22'nd.
We have a defense that I believe will have developed, jelled and be pretty salty by the time we arrive in the your part of Louisiana. In fact, we have some young players who IMO and from those who have observed them closely have a chance to really make a very postive mark before they leave Mean Green Country.
NT jealous of anyone in the WAC? We felt sorry for those schools who left the SBC for the WAC and if memory serves me correct, I believe overtures were made to NT by WAC Commish' Karl Benson and he was headed off at the pass on those overtures by our administration before he could explain why.
The WAC has 2 or 3 fine schools at the top (with all 3 having entertained the idea of leaving the WAC in recent days) and one of those schools is Boise State. Well.......NORTH TEXAS beat the Broncos 3 out of the last 4 times we played them according to an NT football meida guide I just checked. NT also has a 2 & 0 record against the Fresno State Bulldogs. So even at the top of the WAC are a bunch of schools that NT has effectively competed with in the past so we are hardly what you could call, uh, thunderstruck?. Heck! Even Howard Schnellenberger's FAU team (from the, uh.......Sun Belt) beat the Universtiy of Hawaii Bows last year.
The SBC is to NORTH TEXAS as the MAC was to Marshall U and I'd think most of us would agree that their consistent successes in their former league has caused good things to happen for their progarm (no matter what schools were in the MAC, right)?
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I'm assuming that you're referring to this video:
New North Texas Stadium and Mean Green Athletic Village
and to these illustrations:
Facilities Under Construction and Planned Facilities
Follow the Wedesday updates on the Mean Green Athletics Site to keep up with construction updates on all the new facilities.
Wednesday Facility Construction Updates
This site has additional links to planned facilities:
Mean Green Athletics Facilities
and I had to throw in these drawings of the North Texas Ballpark slated for completion this upcoming spring.
Bump
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The same could be said about Ft Worth -- the drive is not that far and TCU is definately not making any effort to get local attendance - ie last years increase in tickets both season and individual. UNT could and IMO could draw a large crowd from Ft Worth of both alumni and non-alumni with the right marketing.
Sorry, bison, but I have to disagree with you about TCU because that school of all the ex SWC schools in the non BCS are drawing the most fans averaging over 30K for most home games. Living in the FW area, I've observed fairly close what the Frogs have been doing. We just need to get our NT Exes in Tarrant County and Fort Worth out to Fouts Field. If we cannot afford to mass market Denton due to our budget limitations, I'm sure marketing FW would be out of the question.
BUT.......North Texas has to only go out and reach its own of which most are within 45 minutes from Fouts Field.
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Our NT constituency and Greater Denton numbers:
NT Enrollment: approx. 32,000
NT Employees: approx. 4-6,000 (a local gold mine if we start digging)
NT D-FW Exes : approx 100,000
City of Denton: approx. 100,000
Denton County:approx. 500,000 (includes Denton's 100K)
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All we need (at present) is "only" 30,500 from the above numbers. Doesn't seem like it should be as difficult as we seem to be making it at times.
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One magazine has La Tech picked to finish (6'th) behind New Mexico State who hasn't beaten NT since Nixon was probably president.
I just don't think they have an answer for our Dynamic Duo running backs at NT. Colorado didn't for just one of those running backs, but NT will find numerous ways to score against La Tech (compared to CU).
Darrell Dickey's reloading with quality players who will be just fine for our 2 OOC foes and the Sun Belt. Yes, some of our re-loads will be inexperienced in September, but they will not be by the time we get to Ruston this October.
NORTH TEXAS 42
Louisiana Tech 17
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The privacy issue is tied into the Buckley Ammendment, which protects the student athletes. This law was basically unheard of until Texas basketball coach Tom Penders released the grades of Luke Axtell about 8 years ago in a huge stink that got him fired. Now, Athletic Departments don't release much info at all without permission, INCLUDING INJURIES. They aren't allowed to do it. Sorry to tell you guys this.....but you aren't entitled to get any official word from them on almost anything.
I've read on another collegiate message board's bylaws of being a poster and one of those bylaws was for its posters to not (under any circumstances) discuss the injury of its football/basketball, etc, student/athletes during the season.
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For close to 50 years Denton has shown it doesn't give a rat's a__ about UNT FB why should now be any different??
Come on, Jim, we've obviously seen much of the bad and ugly up there, but what gives us a chance IMHO to see the good is the new population who don't know any better than to support their home town's ONLY college football team. NT officials needs to quit going back to the same well to get the same kick in the ass from the same people I believe you are referring to DG.
We need to go after the new demographic of Denton (County) by going to all the areas where all the Texas and non-Texas transplants are moving to. Denton's Robson City with all those thousands of retired people who have nice retirements would not be a bad place to start. How about "AARP Night @ Fouts Field?"
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I'm assuming that you're referring to this video:
New North Texas Stadium and Mean Green Athletic Village
and to these illustrations:
Facilities Under Construction and Planned Facilities
Follow the Wedesday updates on the Mean Green Athletics Site to keep up with construction updates on all the new facilities.
Wednesday Facility Construction Updates
This site has additional links to planned facilities:
Mean Green Athletics Facilities
and I had to throw in these drawings of the North Texas Ballpark slated for completion this upcoming spring.
ADLER, without getting as melo-dramatic as usual, I am more than just a bit over-whelmed with these renderings of what our new baseball stadium will be close to looking like. Man oh man oh man !
If this doesn't cause more of our good NT alums and fans to want to invest in this program, I just don't know what its going to take. All that NT has going on at its 200 acre Mean Green Athletic Village (between the 2 Texas interstates) just staggers the mind and is making some of us older nestors dizzy with Eaglish' euphoria! LOL!
SUMG, I think the company up in Tulsa(?) who produced the virtual video tour had it on their website for (obvious) public consumption, but if NT Athletics did (in deed ) asked Harry or Cerebus to be remove it, then removing it was the right thing to do.
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Keep hoping there will be an update of this virtual video tour by the company in Oklahoma that produced it; especially since we now have completed facilities out at our Eagle Point Campus and with the new tennis complex now under construction.
Who knows, there may be "one" who sees this virtual video tour for the very first time who may want to ($ignificantly) help with the cause (or knows $omeone else who could).
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It is Friday night here in Montreal.
Does anyone know which team Don McGee plays for?
TSN sports centre is coming on soon. Enlighten me.
btholsu
Scott Campbell! Where the heck you been?
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Done.
I got my season tickets, Mean Green Club membership, away tickets to LSU and MTSU and the F5's Junior Mean Green Club membership ordered.
Are there any bus trips planned?
Rick
We do have a nice base of Mean Green fans out here in the former Commanche/Kiowa Country better known as Parker County, Texas, and that's for darn sure. Start at the top of that list with Jerry's Cheverlet's own Jerry Durant (we will forgive his son for going purple and white on us, though).
Dallas Green supports NT Exes by buying most all his automobiles from Weatherford's own and NT grad Jerry Durant. I will soon be looking to do the same.
But way to go fellow Parker County-ite and one of our very best fans of all time----- The FireFightin'Rick McKinney! You know, its not easy for you all with young kids to do this all the time but you who do join have all the admiration from the rest of us older nestors.
Go Parker County Mean Greeners!
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That would actually take someone doing their job.
Still haven't seen the Outland Trophy watch list announced on the MeanGreenSports.com website.
The quote in small green letters at the bottom of all GreenBat posts is one of my favorite all time quotes that has come from the mouth of the head football coach of the University of North Texas BECAUSE.......Coach Dickey's quote makes me think we will build a football stadium sooner than most seem to think.
DRC article..1st part already posted, balance
in Mean Green Football
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Of course, this was to be the great Andrew Smith's year to start at QB before his tragic loss.
IMO, Meager will get the start because he's been in the system a year; but rest assured Coaches Dickey and Ramon Flanagan will be grooming a back-up QB (or 2) who will get many, many snaps during August two-a-days.
I wonder if any of these young QB's are involved in the 7 on 7 summer schedule in Denton?