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GAME TIME!
I also love the way he has the "N T"!
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Thanks for the link, Harry.
If you younger alums could only sit down with Abner Haynes and hear him tell stories about when NT took a train down to play the University of Houston, you would really appreciate who Ronnie Shanklin used to fondly call, Father Time, all the things Abner and Leon King had to put up with as integrating trailblazers at the University of North Texas.
I only wish the Texas Sports Hall of Fame officials could only sit down and listen to Abner Haynes tell his story and then (to quote Spike Lee) "do the right thing."
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You who link please find Bobby Ray Sanders column today.
He writes about the NT Trailblazers which are some of NT's African Amercan alums and the trails of integration they blazed back in the mid 1950's and 1960's. He writes about Abner Haynes, Leon King, Mean Joe Green and the significant part they all played in integrating NT.
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Dammmmmmmnnn.... talk about getting lit up!
Makes some good points about the WAC tho, without the top two teams, they have nothing that half the belt cant compete with
I wonder if NT had spent another 5 years in the Big West (had it remained intact) where our program would be today?
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So I will go back to the original question - is your team better off now then it was 5 years ago? I know that I think of Tech in a different way. It is really kind of sad. Now realize that the positives of the WAC have just left (SMU, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP) - and you are now back in the Big West.
Seems like a national politician asked the "were you better off" type of question years ago.
You're in the zone and hittin' 3 pointers, stebo. Good post!
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I officially give DD permission to completely ignore the LSU game - treat it as a scrimmage and act like that team is the Raiders. We don't have time to prepare for both, so we start off Fall preparing for MTSU - play our canned hunt game in Baton Rouge for the check and stay healthy - so that we can watch their film against Bama and beat them down like little bitches.
I second the motion on that, stebo. That is a good game plan for the LSU game.
Give all our newbies (RS frosh and transfers) some experience in
PS: Any takers that MUTS does the same for us?
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most of it's going to be used as greenspace
You mean like for the now famous Denia ducks to waddle around and crap on?
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Making sure that tailgating does not get affected in any negative way and is only improved on the other side of the road is really important. RV hookups like A&M is putting in at all their venues is another.
NT is only using 200 acres of what was our NT Golf Course for the Mean Green Athletic Village. That golf course had well over 400 total acres as I recall reading somewhere, so I guess my question is:
What is NT going to do with the rest of all that extra acreage out at our Eagle Point Campus?
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(1) ["although I agree that Middle will defeat UNT this year. Just too many holes to fill and unknown factors at QB for UNT to deal with by the second game of the year. "]...posted by pUNT
(2) I just dont see it. If I had to pick an in-conference loss, it would be ULM.
(1) Last time our QB situation was even more unsettled, we went to a bowl game and beat the CUSA champion with a freshman QB, ie, the great Andrew Smith.
(2). ULM is back in our House again this season. Don't we always like our chances in our House? Of course, there have been a few exceptions thru the years, but we do win most of our games at Fouts Field.
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Our attendance will take care of itself with:
1 Continued hard work by the AD and his staff and the backing of the Adminsitration and the board.
2. Geographically blessed and a new stadium that all conferences (and someday the Big 14) can't
pass us up.
3. The continued growth of the metroplex that is moving to the North of Dallas and FW as we breathe.
Soon, and not soon enough for us, the smu's and tcu's will not be able to keep up because of rising
costs and will settle into the middle level conferences. You just can't compete for the long haul if
you are a private institution with 8 or 9,000 students. NT's greatest years are ahead of us. Lot's
of Universities can't say that. Those have had their years in the sun in the 40"s and 50's.
The Mean Green locomotive is coming down the track, and although some would like to derail it,
they may get run over!
You be preachin' to the MG choir, sir.
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One of the things coming from the media that I have always found to be funny goes something like this many times:
"And last seasons 3 & 8 Aspiring State U team returns everyone from that 3 & 8 team for this next Fall's campaign.
I know MT won more than 3 last year, but who is to say that they don't keep getting the same results from the same players who gave them a sub .500 season last Fall?
Always the missing ingrediant in all this is how the SBC recruiting gurus "NEVER" quite have a handle on the Texas and Oklahoma recruiting Darrell Dickey and staff seem to have success with once they get them off the recruiting experts paper polls onto the field of battle.
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Reading that reminds me of how much I hate the Marshall fans on that board. Herdzone and ccs-whatever are two of the biggest jerks to ever obtain internet access. Between them and Lynndie England, my opinion of West Virginians is falling fast.
Also, I like how the guy on the LaTech board does a travel cost comparison between ULL and LT, on a year when ULL went to NMSU and Idaho. Those two are now on the LT schedule and off ULL's. Not to mention that LT didn't go to Hawaii that year. He really cherry-picked those numbers to make a point.
HerdZoned did post on the Georgia Southern board a fairly positive (for him) post about NT of which he included a rendering of our new football stadium. It was an uncharacterstically positive post about NT from ol' HZ, in fact.
He did go on to say that our facilities were not ready for that of a school that coveted CUSA membership; but to a great extent that is the truth, too.
NT can ill afford to not have all our facilities in place for the next go-around of non BCS conference musical chairs. That would not help the psyche of our NT fan base whatsoever and might possibly have the same effect as 13 years of NCAA D1-AA did on many of our alums back in that day and even still has with our program today to an exent.
Just think about it, though, why would a school that has had 1 winning season in 2 decades receive membership in CUSA over one that has been to several bowls and has some nationally recognized momentum going on as a football program? One word......F-A-C-I-L-I-T-I-E-S. (In all fairness to NT, if we had singularly been competing for one spot in CUSA vs SMU, we would have had a much better chance to get in, but as we all know, the Stangs' got invited to CUSA as part of a consortium of schools which dramatically helped their cause in gettting in. SMU's Gerald J. Ford stadium played a rather large part, too.
HATE TO SAY THIS BUT............that same CUSA private school consortium is the very thing that makes me think CUSA membership for NT in the future will never become a reality. We need to transcend and do a Road-Runner "beep beep" with every CUSA Texas member and we can do this with what we have going on on those 200 acres between Denton's 2 interstates. Florida State did this in the 70's when they started to build their program to surpass the 2 conferences that always stiffed them most of the time in that era, ie, the SEC and ACC.
What could be the the most hillarious and ironic part of all this for NT is if the Sun Belt Conference dramatically grows and succeeds in the next 5-10 years as to have us thinking: Why'd we ever entertain the idea of leaving the 'Belt in the first place?
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The ones on the La Tech board who know how the cow eats the cabbage with all this WAC business are the ones who are fairly silent on their board on that subject. If they post their concerns, they get accused of being negative and listening to all those 'Belt folks when they offer a dose of the truth to their fellow alums.
What a school is able to do with its facilities is a pretty darn good barometer of the shape of any school's present athletic situation and its future. NT is catching up for years of neglect for ours thank goodness. The timing of doing all this in Mean Green Country could not have been any better.
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Margie's watching bulls_it on TV, and so here I am, in front of my computer. My latest thoughts:
1. Mostly blank.
2. TCU fans are delusional. It's their heritage!
3. Joey Byerly better pass summer school.
4. If we beat LSU, I'll wear hair extensions and dye them green!
5. If we win any OOC game, I'll draw a mustache on Margie while she's asleep using a permanent black marker.
6. Malone Stadium is the largest outhouse in Louisiana.
7. It's time for my medicine...your's too, Plum!
Already had mine, but it may not be working as effectively as yours seems to be, GGII!
Rick, have you personally witnessed the power of posting a poll yet? You would be surprised the warm, fuzzy, feel good feeling you get from doing so. You know, kinda' like a tall glass of prune juice?
GMG!
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C'mon Joey please take care of bidness. We need ya hoss! Anyone heard how his Summer School is going?
The National Privacy Act will probably keep us from knowing about J. Byerly's grades unless he, a family member or someone from NT Athletics post on this board for us to "Think Meager."
Yet we all hope Joey gets his grades first for himself, secondly for NT.
PEACEFUL, EASY FEELING: With the way our NT coaches handled the great Andrew Smith (then a frosh) after Scottie Hall went down at DKR Memorial Stadium in Austin, I am just not worried about who the Mean Green QB is because of the offense that Coach Dickey runs at NORTH TEXAS.
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THERE USED TO BE A BOW SHAPE AT FOUTS TO HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE. THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED WHICH SHOULD HELP THE SIGHTLINES, ESPECIALLY DOWN LOW.
I think the old-timers used to call that the crown of a football field.
And Harry:
WILL ALL THIS IN SOME MAGICAL WAY BRING US 40 YARDS CLOSER TO THE ACTION?
build it (before some of us go blind straining our eyes at Fouts)!
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Went to freshman orientation with my Junior to be daughter and RV did a great job back then. With this president and athletic director, NT has a great chance to really continue the progress of the last several years. Tailgating is great now and I agree that these years of students have a better chance of supporting North Texas than any of those other groups of students from the past. These students really have developed more pride to take with them. Gaining many more students than we have is not as important as slow growth and better pride and involvement of those we have. The facilities and campus have improved so much from the 70's that this really is becoming a place to show off and be proud of.
If GMG.com had a "thumbs up" icon that is exactly what I would be putting as a single icon response to the aforementioned post.
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Anyone remember the little Texas greasy spoon diner several blocks south of the courthouse square called "Tom & Joe's?"
I loved going there to eat their hamburger and fries and just shoot the bull with the locals. Read a few years ago that that was also a favorite eating spot for one of Denton's favorite daughters, the great Phyliss George.
Last time I drove by where it should have been--it wasn't there.
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Arent there like 100,000 or so NT alumns in the DFW area?
If that is the case, seems to me you would have a bigger population number to work with (I imagine the number would be significantly larger if you added in their families, etc)
That is a much higher potential market than the student body of 30,000.
Now, which is "easiest" to actually reach given the fact students get in for FREE, Im not sure...
Doesnt seem like too much to ask to get 25k+ to each game with those numbers but we havent done it consistently yet!
Any way to know what the attendance break down is? Students vs paid admissions?
Once we get the right formula, ie, a very pro-active and out in the community marketing program (just like the above photo shows) to solve this attendance thing (and I think we will) there is nothing that can stop this program especially when all the new venues at the Mean Green Athletic Village are completely finished.
I say it about this time every year when this attendance subject comes up, but TCU had a very pro-active "TCU: My Home Team" type campaign that really included a very large cross-section of community and Tarrant County leaders and they are now in the 30's per game average attendance most years. I just have to think that that community focus had much to do with the Frog's success.
You know, though, if 50,000 fans will sit in heat and humidity at a Texas Ranger game yesterday even with all the bad publicity they've gotten lately, I just have to think NT can put over 30,000 fans for any home game no matter who we play. We need to (as meanrob posted) increase the season ticket base and just go "lights out" for new fans and we can do all that in Denton County (population, over 500,000 citizens). And then any NT Exes we get from outside Denton County can be the icing on the cake at our football stadium's turnstiles.
Solving the attendance situation at NORTH TEXAS should be our next new frontier in Denton as we seemed to have conquered making it to bowl games.
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As far as game attendance numbers.... I think RV has done and is doing an excellent job generating excitement for the games. Our attendance numbers will increase because Freshmen O, Eagle Camp, and other organizations are instilling NT spirit early. Even though overall student enrollment may not increase, I predict a fairly significant increase in game attendance, especially among freshmen and sophomores.
Totally agree, untgirl04...
Our future attendance growth at Fouts will be with all those who were students (and future NT Exes) who have been part of this great 5 year run of winning Mean Green football at the University of North Texas.
I just wish we could put a hot shot up against the alums from the 1970's (my group), 1980's and 1990's--these are the NT Exes who are holding us back at the turnstiles BUT.............
.............I think the novelty and excitement of our future new state-of-the-art college football stadium at Eagle Point Campus will even bring some of that group back to campus (if for no other reason than to satisfy all their personal curiosities as to ask this question: "What in the wide world of sports is a-goin' on at my alma mater?!?!" I then feel many from that group will come check it out and stick around once they see.
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Super photo of Rick V mixing with the masses...
I just wish everyone else in his department and other departments on our campus had his evangelical zeal because that is just what its going to take to put dramatically more new faces & new fans into venerable Fouts Field.
With our location and growing NT constituency, we don't need to stay log-jammed where we presently are at the turnstiles and we won't in due time.
Fellow Greenbackers, there is going to be day when having a crowd under 30,000 will disappoints all of us, but we have a ways to go before we get there.
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PS: Wonder what they project our 2005 Fall Freshmen class to be? Our entire 2005 Fall enrollment?
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IMHO, I think the Sun Belt grows to a healthy state in the next 10 years and this will happen when the 2 Florida schools get all their programs on track. Our SBC geographical footprint is not a bad footprint at all and in the next 2 years I feel SBC Commish' Wright Waters lines up the 'Belt with its 2'nd bowl game probably somewhere in the Sunshine State.
BUT if all bets were off on what I truly think will eventually happen in the SBC...........my choice would be the Mountain West Conference. I don't think we would mesh well with a league that has too many private universities in them. Truth be known, where too many private schools gather as members in one specific conference, instability most always seems to follow.
I do agree with ADLER inasmuch as we need to get all our facilities up to par with our new football stadium as the shining buckle on that rolling Texas prairie located between I35-E and I35-W, then we have bargaining power because of that AND our location.
LOCATION? Do most of you realize that any Big Boy U program can fly charter into Alliance Airport just 15 minutes from Denton, Texas, America? Flying into Alliance, a visiting football team can get to our campus faster than they can TCU's.
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Please explain your choice if you wish to leave the Sun Belt in 10 years (or whatever time-line) OR if you think NT should stay in the SBC and watch it grow.
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maybe......but all i care about is the scoreboard
I think most of us Texans and Metroplexers would pull for the Frogs vs OU. I am not sure we compete with TCU that much for their recruits and the same with SMU for that matter; although the Frogs did pick up the big lineman from McKinney who was giving us serious consideration toward the end.
TCU caught a little flack from fellow CUSA'ers for dumping them for the MWC, but in the non-BCS sometimes I think you just have to do things that could be considered a gamble from time to time.
Would NT turn down a MWC invite? Case closed.
MUTS will defeat NT this season
in Mean Green Football
Posted · Edited by PlummMeanGreen
I don't think anyone is saying we lay down and dog it, ipEagle, lets just focus on the 2'nd game of the season which only happens to be our SBC opener (on the road). The MUTS game has national ramifications for our program (not that the LSU game wouldn't), but the down the road ramifications for NT would be another nationally televised bowl game appearance at a time of year recruits really start getting serious about their future collegiate homes. It would be our 2'nd nationally televised game for the 2005 season if we get back to the Big Easy.
This funky SBC schedule was put together by the SBC office in their (not so subtle) attempt to dethrone NT from being this December's New Orelans Bowl host. Let's hope it simply backfires in their face.